2025 Rolling ALL-Australian Team

[WalshistheGOAT]

If Dangerfield isn’t in your forward line, you can have a good hard look at yourself.

He'd certainly be in the conversation

 

[ShadowCat]

Danger, Smith, Holmes and Zuthrie all in the conversation for us.

 

[JHF1870]

Excluding Darcy Forward line for mine would be (You can't have 4 talls. No idea what ESPN Are thinking)
Based of my scores, I'm making a slight pesonal adjustment for Paul Curtis for goals kicked given very similar scores.

I'm chosing Treacey over Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

only just.

I've changed to Treacey for CHF only because he has reasonable more goals and they all have similar scores. I think more emphasis to be placed on the extra goals.

Dangerfield | J Cameron/Treacey/Walker| Ben Long

22

Ben Long

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

12.8

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.6

3star

Toby Greene

4

Toby Greene

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

| Thilthorpe | Keayes/Curtis

 

[JHF1870]

Danger, Smith, Holmes and Zuthrie all in the conversation for us.

Played at least 4 games, I have by average by overall rank

22 Holmes
25 Smith
114 Guthrie
78 Dangerfield

 

[JHF1870]

FB: Dayne Zorko - Sam Taylor - Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
HB: Lachie Whitfield - Jacob Weitering - Jack Sinclair

C: Hugh McCluggage - Matt Rowell - Andrew Brayshaw
F: Tom De Koning - Nick Daicos - Tom Liberatore

HF:Toby Greene - Josh Treacy - Ben Keays
FF: Ben Long - Riley Thilthorpe - Paul Curtis

I/C: Bailey Smith - Noah Anderson - Touk Miller - Zac Merrett



Unlucky - Caleb Serong, Ed Richards, Jordan Dawson

Going to be very hard to fit Bont, Butters, Rozee etc coming back from injury if they keep up their current form. A lot of players having very good seasons so far.

not bad. My metrics have Dawson over Bailey Smith

This is adjusted for 4 games or more

ALL PLAYERS	POTY (Round 6)	Count of Player	Iscore	AFL vote	AVG
1​	Matt Rowell	5​	362​	15​	72.40​
2​	George Hewett	6​	418.5​	19​	69.75​
3​	Noah Anderson	5​	339.5​	16​	67.90​
4​	Touk Miller	5​	332.5​	14​	66.50​
5​	Andrew Brayshaw	6​	397.5​	17​	66.25​
6​	Tom Green	5​	330.5​	13​	66.10​
7​	Jack Macrae	6​	390.5​	14​	65.08​
8​	Tom Liberatore	6​	384.5​	11​	64.08​
9​	Nick Daicos	6​	379.5​	15​	63.25​
10​	Caleb Serong	6​	378.5​	12​	63.08​
11​	Jai Newcombe	6​	377.5​	13​	62.92​
12​	Will Day	4​	249.5​	10​	62.38​
13​	Jordan Dawson	6​	372.5​	12​	62.08​
14​	Tom De Koning	6​	372.5​	14​	62.08​
15​	Max Gawn	6​	372​	15​	62.00​
16​	Zach Merrett	5​	304​	6​	60.80​
17​	Connor Rozee	6​	364​	17​	60.67​
18​	Izak Rankine	6​	362​	13​	60.33​
19​	Adam Cerra	6​	356.5​	9​	59.42​
20​	Jack Sinclair	6​	353​	10​	58.83​
21​	Ed Richards	6​	352.5​	13​	58.75​
	Max Holmes	6​	350.5​	9​	58.42​
	Hugh McCluggage	6​	349​	15​	58.17​
	Toby Greene	6​	348.5​	10​	58.08​
	Bailey Smith	5​	290​	7​	58.00​
	Matthew Kennedy	6​	346.5​	7​	57.75​
	Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera	6​	345​	9​	57.50​
	Jason Horne-Francis	6​	345​	6​	57.50​
	Lachie Whitfield	6​	341​	8​	56.83​
	Jy Simpkin	6​	338​	9​	56.33​
	Patrick Cripps	6​	336.5​	8​	56.08​
	Clayton Oliver	6​	336​	4​	56.00​
	Jake Soligo	6​	336​	11​	56.00​
	James Sicily	6​	335.5​	8​	55.92​
	Finn Callaghan	6​	333​	5​	55.50​
	Josh Dunkley	6​	333​	8​	55.50​
	Tristan Xerri	6​	332.5​	7​	55.42​
	Darcy Cameron	6​	330.5​	8​	55.08​
	Sam Darcy	6​	329​	11​	54.83​
	Isaac Heeney	6​	328.5​	3​	54.75​
	Toby Nankervis	6​	327​	9​	54.50​
	Dayne Zorko	6​	325​	9​	54.17​
	Sam Draper	5​	269​	8​	53.80​
	Harry Sheezel	6​	320.5​	5​	53.42​
	Luke Jackson	4​	213.5​	2​	53.38​
	Sam Taylor	6​	317​	5​	52.83​
	Sam Walsh	6​	317​	5​	52.83​
	Lachie Ash	6​	316.5​	2​	52.75​
	Jarrod Witts	5​	262​		52.40​
	Steele Sidebottom	6​	314​	3​	52.33​

 

[South of the Yarra]

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I don’t understand how these stats work.

