List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[billings2paddy]

Footywire has both Dodson and Wilson already signed for 2026

Both need to be extended along with windy

 

[thekizzler]

VFL form is not an indication of AFL readiness. Have seen so many dominate at VFL and struggle at AFL.
From the moment I saw Dodson at preseason you could tell he was a footballer, with tremendous skill, poise, and footy IQ. Quite simply an absolute steal at 52.
It's his first of a two year contract as a draftee, normally they extend in their second.
I would suggest you don't worry too much in 2025. Come bye time 2026 and he hadn't extended, maybe get concerned then. This panicked is a tad premature in my view.

Hang on a minute, mate.

Are you trying to tell me that Ben Paton isn't a gun? But he has had 30 possessions four times this season and 20-plus a further seven times.

Also, Jacob Koschitzke is a weapon. Few weeks back against, kicked 4 goals, had 26 possessions, 8 clearances, 25 hitouts?

Looks way better than TDK.

You're a liar - guns everywhere in the VFL.

 

[Diehard Saint]

This is such hyperbole.

Most AFL players are thinking to themselves "of course De Koning's going to St Kilda- how could he turn that down?"

Carlton has an average coach and few good young players. If you can almost double your salary somewhere else, why not?

It's hardly a game changer for St Kilda.

Nothing changes. St Kilda will only be a destination club when currently - or imminently- in flag contention. We aren't like Collingwood where we have other selling points.

If you think Tom De Koning changes that more than a tiny fraction, you're delusional sorry mate.

Of course it’s a game changer.
Yes, Tdk most likely is coming for the bucks.
Nevertheless, he improves the team. We do better. Suddenly players come because we’re a team on the rise and a much more attractive proposition
We have to start somewhere.
And as noted many times previously, the small team we are, we have to pay big to tempt players. For now.

 

[akaifu]

This could be a talking point...

 

[PJays]

And as noted many times previously, the small team we are, we have to pay big to tempt players. For now.

Or we just take the rational, conservative approach that has been proven a multitude of times in sports with more free agency than AFL. Not to mention AFL itself.

That is, spend your money wisely.

Focus on developing and retaining those you have.

I can't think of any sporting examples where teams bring in someone who isn't already a superstar, make them the highest paid player in the league, and go on to have huge success.

Except maybe Tom Boyd at the Bulldogs.

 

[stfan]

There was a story online (sorry in Europe at the moment so not 100% on timelines) that was pretty strong on Enright being the anointed successor to RTB when he's ready to move one, and flagged that people has assumed it would be Harvey. Perhaps it's related?

Harvey is not Head Coach material.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Still pining for your little hairy Greek Mussolini are you sweetheart?

Don’t care which gimp is running it, just some standards would be nice. You retired yet? Put your hand up

 

[Hubnester]

Remember when the threads had consistent titles and effort went into posting them at 12:01am on game day?

I remember, it was up until the start of the year when the post scheduler was removed. It was so easy to plan days or weeks ahead. Now it's just a matter of 'someone will post when they can'

 

[billings2paddy]

Of course it’s a game changer.
Yes, Tdk most likely is coming for the bucks.
Nevertheless, he improves the team. We do better. Suddenly players come because we’re a team on the rise and a much more attractive proposition
We have to start somewhere.
And as noted many times previously, the small team we are, we have to pay big to tempt players. For now.

Problem is with the money we spend on a ruck making him the second highest paid in AFL history will we have the ability to retain and attract when we dont have the cap

 

[stavro#4]

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Where does this leave Keeler?

I thought he showed real potential in both forward and defence. 21 years old, right in the steep improvement window.

Ruck he lacked strength and craft, but that could be developed.

Everyone keeps raving about Dodson's potential. He had 35 hit-outs and 3 goals in a VFL game recently, and he just turned 19.

My worry is in 2 or 3 years time, we'll have Moneybags De Koning and King taking up all the coin. And Dodson and Keeler will leave for better opportunities elsewhere. Because we won't have the cap space to pay another quality tall.

Meanwhile, David King calls this "crazy" in light of potential throw-in rule change:

So many exaggerations & embellishments that I don’t know where to start.

 

[ThomasR]

This could be a talking point...

what's he worth in a trade? must be on some decent coin for a sub

 

[PJays]

Problem is with the money we spend on a ruck making him the second highest paid in AFL history will we have the ability to retain and attract when we dont have the cap

People around here think St Kilda has a perpetual cap exemption allowing them to pay anything to anyone until the year 2048.

 

[beside the seaside]

This could be a talking point...

Hardwick can talk him up but actions speak louder than words. Clearly doesn't rate him.

 

[Saints43]

This is such hyperbole.

Most AFL players are thinking to themselves "of course De Koning's going to St Kilda- how could he turn that down?"

Carlton has an average coach and few good young players. If you can almost double your salary somewhere else, why not?

It's hardly a game changer for St Kilda.

Nothing changes. St Kilda will only be a destination club when currently - or imminently- in flag contention. We aren't like Collingwood where we have other selling points.

If you think Tom De Koning changes that more than a tiny fraction, you're delusional sorry mate.

If De Koning dominates and Saints go into flag contention (which would require many other things going right!), that'll help attract players of course. But it'll have nothing to do with the mere fact "we pulled a free agent".

Haven't you got some pearls to go and clutch?

 

[stavro#4]

If Carlton and port miss out on their father sons and academies from next year…..


I think I’ll be photoshopping my face to that Randy Marsh gif.

 

[SainterinSydney]

If Carlton and port miss out on their father sons and academies from next year…..


I think I’ll photoshopping my face to that Randy Marsh gif.

Would be the most St Kilda thing to happen to Carlton lol.

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

The Port and Carlton melts would be insane.

 

[Joffaboy]

Don’t care which gimp is running it, just some standards would be nice. You retired yet? Put your hand up

If I was mod it would be a very quiet forum after most of you kents got perma's just for shitting me

 

[StFly]

 

[stavro#4]

If I was mod it would be a very quiet forum after most of you kents got perma's just for shitting me

Oh please. Chief would be so far up your ass, it would be like a daily prostate examination for you.

 

[billings2paddy]

If Carlton and port miss out on their father sons and academies from next year…..


I think I’ll be photoshopping my face to that Randy Marsh gif.

Don't we have heaps of father sons coming up?

 

[Joffaboy]

Marnus Loosebuschange is so ****ing bad how does he keep getting picked my god

Yes I agree, sack SoS, terrible list management

 

[hangdog]

SDK is probably the most game changing of any of them along with Max. It would make an obvious hole filed.

Agree. We definitely need a quality key def more than a key fwd

 

[SG34]

All the point is that we have a very promising ruck who could be A grade
Why bring in another ruck who we are making the second highest player in the league when we have other areas of concern.
If we get this decision wrong the re ifications could be absolutely disastrous

We did lack tall marking talent this year and Doogs - way back - was loathe to pinch hit as a forward. I don’t think they seriously rate Heath TBH.