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[Bedi]

I still fail to believe that if (hypothetical) the roles were reversed and Oscar lost a P2 he had earnt for 90% of the race on a bad pitstop and Lando didn't let him by that posters on this board would think that was the right call.

No chance in hell would this have changed my opinion. It was an utterly ridiculous call regardless of the drivers.

 

[gaskin]

The fact that it is being clowned on from everyone other than the Sky fan boys should tell you everything you need to know about how ridiculous the decision was.

 

[ptrg]

So, given every single topical and controversial radio call comes out within the 24 hour period post race, has there been any sightings of this elusive “Lando said pit Oscar first to protect him from Leclerc” that Brundle and Co all claimed hearing (but not being on any telecast)?

I’ve looked everywhere and can’t find audio nor a direct quote of a RT…

 

[ptrg]

Found it!

Only mention of Lecerc was by Landos engineer... on lap THIRTY FOUR.

Alap confirms Lando wanted to stay out as long as possible in the hope of a late safety car once Max had pitted.

So completely opposite to what Sky claimed (and a few nongs on hear "heard")

Full McLaren radio transcripts
Lap 34

Will Joseph (WJ): Leclerc is the car behind Oscar. He’s just pitted now for a hard tyre. This does not change what we’re doing.

Lap 36

WJ: And Lando, what are your thoughts on the soft tyre?

Lando Norris (LN): Well, I guess the opposite to the car ahead (Max Verstappen)

WJ: Check right-hand toggle

LN: Yeah, I got dirty air already from the car ahead.

Lap 38

WJ: Verstappen has pitted for the hard tyre. We keep going for Safety Cars.

LN: Yeah, I need blue flags.

WJ: You need to get closer.

Lap 45

WJ: And Lando, the gap to Verstappen is now 11.1. Lando, we will box this lap onto the soft tyre and come up one [on the front wing].

LN: Did you want to box the other car first?

WJ: Yep, we’ll do that. We’ll swap it around so stay out.

LN: Well, only if he doesn’t undercut, otherwise I’ll box first.

WJ: There will be no undercut. Confirming we are staying out

LN: Yeah, confirm.

Revealed: Full Lando Norris-Oscar Piastri radio transcript in McLaren team order drama

Read the full team radio transcripts between McLaren and drivers Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri during the Italian Grand Prix.

racingnews365.com

 

[ABAB]

I still fail to believe that if (hypothetical) the roles were reversed and Oscar lost a P2 he had earnt for 90% of the race on a bad pitstop and Lando didn't let him by that posters on this board would think that was the right call.

And go from 31 to 37 points behind??? I highly doubt that.......slow pitstop are part of racing like Max said

 

[DrZaius]

It means that the takes in here are emotional and not worth listening to for the most part imo.

Like most of the race threads these days sadly.

Of course there are emotional takes in this thread. There are also many reasonable takes that you ignore because you're too busy complaining about the former.

 

[Forward Press]

It means that the takes in here are emotional and not worth listening to for the most part imo.

Like most of the race threads these days sadly.

The days of F1 race day threads being about 20 posts in total for the weekend are long gone mate. I think the Lewis Hamilton winning his first title in Brazil thread may have about 100 posts at most (I was a casual viewer then, not a poster), but that was 17 years ago now when F1 was for the hardcore fans in Australia and Netflix was a DVD company.

Like it or not, you have to accept they are now like AFL Gameday threads full of emotive hot-takes - it's the Drive To Survive Danny Ric (and now Oscar) era and there are plenty of more casual fans. You don't have to engage, they have the same right to post shit as we do, and the same right to post in fierce opposition to others as we do. Embrace it, I'm glad a more niche sport to Australians (I remember the days of Darrell Eastlake and Alan Jones late at night on Channel 9) is making headlines and drawing more and more into F1.

My love for F1 supersedes any one-eyed bias from BigFooty or Sky or tifosi.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Let's get real. All of you know that McLaren asking Piastri to let Norris pass is fair enough.

Verstappen takes any opportunity to shit on Norris.

 

[ptrg]

We're not far off these beckoning non-satire

 

[gaskin]

Let's get real. All of you know that McLaren asking Piastri to let Norris pass is fair enough.