AFL app saying he has lost 1 defensive contest all year. Yet Darcy put him to the sword.

Any ideas?

Yes, has only lost one defensive contest this year. Remarkable. Have a look at the Darcy goals closer.

 

[Daka]

Seth Campbell has to right up there as one of the best running small forward this season.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Updated Coaches Votes

 

[pico]

S. Sidebottom second picked behind N. Daicos

 

[PhatBoy]

Excluding Darcy Forward line for mine would be (You can't have 4 talls. No idea what ESPN Are thinking)
Based of my scores, I'm making a slight pesonal adjustment for Paul Curtis for goals kicked given very similar scores.

I'm chosing Treacey over Jeremy Cameron only just.

I've changed to Treacey for CHF only because he has reasonable more goals and they all have similar scores. I think more emphasis to be placed on the extra goals.

Dangerfield | J Cameron/Treacey/Walker| Ben Long
Toby Greene | Thilthorpe | Keayes/Curtis

Probably an example of how output can be deceiving.
Cameron definitely has had his moments, hasn’t been poor by any stretch. But I think he’s kicked only one less goal than Dangerfield yet the latter has indisputably had a far bigger influence. Has basically been our most influential player in 3 straight wins. And kicked both his goals against Freo in our other win in the first half when we set up the result.

Cameron has definitely had a bit of a say but yeah, not the impact Danger has

 

[JHF1870]

Probably an example of how output can be deceiving.
Cameron definitely has had his moments, hasn’t been poor by any stretch. But I think he’s kicked only one less goal than Dangerfield yet the latter has indisputably had a far bigger influence. Has basically been our most influential player in 3 straight wins. And kicked both his goals against Freo in our other win in the first half when we set up the result.

Cameron has definitely had a bit of a say but yeah, not the impact Danger has

Not so sure it's clear cut. Heres's what I've got with my stats, compared with Toby Greene. The scores are based on my ratings benchmarked from elite games.

I can only go by the stats I've collected. I haven't place a lot of emphasis on negative disposals and clangers this season but will next season. Takles need to be nerfed, or at least balanced between non effective and effective. It's always hard to draw on a metric based system because it's hard to value everything.

How would you compare a 1 percenter such as a smother vs an inside 50 vs a score involvement, vs a score assist, vs a goal.

None could potentially occur without the smother, but an inside 50 + a score assist should stack meaning an inside 50 on it's own is worth something but not as much. In terms of the elite games, and DAnger's 2016 game scored 125 points on my system, and 94 is the highest this season, Danger is still far off an elite game.

I'd personally argue Holmes has been one of the most influential players for Geelong with Smith. Although both are ranked low 20s.

 

[PhatBoy]

Not so sure it's clear cut. Heres's what I've got with my stats, compared with Toby Greene. The scores are based on my ratings benchmarked from elite games.

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I’m not being a d**k so please don’t interpret it that way but have you watched the matches?

I didn’t see the Brisbane game as I was driving but watched the others.

Cameron at the moment is probably putting himself around the ball more because for the most part Geelong are resisting the urge to move Dangerfield to the middle almost at any cost whereas Cameron has always been a running forward anyway who gets up to the middle so he naturally still finds himself getting more of the ball, being involved in play a little bit more. So his overall output is probably a little bit better on paper.

He’s not having nearly the same bearing on matches though.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

B Ash S Taylor Wanganeen-Milera
HB Houston Sicily Whitfield
C Sidebottom Rowell Merrett
HF Horne-Francis Hipwood B Smith
F Pickett Hogan Schultz
FOLL Cameron Dawson N Daicos
IC Liberatore McCluggage Gawn Newcombe E Richards

 

[JHF1870]

I’m not being a d**k so please don’t interpret it that way but have you watched the matches?

I didn’t see the Brisbane game as I was driving but watched the others.

Cameron at the moment is probably putting himself around the ball more because for the most part Geelong are resisting the urge to move Dangerfield to the middle almost at any cost whereas Cameron has always been a running forward anyway who gets up to the middle so he naturally still finds himself getting more of the ball, being involved in play a little bit more. So his overall output is probably a little bit better on paper.

He’s not having nearly the same bearing on matches though.

Never thought anything of it. I started this project to take away any bias I might have had for or against players. Everything has it's limitations.

I think a huge part of the bias is the more we hear someones name, the more we are likely to think about them when doing our teams, either negatively or positively.

I'm just saying these are the values of the players based on my system.

