List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[mpal6]

I don't think Allen will get paid as much as you'd think. Definitely not Joe money.

If we pay Allen anywhere close to 800k and a long contract, AFL will do the secret herbs n spices to get Eagles pick 2.

 

[Section 5]

He's kicked 50 goals in a season bro. He is a proven KPF talent at AFL level when fit.

That's true but to be fair his next best season was just 28 goals in 21 games.
His career: 0 (but just 2 games), 20, 18, 28, 53, 20 & 4 this year.

He looked like he was going to be a very good player. One thing, Allen has been accurate 143/77.
Just a matter if he can regain his form.
If the club decide they want him that's great.
If not i am sure they will find the best they can.
I am neither for nor against Allen at this early stage of the season.

 

[martinson]

8-900k reportedly.

And as a FA Joe would command a lot more than OA.

So if Joe had seen out his contract he would've been well underpaid.

OA comes with risks but so does everybody to some degree. We need someone with a bit of class in that role , if Hipwood goes down we haven't got much in the KPF department. Morris does some very nice things but maybe his path to becoming a true KPF or even a total gun 3rd stringer could still be a way off.

I'm not totally sold on OA but there aren't any other viable options out there as far as I can tell . Coming to our club might really re energise him and I hope they do play him in defence all year because he'll see plenty of the ball and strengthen his body down there in his side and he might learn a lot more about the game as well.

 

[p4p1]

That's true but to be fair his next best season was just 28 goals in 21 games.
His career: 0 (but just 2 games), 20, 18, 28, 53, 20 & 4 this year.

He looked like he was going to be a very good player. One thing, Allen has been accurate 143/77.
Just a matter if he can regain his form.
If the club decide they want him that's great.
If not i am sure they will find the best they can.
I am neither for nor against Allen at this early stage of the season.

His 28 goals in 21 games came when Kennedy and Darling were both in the team so he was playing 3rd fiddle. The 20 last year was from 11 games. I don't see any better ready to go key forwards that are gettable for us at this moment.

 

[Sunny Land]

He's kicked 50 goals in a season bro. He is a proven KPF talent at AFL level when fit.

When fit.
There's more to it than kicking 50 goals in a season. He's missed a lot of footy through injury. Averages 1.4 goal a game right now. Has some issues that obviously effect his game in a negative way.
I just dont think he's a great fit. Would love to be proven wrong but it just doesnt feel good to me.

 

[Sunny Land]

8-900k reportedly.

Not much more than that & he would have been the highest paid player at the club.

 

[Dalions]

I don't think Allen will get paid as much as you'd think. Definitely not Joe money.

Not Joe money for next year and beyond, he was well worth a decent pay rise.

 

[Saucery]

When fit.
There's more to it than kicking 50 goals in a season. He's missed a lot of footy through injury. Averages 1.4 goal a game right now. Has some issues that obviously effect his game in a negative way.
I just dont think he's a great fit. Would love to be proven wrong but it just doesnt feel good to me.

I worry about investing salary cap space into OA, who may or may not be much better than what we already have and can't ruck to boot.

How many years contract do you think he will be after and can we match bids from the like of Hawthorne without tying up too much time and money.

The Devils are about to add a new meaning to wage inflation, and I think we are better off keeping some head room to match possible offers on our young stars.

 

[Sunny Land]

We are just giving Daniher's money to Allen.
Morris will get his own money.

Probably not an accurate comment. Being a Priemiership Team, those who have recently re-signed have done so for significantly higher $ than before. It's really a juggling act based on what the club believe's a player is worth. I trust we have the right people to make that call.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Not Joe money for next year and beyond, he was well worth a decent pay rise.

His money this year would have been redistributed and/or banked for next year

 

[mpal6]

Probably not an accurate comment. Being a Priemiership Team, those who have recently re-signed have done so for significantly higher $ than before. It's really a juggling act based on what the club believe's a player is worth. I trust we have the right people to make that call.

I was just trying to simplify the argument for others who are claiming we have to take Allen's money and we have to pay Morris. Agree it's a juggling act but at the same time it's not mutually exclusive in terms of paying Allen and Morris.

 

[briztoon]

Allen was a young KPF playing third and ruck at the start of his career, which has supposedly ****ed his knee.

He also played third banana to Kennedy & Darling.

 

[Sunny Land]

I worry about investing salary cap space into OA, who may or may not be much better than what we already have and can't ruck to boot.

How many years contract do you think he will be after and can we match bids from the like of Hawthorne without tying up too much time and money.

The Devils are about to add a new meaning to wage inflation, and I think we are better off keeping some head room to match possible offers on our young stars.

Agree with all that you say above. Further to that we currently have:

a) A team who have won 7 out of 8 thus far.
b) A forward line thats scored more than Collingwood (who are on top of the ladder.)
c) Key Forwards who have rarely been outmarked this year. (so far)
d) The game has changed where key forwards now just need to be competitive & give our small guys the opportunity of picking up the crumbs when the pill hits the ground. Our mozzie fleet up forward are pretty bloody good.

