Review 2025 National Draft Thread | Dovaston #16 / Thredgold #26 / Mikunda #48

[roos_fanatic08]

I know there have plenty of tears spilt over losing our 1st round pick to Richmond, but we have their 2nd rounder, which wont be too shabby considering the compromised top end of a supposedly weaker draft, yay or nay ?

The weak draft lessens the impact/stupidity but trading a top 5 pick for pick 27 (Whitlock) and a pick in the early 30's is NEVER going to be considered astute trading.

 

[Newbie Real Talk]

The weak draft lessens the impact/stupidity but trading a top 5 pick for pick 27 (Whitlock) and a pick in the early 30's is NEVER going to be considered astute trading.

I would prefer to think of it in terms of players not picks. If at the end we have 2 best 22 players (with at least one of them being key position) then it would almost be considered more win than loss with the lack of elite talent at the top of the 25 draft.

 

[Ball Dont Lie]

Prob been asked and answered a million times in the thread already but where would Whitlock range in this years draft given how weak and compromised it is?

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Prob been asked and answered a million times in the thread already but where would Whitlock range in this years draft given how weak and compromised it is?

Top 4- 8 pretty comfortably I would’ve thought. Especially with the lack of genuine key defenders in this draft.

 

[Val Keating]

Don’t know where to put this but it needs to be shared. Generational L

 

[Ball Dont Lie]

Top 4- 8 pretty comfortably I would’ve thought. Especially with the lack of genuine key defenders in this draft.

Oh wow. So then Brady is a genius? I can’t believe I just typed that.

 

[My Left Foote]

Oh wow. So then Brady is a genius? I can’t believe I just typed that.

Except the issue most of us have is that we traded pick 25 for Caleb Daniel so, in theory, had we held that pick we could have used it on Matt Whitlock and kept our F1, which is looking very much like a top 3 pick this year. Despite it being a very compromised draft I'd still prefer to take one of the top 3 talents available than have Caleb Daniel on our list for another 3 years.

 

[andana]

I'd still prefer to take one of the top 30 talents available than have Caleb Daniel on our list for another 3 years.

Ftfy

 

[joegreen]

Yeah very hard to rank them this year. Here is my best uneducated couch guess at a top 40.
First time I've really ranked them like this. I haven't taken into account what teams may pick, so I might have to edit it as a full mock draft as we go along. Twomey's mock draft and the combine testing may change the order a bit too.

1. Dyson Sharp
2. Daniel Annable (Lions)
3. Josh Lindsay
4. Willem Duursma
5. Zeke Uwland (GC)
6. Dylan Patterson (GC)
7. Oliver Greeves
8. Aidan Schubert
9. Cooper Duff-Tytler
10. Lachie Dovaston
11. Fred Rodriguez
12. Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves
13. Sam Grij
14. Beau Addinsall (GC)
15. Riley Onley
16. Samuel Cumming
17. Toby Whan (Freo)
18. Cody Curtin
19. Harley Barker
20. Mitch Marsh
21. Harry Dean (Blues)
22. Sam Swadling
23. Matthew LeRay
24. Max King (Swans)
25. Archie Ludowyke
26. Cameron Naim
27. Hunter Holmes
28. Lachlan Carmichael (Swans)
29. Jacob Farrow
30. Tom McGuane (Pies)
31. Wes Walley Jnr (WCE)
32. Noah Chamberlain (Swans)
33. Xavier Taylor
34. Blake Oudshoorn-Bennier
35. Koby Coulson (GC)
36. Louise Emmett
37. Taj Murray
38. Adam Sweid (*)
39. Taron Ah-Mu
40. Liam Heatherton

Tell me about Hunter Holmes? Is he like his brother? His brother was overlooked (albeit in the Covid Draft) and not considered a top pick but is tracking as a top 10 player in the comp.

Does he have the same speed and athletic abilities?

 

[Its a Process]

Except the issue most of us have is that we traded pick 25 for Caleb Daniel so, in theory, had we held that pick we could have used it on Matt Whitlock and kept our F1, which is looking very much like a top 3 pick this year. Despite it being a very compromised draft I'd still prefer to take one of the top 3 talents available than have Caleb Daniel on our list for another 3 years.

Not necessarily.

Whitlock went two picks earlier than the pick that was traded for Daniel so we may have missed him. If we are doing player comparisons then we may have missed Whitlock. But we can sit down in three years and weigh it all up.

In
Whitlock
Daniel
Richmond (Future 2nd)

vs
L Jacques
NM Future First

 

[My Left Foote]

Not necessarily.

Whitlock went two picks earlier than the pick that was traded for Daniel so we may have missed him. If we are doing player comparisons then we may have missed Whitlock. But we can sit down in three years and weight it all up.

In
Whitlock
Daniel
Richmond (Future 2nd)

vs
L Jacques
NM Future First

That's why i said "in theory", I'm reasonably confident that he still would have been there 2 picks later. Having said that it's all irrelevant anyway.