It's showing Average games at 50-55 points, excellent games at 70-80, elite over 90. Danger and Cameron are sitting about the same. I think for example, Rowell is scoring higher than I think he deserves because of his tackle count which I think needs nerfing.

The stats will never show a tap down from a marking contest, or macro events that put pressure on the opposition.

 

[PhatBoy]

Never thought anything of it. I started this project to take away any bias I might have had for or against players. Everything has it's limitations.

I think a huge part of the bias is the more we hear someones name, the more we are likely to think about them when doing our teams, either negatively or positively.

I'm just saying these are the values of the players based on my system.

It's showing Average games at 50-55 points, excellent games at 70-80, elite over 90. Danger and Cameron are sitting about the same. I think for example, Rowell is scoring higher than I think he deserves because of his tackle count which I think needs nerfing.

The stats will never show a tap down from a marking contest, or macro events that put pressure on the opposition.

That’s fair enough.

He’s definitely not been poor and has had a part in each of the wins, just not the ‘in the conversation as the best player in the game’ Cameron that he has been previously whereas Dangerfield has been that sort of ‘ok where is he???’ presence whenever the ball goes forward for us

 

[Sector 7G]

Yes, has only lost one defensive contest this year. Remarkable. Have a look at the Darcy goals closer.

Smart move not to get in 1 on 1s versus Darcy

 

[JHF1870]

That’s fair enough.

He’s definitely not been poor and has had a part in each of the wins, just not the ‘in the conversation as the best player in the game’ Cameron that he has been previously whereas Dangerfield has been that sort of ‘ok where is he???’ presence whenever the ball goes forward for us

I've got Dangerfield in my team atm. Think It's Thilthorpe, Treacey, Long, Greene, Dangerfield, and Curtis. Ideally I'd like to see Georgiades in there but hasn't quite got there. Cameron and Walker are close.

 

[Sully111]

By average to account for difference in number of games teams have played

1. Ben King 4.2
2. Riley Thilthorpe 4
3. Ben Long 3.8
4. Josh Treacy 3.5/Jack Higgins 3.5/Darcy Fogarty 3.5/Taylor Walker 3.5
8. Paul Curtis 3.3
9. Mitch Georgiades 3.2
10. Toby Greene 3 /Sam Darcy 3/Ben Keays 3

 

[XhazzafootyX]

incredible what danger is doing at his age. I’d have him in my team if it was picked now. Still a long season tho.

 

[Cringle]

B Ash S Taylor Wanganeen-Milera
HB Houston Sicily Whitfield
C Sidebottom Rowell Merrett
HF Horne-Francis Hipwood B Smith
F Pickett Hogan Schultz
FOLL Cameron Dawson N Daicos
IC Liberatore McCluggage Gawn Newcombe E Richards

Houston, Pickett, Hogan and Schultz probably haven’t played enough games at this point.

Also Sicily doesn’t belong anywhere near this thread.

 

[Lingsface]

I’m not being a d**k so please don’t interpret it that way but have you watched the matches?

I didn’t see the Brisbane game as I was driving but watched the others.

Cameron at the moment is probably putting himself around the ball more because for the most part Geelong are resisting the urge to move Dangerfield to the middle almost at any cost whereas Cameron has always been a running forward anyway who gets up to the middle so he naturally still finds himself getting more of the ball, being involved in play a little bit more. So his overall output is probably a little bit better on paper.

He’s not having nearly the same bearing on matches though.

There is no arguing this, Danger has been our best player this year and Cameron has been ok. Moments have separated the two and the attack on the ball, things that cannot be measured on paper.

Toby Greene has been a star this year and has been very unselfish, has continued his development as a leader and reestablished himself as the premier small forward of the competition.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Sidebottom has to be in

 

[beerbandit]

FB: Dayne Zorko - Sam Taylor - Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
HB: Lachie Whitfield - Jacob Weitering - Jack Sinclair

C: Hugh McCluggage - Matt Rowell - Andrew Brayshaw
F: Tom De Koning - Nick Daicos - Tom Liberatore

HF:Toby Greene - Josh Treacy - Ben Keays
FF: Ben Long - Riley Thilthorpe - Paul Curtis

I/C: Bailey Smith - Noah Anderson - Touk Miller - Zac Merrett



Unlucky - Caleb Serong, Ed Richards, Jordan Dawson

Going to be very hard to fit Bont, Butters, Rozee etc coming back from injury if they keep up their current form. A lot of players having very good seasons so far.

Surely this is a typo from you Walshy.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Surely this is a typo from you Walshy.

Have I ever been known to slander a great player like Nick Daicos?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Updated Coaches Votes

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So based on this...

B: Wanganeen-Milera, Andrews, Sinclair
HB: Rozee, Taylor, Merett
C: B Smith, Dawson, Anderson
HF: McCluggage, Treacy, Butters
F: Greene, Thilthorpe, Dangerfield
R: T De Koning, Serong, Daicos
I: Hewett, Rowell, Sidebottom, Miller
Sub: Brayshaw