I'm not convinced we need OA or an outside Key Forward. Maybe as the year rolls on it may become the plan but right now as we look at the season thus far, our boys are doing great. OA will not come cheap. Managing what we have now & seeing how they perform this season will be a good indication.

 

[braddsey]

Agree with all that you say above. Further to that we currently have:

a) A team who have won 7 out of 8 thus far.
b) A forward line thats scored more than Collingwood (who are on top of the ladder.)
c) Key Forwards who have rarely been outmarked this year. (so far)
d) The game has changed where key forwards now just need to be competitive & give our small guys the opportunity of picking up the crumbs when the pill hits the ground. Our mozzie fleet up forward are pretty bloody good.

I'm not convinced we need OA or an outside Key Forward. Maybe as the year rolls on it may become the plan but right now as we look at the season thus far, our boys are doing great. OA will not come cheap. Managing what we have now & seeing how they perform this season will be a good indication.

If Hipwood gets injured, we're incredibly exposed. Sam Day would be leading the forward line in the "big man" stakes. He's playing his role well, crashing packs, bringing ball to ground, but has so far kicked 2 goals.
If Day gets injured, I guess it's creating an opportunity for someone to step up, but it's still not ideal (unless Henry Smith is good to go).

Current alternatives (heights from lions.com.au):

• Henry Smith (202cm, everyone's great hope, concussion concern)
• Darcy Fort (204cm ruckman, not really a forward)
• Brandon Ryan (200cm, i'm sure he's a great guy...)
• Darcy Gardner (192cm, let's be honest, he's a backman - but at least a mature body)
• Ty Gallop (194cm, has played 4 VFL games, kicked 6 goals including 4 against Collingwood)
• Luke Lloyd (193cm, ???)

I believe Sam Day was always viewed as a 1-year gap-filler while we figure out who comes next. Henry Smith needs to come on this season for any wish of not bringing in a key forward... and the question is probably still if he's coming on as a replacement for Oscar long term.

 

[martinson]

Agree with all that you say above. Further to that we currently have:

a) A team who have won 7 out of 8 thus far.
b) A forward line thats scored more than Collingwood (who are on top of the ladder.)
c) Key Forwards who have rarely been outmarked this year. (so far)
d) The game has changed where key forwards now just need to be competitive & give our small guys the opportunity of picking up the crumbs when the pill hits the ground. Our mozzie fleet up forward are pretty bloody good.

I'm not convinced we need OA or an outside Key Forward. Maybe as the year rolls on it may become the plan but right now as we look at the season thus far, our boys are doing great. OA will not come cheap. Managing what we have now & seeing how they perform this season will be a good indication.

Maybe we mightn't see how much we miss Daniher and how everything is working until later in the year when the teams have sorted themselves out and the best teams begin to emerge.

Conceivably we could be 4-3 quite easily so whilst we're not prepped up yet I don't think anything has been validated in terms of our structure . But we're going better than you could've hoped to get to 6-1.

 

[MSB ROYS]

From the Coates Talent League X account - April 27. Always good to beat Geelong!

Coates Talent League Boys - Round 4
Brisbane Lions Academy 9.12 (66) df Geelong Falcons 8.11 (59)

Coates Talent League Girls - Round 3
Brisbane Lions Academy 12.6 (78) df Geelong Falcons 3.4 (22)

 

[Denno]

Agree with all that you say above. Further to that we currently have:

a) A team who have won 7 out of 8 thus far.
b) A forward line thats scored more than Collingwood (who are on top of the ladder.)
c) Key Forwards who have rarely been outmarked this year. (so far)
d) The game has changed where key forwards now just need to be competitive & give our small guys the opportunity of picking up the crumbs when the pill hits the ground. Our mozzie fleet up forward are pretty bloody good.

I'm not convinced we need OA or an outside Key Forward. Maybe as the year rolls on it may become the plan but right now as we look at the season thus far, our boys are doing great. OA will not come cheap. Managing what we have now & seeing how they perform this season will be a good indication.

Considering we don't need to give up anything than (increasing) cap space, I think he actually does come cheap, all things considered.

Anyone else "comparable" would come at a relatively similar $$$ figure, but cost us picks or players, with the former being even more valuable now with the re-calibration of the assigned points.

With where our list is at, and hopefully a decent Academy pick every year or so that we need picks and points for, we'd be mad not to make use of the FA market.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

I don’t understand people not wanting Allen. We need another key forward, he is young enough and can without doubt play the role. It’s not like there is 10 available and we are picking the wrong one. Should be stoked he is available and he is willing to come - if that is the case.

 

[martinson]

Considering we don't need to give up anything than (increasing) cap space, I think he actually does come cheap, all things considered.

Anyone else "comparable" would come at a relatively similar $$$ figure, but cost us picks or players, with the former being even more valuable now with the re-calibration of the assigned points.