In no world is it fair enough. It wasn't a strategy **** up like Hungary last year. This was an idiotic decision by Lando coupled with a poor stop which happens every now and again. There was no logical reason for McLaren to swap them.

 

[juice t]

The days of F1 race day threads being about 20 posts in total for the weekend are long gone mate. I think the Lewis Hamilton winning his first title in Brazil thread may have about 100 posts at most (I was a casual viewer then, not a poster), but that was 17 years ago now when F1 was for the hardcore fans in Australia and Netflix was a DVD company.

Like it or not, you have to accept they are now like AFL Gameday threads full of emotive hot-takes - it's the Drive To Survive Danny Ric (and now Oscar) era and there are plenty of more casual fans. You don't have to engage, they have the same right to post shit as we do, and the same right to post in fierce opposition to others as we do. Embrace it, I'm glad a more niche sport to Australians (I remember the days of Darrell Eastlake and Alan Jones late at night on Channel 9) is making headlines and drawing more and more into F1.

My love for F1 supersedes any one-eyed bias from BigFooty or Sky or tifosi.

If you look back in time just about all of the biggest F1 race threads prior to this year are when an Aussie got the rough end

The Multi 21 race (Malaysia 2013)
Australia 2014 (Ricciardo finishing 2nd and getting disqualified)
Monaco 2016 with Red Bull not having Ricciardo's tyres ready

And they were all in the days when we used to barely get 200 posts a race

 

[nohairandfair]

In no world is it fair enough. It wasn't a strategy **** up like Hungary last year. This was an idiotic decision by Lando coupled with a poor stop which happens every now and again. There was no logical reason for McLaren to swap them.

It wasn't an idiotic decision by Lando. It was a calculated one, knowing that no matter what happended, Oscar was never getting ahead of him. So he had the safety car advantage by staying out and the assurance from his "team" that Oscar was not permitted to "undercut" him and duly gave him pitstop priority.

McLaren want Lando to win the WDC and will continue to white-ant Oscar at every opportunity. Expect more irate fans to boo Lando as this ramps up.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Let's get real. All of you know that McLaren asking Piastri to let Norris pass is fair enough.

Most of us are biased towards Piastri so maybe you should ask someone more impartial without a dog in the fight like, I dunno, the thousands of Tifosi booing Norris during the presentation.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

A week after getting an engine failure when he was already behind, you guys think Norris has to cop a botched pitstop where he loses position to Piastri on the chin?

You guys are smoking some really good marijuana.

Why tf would I ask a horde of losers like the "tifosi" what they think?

 

[nohairandfair]

A week after getting an engine failure when he was already behind, you guys think Norris has to cop a botched pitstop where he loses position to Piastri on the chin?

Of course, it’s a part of racing. But Lando is a bit “special” and gets the kid gloves treatment at MCL as they don’t want a sooky lala around the place.

 

[Forward Press]

Most of us are biased towards Piastri so maybe you should ask someone more impartial without a dog in the fight like, I dunno, the thousands of Tifosi booing Norris during the presentation.

lol wut

 

[Vader]

A week after getting an engine failure when he was already behind, you guys think Norris has to cop a botched pitstop where he loses position to Piastri on the chin?

Yes - that's motor racing.

There's certainly no reason why Piastri should have to suffer for the blunder the team made when servicing Lando's car.

 

[samFFC]

in the broadcast

 

[Bedi]

The days of F1 race day threads being about 20 posts in total for the weekend are long gone mate. I think the Lewis Hamilton winning his first title in Brazil thread may have about 100 posts at most (I was a casual viewer then, not a poster), but that was 17 years ago now when F1 was for the hardcore fans in Australia and Netflix was a DVD company.

Like it or not, you have to accept they are now like AFL Gameday threads full of emotive hot-takes - it's the Drive To Survive Danny Ric (and now Oscar) era and there are plenty of more casual fans. You don't have to engage, they have the same right to post shit as we do, and the same right to post in fierce opposition to others as we do. Embrace it, I'm glad a more niche sport to Australians (I remember the days of Darrell Eastlake and Alan Jones late at night on Channel 9) is making headlines and drawing more and more into F1.

My love for F1 supersedes any one-eyed bias from BigFooty or Sky or tifosi.

