List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[Tricky Dicky]

Agree with all of the above but the biggest reason we have a better record to date this year is we've played worse opponents. We were playing as well or better last year (GWS in canberra excepted).

Can add Rd 6 loss to Geelong; played poorly losing 4.13 to 9,9. Rd 3 loss to Magpies (who were 0 -2 too & didn't make the 8)

2024 Blues Freo Magpies North Melb Cats Giants. Were 2 - 5
2025 Swans Eagles Cats Tigers Bulldogs Magpies Saints. Now 6 - 1

I'd say our draw so far is a factor, but not the 'biggest' reason we're winning games.

 

[dlanod]

I worry about investing salary cap space into OA, who may or may not be much better than what we already have and can't ruck to boot.

How many years contract do you think he will be after and can we match bids from the like of Hawthorne without tying up too much time and money.

The Devils are about to add a new meaning to wage inflation, and I think we are better off keeping some head room to match possible offers on our young stars.

One thing I've found about our club these days - I don't think we'll be trying to match anyone who blows us out of the water on contract terms.

We'll have a total that Allen (or any player) would be considered worth to us. We'd then sell them on the intangibles (constant finals, medical staff, lifestyle, anonymity) rather than getting into a bidding war.

We've seen plenty of players knock back massive contracts from NM and now the Saints for very similar reasons over the last decade or so.

 

[Sunny Land]

One thing I've found about our club these days - I don't think we'll be trying to match anyone who blows us out of the water on contract terms.

We'll have a total that Allen (or any player) would be considered worth to us. We'd then sell them on the intangibles (constant finals, medical staff, lifestyle, anonymity) rather than getting into a bidding war.

We've seen plenty of players knock back massive contracts from NM and now the Saints for very similar reasons over the last decade or so.

One thing you can be 100% sure of is that if he's moving clubs for $, he won't be coming to Brisbane.

 

[Sunny Land]

I remember when we signed a free agent forward who had also missed a lot of footy through injury, averaged 1.77 goals a game and had some issues that were obviously affecting his game in a negative way. It worked out pretty well. I'm willing to take a similar gamble again for a reasonable price.

Consider as well, if Allen had absolutely no knocks on him and was consistently in great form, we'd be no chance of getting him. His club would have offered him a lot of of money for a lot of years for him to stay, and if he didn't take it, they'd certainly match him and demand a huge price in a trade. It's only key forwards with some concerns who even become available to other teams (unless that team is Geelong I guess).


Let's ask a question, would we be a better team this year with Joe rather than Day? The answer is obviously yes. Why? Joe brought lots to the table that Day doesn't, most obviously a huge goal threat. If teams didn't cover Joe well, he'd destroy them (when he kicked straight), and if they did cover him well, they'd leave holes elsewhere for others to exploit.

I think a big reason we have a better record so far this year is that our smalls have stepped up a gear, like Bailey and Ah Chee, but imagine how many more opportunities they would get if defences were distracted by another big goal threat at CHF.

Kinda think the circumstances with Joe coming to Brisbane are a lot different to OA's situation.

 

[Nunez]

Kinda think the circumstances with Joe coming to Brisbane are a lot different to OA's situation.

Two guys who had a 50+ goal season followed by injuries and then find themselves desperate to leave their club and get away from the limelight.

Joe definitely has the higher ceiling, but Allen could easily go back to being a 50 goal a year forward in a mentally and physically healthy environment which our club is.

 

[Sunny Land]

Two guys who had a 50+ goal season followed by injuries and then find themselves desperate to leave their club and get away from the limelight.

Joe definitely has the higher ceiling, but Allen could easily go back to being a 50 goal a year forward in a mentally and physically healthy environment which our club is.

One of Joe's ideas of getting out of the limelight was retirement in 2021. It was a serious consideration for him. OA's situation isn't the same.
Agree that OA has the capability to be back to kicking goals. If he comes to Brisbane, lets hope he does just that.

 

[briztoon]

Two guys who had a 50+ goal season followed by injuries and then find themselves desperate to leave their club and get away from the limelight.

Joe definitely has the higher ceiling, but Allen could easily go back to being a 50 goal a year forward in a mentally and physically healthy environment which our club is.

Allen doesn’t want to leave West Coast.

But at the same time, he’s very upset with the sh!tty contract that West Coast has on the table.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

dlanod, trying to remember... Was there chatter that Jesse Hogan

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Jesse Hogan

Age

30

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.0

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.4

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

0.0

1star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

was cooked before coming to GWS?

 

[Nunez]

Allen doesn’t want to leave West Coast.

But at the same time, he’s very upset with the sh!tty contract that West Coast has on the table.

You sure about that.

 

[dlanod]

dlanod, trying to remember... Was there chatter that Jesse Hogan was cooked before coming to GWS?

Serious or tongue in cheek?

If so, the expectation was that he was washed and at best was going to be a big body to take some attention away from Cadman for a year or two while he developed. If he'd played like Day, it would've been viewed as break even to a bit of a win.