With where our list is at, and hopefully a decent Academy pick every year or so that we need picks and points for, we'd be mad not to make use of the FA market.

If we can get him back to where he was it's a no brainer.

And he's still relatively young. Fairly sure we'll have good reasons if we decide to roll the dice. Everything comes with risk.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Below from wheeloratings.
Just to see if any other player might do the job over Day and Allen
I have started with the ending of what wheeloratings have classed as a pure ruck.
The list is in average hit outs order.
The headings state totals but they are averages except for goals
Day at the top of H/O list but not when you look at other categories.

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There's nothing wrong with looking around, but remember that trying to get anyone decent who is still under contract will involve paying up in draft picks. In this draft we're trying to match a player who looks like a top 10 pick. We can do that with our draft hand, but not if we're trading out high picks for good veterans.

The only good options for us are players who are out of contract, especially free agents (the best of which is Allen), or someone being sold off cheap because their club acquired a shiny new toy (perhaps Lewis if the Hawks get Allen). Everyone else isn't worth the cost.

 

[Grasshopper17]

One thing, Allen has been accurate 143/77.

We'll fix that good and proper. Don't you worry about that!

 

[Johnny Bananas]

When fit.
There's more to it than kicking 50 goals in a season. He's missed a lot of footy through injury. Averages 1.4 goal a game right now. Has some issues that obviously effect his game in a negative way.

I remember when we signed a free agent forward who had also missed a lot of footy through injury, averaged 1.77 goals a game and had some issues that were obviously affecting his game in a negative way. It worked out pretty well. I'm willing to take a similar gamble again for a reasonable price.

Consider as well, if Allen had absolutely no knocks on him and was consistently in great form, we'd be no chance of getting him. His club would have offered him a lot of of money for a lot of years for him to stay, and if he didn't take it, they'd certainly match him and demand a huge price in a trade. It's only key forwards with some concerns who even become available to other teams (unless that team is Geelong I guess).

Agree with all that you say above. Further to that we currently have:

a) A team who have won 7 out of 8 thus far.
b) A forward line thats scored more than Collingwood (who are on top of the ladder.)
c) Key Forwards who have rarely been outmarked this year. (so far)
d) The game has changed where key forwards now just need to be competitive & give our small guys the opportunity of picking up the crumbs when the pill hits the ground. Our mozzie fleet up forward are pretty bloody good.

I'm not convinced we need OA or an outside Key Forward. Maybe as the year rolls on it may become the plan but right now as we look at the season thus far, our boys are doing great. OA will not come cheap. Managing what we have now & seeing how they perform this season will be a good indication.

Let's ask a question, would we be a better team this year with Joe rather than Day? The answer is obviously yes. Why? Joe brought lots to the table that Day doesn't, most obviously a huge goal threat. If teams didn't cover Joe well, he'd destroy them (when he kicked straight), and if they did cover him well, they'd leave holes elsewhere for others to exploit.

I think a big reason we have a better record so far this year is that our smalls have stepped up a gear, like Bailey and Ah Chee, but imagine how many more opportunities they would get if defences were distracted by another big goal threat at CHF.

 

[Elixuh]

With the cap increases since we got Joe, in relative terms, Allen will probably come at a nice price point. It may look like overpaying under the old cba. But spot on under the current one. Our club does not have a recent history of overpaying players either.

 

[Tom14]

I remember when we signed a free agent forward who had also missed a lot of footy through injury, averaged 1.77 goals a game and had some issues that were obviously affecting his game in a negative way. It worked out pretty well. I'm willing to take a similar gamble again for a reasonable price.

Consider as well, if Allen had absolutely no knocks on him and was consistently in great form, we'd be no chance of getting him. His club would have offered him a lot of of money for a lot of years for him to stay, and if he didn't take it, they'd certainly match him and demand a huge price in a trade. It's only key forwards with some concerns who even become available to other teams (unless that team is Geelong I guess).


Let's ask a question, would we be a better team this year with Joe rather than Day? The answer is obviously yes. Why? Joe brought lots to the table that Day doesn't, most obviously a huge goal threat. If teams didn't cover Joe well, he'd destroy them (when he kicked straight), and if they did cover him well, they'd leave holes elsewhere for others to exploit.

I think a big reason we have a better record so far this year is that our smalls have stepped up a gear, like Bailey and Ah Chee, but imagine how many more opportunities they would get if defences were distracted by another big goal threat at CHF.

Agree with all of the above but the biggest reason we have a better record to date this year is we've played worse opponents. We were playing as well or better last year (GWS in canberra excepted).

 

[M Malice]

Oscar Allen

12

Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

is a no brainer to bring in, we will not be overpaying him, very confident in our list management team doing the appropriate due diligence.

Left field idea.. a couple of younger key forwards that I like the look of are Jack Williams from the Eagles(OOC 2026) and Calsher Dear from the Hawks(OOC 2025). Still very bullish on our boy Ty Gallop as well, he is going to be a beast.