I've been following F1 since 1985 (barely missed a race and seen dozens of lives races over 4 continents) and that was just about the most outrageous team call i've ever seen. Nothing to do with 'hot takes' or 'one eyed biases' ffs.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

How is it absurd? They asked Lando before it happened and he agreed to it due to that.

If they weren't covering Charles off, Lando would've pitted first.

Rubbish, if Lando pits first then there's a safety car, he's stuffed.

This is the reason he was happy for Oscar to pit first, heck, he even suggested it, but got the reassurance first that he wouldn't be undercut, which is what he got.

He out qualified Oscar and led him all race, he had the right to make that choice with regards to his strategy and he was perfectly within his rights to get assurances about the undercut

That he then had a slow pit stop is just bad luck, that's racing.

 

[FR0GGY]

It just creates needless attention and it's all people will be going on about for 2 weeks. I don't really know why they felt the need to "cover" LeClerc. Unless there was a Safety Car and he ran out of laps to overtake there's no way Charles keeps Oscar behind, even if Oscar had a poor stop.

To me it still feels like Lando wanted to see what Oscar’s side did first, he knows Oscar has pretty much said all he cares about is finishing before him.
That’s why imo Lando suggested for Oscar to go first to cover Leclerc even though it wasn’t needed.
Lando also covered himself by saying that he didn’t want to be undercut, he wanted his cake and to eat it too.
“I want all the benefits of pitting first, whilst getting the benefits of pitting second”

 

[Forward Press]

I've been following F1 since 1985 (barely missed a race and seen dozens of lives races over 4 continents) and that was just about the most outrageous team call i've ever seen. Nothing to do with 'hot takes' or 'one eyed biases' ffs.

Even more outrageous than the Hakkinen/Coulthard swap for P1 in Australia? What about 'Fernando is faster than you' in the era when team orders were banned? Or the finish to Austria with Schumacher and Barrichello.

This wasn't even a swap for the lead.

Come off it.

 

[Carn The Berries]

lol what happened today had ZERO to do with what order the cars were pitted. Zero. Let’s get that straight first.
Lando was not undercut - he was passed by his teammate on the back of a slow pit stop which would’ve seen him lose track position whether he was boxed first or second. The slow stop is part of racing.

He agreed to come in second as long as they prevented the undercut (which can be clearly heard on the team radio as Norris is coming out of pit lane - advising Oscar that they don't start racing until Lando comes out of the pits, in front). The reason for it doesn't matter, that was the agreement.

Now, whether that was what had previously been agreed to is up for debate (and it seems like maybe it wasn't). Hence Oscar's comments about needing to debrief about it after the race.

 

[ptrg]

He agreed to come in second as long as they prevented the undercut (which can be clearly heard on the team radio as Norris is coming out of pit lane - advising Oscar that they don't start racing until Lando comes out of the pits, in front). The reason for it doesn't matter, that was the agreement.

Now, whether that was what had previously been agreed to is up for debate (and it seems like maybe it wasn't). Hence Oscar's comments about needing to debrief about it after the race.

You're aware Oscar legally had to pit at some stage..?
He was on 97% race length tires - why should he forever be waiting while Lando plays the strategy game (strategy being he gets to hedge his bet both ways)

Any time Oscar has the lead in the future, he should simply not pit until final few laps- and demand Lando not be allowed to pit until he chooses when he wants to do.

- that is literally what occurred

 

[Bedi]

Even more outrageous than the Hakkinen/Coulthard swap for P1 in Australia? What about 'Fernando is faster than you' in the era when team orders were banned? Or the finish to Austria with Schumacher and Barrichello.

This wasn't even a swap for the lead.

Come off it.

All those are very good examples that left a bitter taste in the mouth for fans, but this situation is in a league of its own. A pit stop error is part of racing, and is where races are won or lost. That’s the sport. So to 1) deny fans the drama that unfolds from that kind of mistake, and much more importantly 2) strip a championship leader of vital points to the direct rival – without even improving the team’s overall result (don't start on Leclerc, he was never in the picture) – is indeed outrageous. Again, seen nothing quite like it. Of course it's a team sport, but this was embarrassing and has set a dangerous precedent.

And yes i'll concede the fact a young Aussie vying for his first championsip makes it harder to take, but i can assure you i'd feel the same regardless who it was.