 

[Perrip]

Stay or go? Tom Morris’ call on 17 out-of-contract players

Brandon Starcevich

4

Brandon Starcevich

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

185.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

187.9

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

181.2

3star

(Brisbane): “Starcevich stays. West Coast has cooled on him a bit because of the concussion. Other clubs have looked at him, but he wants to stay at Brisbane and Brisbane like him.”
Oscar Allen

4

Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

(West Coast): “Oscar Allen

4

Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

goes to Brisbane as a free agent. I’m still very confident on that.”

 

[Johnny Bananas]

One of Joe's ideas of getting out of the limelight was retirement in 2021. It was a serious consideration for him. OA's situation isn't the same.

Of course their situations are different, they're not twins. The more relevant comaprisons are whether they're good quality players with proven ability (yes), about to hit their prime (yes), are free agents (yes), are open to moving to Brisbane (yes) and will sign for a reasonable price (signs point to this being the case for Allen). And the knocks on both of them were injuries and poor form. If we could turn that around for Joe, why not for Allen?

 

[Sunny Land]

Of course their situations are different, they're not twins. The more relevant comaprisons are whether they're good quality players with proven ability (yes), about to hit their prime (yes), are free agents (yes), are open to moving to Brisbane (yes) and will sign for a reasonable price (signs point to this being the case for Allen). And the knocks on both of them were injuries and poor form. If we could turn that around for Joe, why not for Allen?

Not twins??? Really???
I can read your comments and underestand the point you are making. Please try to reciprocate...Permanent retirement compared to moving clubs as captain....very different and important reasons to consider for a bunch of concerns.

 

[braddsey]

Not twins??? Really???
I can read your comments and underestand the point you are making. Please try to reciprocate...Permanent retirement compared to moving clubs as captain....very different and important reasons to consider for a bunch of concerns.

Maybe the easier comparison for you is Tom Lynch. He had 4 good at Gold Coast in his 4-7 year in football. Was made co-captain in his 7th year. Dropped off in his 8th year playing (as co-captain), then moved to Richmond where he was great for 4 years and won 2 premierships.

 

[Sunny Land]

Maybe the easier comparison for you is Tom Lynch. He had 4 good at Gold Coast in his 4-7 year in football. Was made co-captain in his 7th year. Dropped off in his 8th year playing (as co-captain), then moved to Richmond where he was great for 4 years and won 2 premierships.

He's a pretty good comparison & a great player when playing.
Are they twins by any chance?

 

[Darren Downunder]

He's a pretty good comparison & a great player when playing.
Are they twins by any chance?

I believe Tom Lynch’s twin played for Adelaide. He was a pretty good key forward, playing second fiddle to Tex. The biggest knock on him was that he got a lot of cheapies out the back.

 

[Dalions]

Allen doesn’t want to leave West Coast.

But at the same time, he’s very upset with the sh!tty contract that West Coast has on the table.

So you think he would stay if WC were to match our length of contract?
I am not completely sure, have things gone too far?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Not twins??? Really???

Apologies, I should have been a bit more respectful there.

I can read your comments and underestand the point you are making. Please try to reciprocate...Permanent retirement compared to moving clubs as captain....very different and important reasons to consider for a bunch of concerns.

How are they tangibly different when it comes to getting someone into good form and keeping them healthy?

 

[briztoon]

You sure about that.

Well, if they offered him the same contract we might offer, I reckon he would have stayed, but now I’m guessing all bridges have been burnt.

 

[briztoon]

So you think he would stay if WC were to match our length of contract?
I am not completely sure, have things gone too far?

I don’t believe he stays now.

I’m not sure West Coast even matches a bid if the AFL says it’s band 2 compensation.

We just do what St Kilda did when they signed Crouch from Adelaide. Say this is our offer, we’re not trading for the player if you match our offer, up to you if you accept the compensation, what ever band it is, or if you want the player back.

 

[Sunny Land]

Apologies, I should have been a bit more respectful there.


How are they tangibly different when it comes to getting someone into good form and keeping them healthy?

I think if you compare Tom Lynch like Darren Downunder has above it explains it a lot better.
As we all know, Joe Daniher is a different cat unlike any player in the AFL. Tom Lynch falls in a much more easier category.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think if you compare Tom Lynch like Darren Downunder has above it explains it a lot better.
As we all know, Joe Daniher is a different cat unlike any player in the AFL. Tom Lynch falls in a much more easier category.

So if I'm interpreting this correctly, you think Joe's issues were about his personality being different to the norm of AFL clubs, and we got a few more years out of him by creating an environment that suited him, whereas Allen and Lynch are more about form, injury and competitiveness?

 

[Nunez]

Well, if they offered him the same contract we might offer, I reckon he would have stayed, but now I’m guessing all bridges have been burnt.

I would not believe everything you read on the Eagles board my friend. Plenty are happy to share gossip and opinion as fact, when in reality it is rarely as black and white as some make it out to be.

 

[Sunny Land]

I would not believe everything you read on the Eagles board my friend. Plenty are happy to share gossip and opinion as fact, when in reality it is rarely as black and white as some make it out to be.

Where everything said on The Lions Board you can take to the bank right!!!

 

[KissKiss]

Well, if they offered him the same contract we might offer, I reckon he would have stayed, but now I’m guessing all bridges have been burnt.

I'd agree it all seems to toxic now and would be best for his health to walk away (as hard as it would be with all the history he has there).

Then again more big changes could still happen in the back end of the year to re-inspire him to stay.