 

[shinboner magic]

All this talk about where would Matlock go in this draft , got me thinking about where would Daniel go in this draft

 

[Event Horizon]

The weak draft lessens the impact/stupidity but trading a top 5 pick for pick 27 (Whitlock) and a pick in the early 30's is NEVER going to be considered astute trading.

At what number would Whitlock go in this draft if he was in it?
To me, if Whitlock becomes a quality player, it's a win. People get too hung up on numbers, but it's all about players who leave their mark on the club. If this is a weak draft it's quite possible that a pick 5 this year may have gone at number 25 last year.

 

[Event Horizon]

Top 4- 8 pretty comfortably I would’ve thought. Especially with the lack of genuine key defenders in this draft.

In this case, isn't this clearly a win for us?

 

[Shinboner Supremacy]

Harry Dean is now regarded as the best Key defender in the draft due to the lack off tall key back stocks. If you rate Mlock ahead of Harry Dean then Mlock the best key defender in this years draft!

 

[chubbspeterson]

Tell me about Hunter Holmes? Is he like his brother? His brother was overlooked (albeit in the Covid Draft) and not considered a top pick but is tracking as a top 10 player in the comp.

Does he have the same speed and athletic abilities?

186cm so slightly shorter than Max I think (190cm?). He's pretty raw, similar athletic traits just to the eye.
He hasn't got a lot of ball in the champs (average 12 disposals), but would average more (20 disposals) in the Coates League.
Ball use a bit hit and miss, but his brother can make similar mistakes to be fair.
Can play inside mid or wing from what I've seen. Very much that transition running mid/wing teams are craving imo.
I've got the feeling recruiters will be more keen on him for what he might project to be in 4-5 years.

 

[koshari]

I would prefer to think of it in terms of players not picks. If at the end we have 2 best 22 players (with at least one of them being key position) then it would almost be considered more win than loss with the lack of elite talent at the top of the 25 draft.

except we didn't because we drafted Daniels.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

In this case, isn't this clearly a win for us?

It is not though - we have spent our draft capital and with the development of Comben and Dawson a key defender is now less important than a key (or legitimate) small forward.

That is the problem with going early as we did - we haven't got the benefit of looking at another 12 months development of our existing list.

We now have Matlock - a backman who can potentially go forward - and while he has shown promise we could have used our pick 3/4 on an established key forward via a trade or chosen the best young key forward in the country.

 

[Passmore]

In this case, isn't this clearly a win for us?

It's hardly the disaster that it's being made out to be.

Maybe a bit of FOMO on draft night excitement, being teased by Richmond supporters. Dunno.

 

[ferball]

Tell me about Hunter Holmes? Is he like his brother? His brother was overlooked (albeit in the Covid Draft) and not considered a top pick but is tracking as a top 10 player in the comp.

Does he have the same speed and athletic abilities?

He went pick 20 in that draft, with Geelong's first pick. We overlooked him twice, * three times.

 

[Onihr]

Two of the more damaging players in this years draft class. Barker I've spoke about before, but Farrow is a fantastic half back who has good balance between his defensive and offensive game.





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I know it’s a veerrrrrrryyyyyy limited basis to judge from, but W Dursma doesn’t smash it in the Barker video. A couple of lazy kicks / turnovers, and no intensity or real chase when in frame. I’m sure he’s highly skilled and there’s good reason he’s being discussed as being likely top 10, but those snippets were weirdly familiar and didn’t inspire confidence from these cheap seats.

 

[The Dingrel]

Prob been asked and answered a million times in the thread already but where would Whitlock range in this years draft given how weak and compromised it is?

Clearly #1.

No ifs buts or maybes.

 

[The Dingrel]

Except the issue most of us have is that we traded pick 25 for Caleb Daniel so, in theory, had we held that pick we could have used it on Matt Whitlock and kept our F1, which is looking very much like a top 3 pick this year. Despite it being a very compromised draft I'd still prefer to take one of the top 3 talents available than have Caleb Daniel on our list for another 3 years.

I feel better now..... we could have got Whitlock for 25, so we gave up a F1 (probably #3) for Caleb Daniel. Dogs must feel aggrieved they only got 25 and his salary off the books, left plenty on the table there.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I know it’s a veerrrrrrryyyyyy limited basis to judge from, but W Dursma doesn’t smash it in the Barker video. A couple of lazy kicks / turnovers, and no intensity or real chase when in frame. I’m sure he’s highly skilled and there’s good reason he’s being discussed as being likely top 10, but those snippets were weirdly familiar and didn’t inspire confidence from these cheap seats.

He has zero intensity mate. Like Zane, I think he just cruises along with his god given talent. Being even skinnier than Zane I reckon he’ll be a very very slow burn.

 

[The Dingrel]

Just start winning and the good players will come.

Agree we definitely find it hard to get them, but that's partly because we've been a basketcase for a decade. How did we get Higgins? And going back, how did we get Colbert? Grant? Weren't we still a unpopular club back then?

Dunno about unpopular, successful yes, lost Cam Mooney and Schwass in those.