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Official FA Moves/Trades​
Player/PicksOriginal Team
Receiving Team​
FA /Trade?
Tom De KoningCarltonSt KildaRFA
Jack SilvagniCarltonSt KildaUFA
Jacob WehrGWSPort AdelaideUFA
 Sam DraperEssendonBrisbaneUFA
Oscar AllenWest CoastBrisbaneRFA
Charlie SpargoMelbourneNorth MelbourneUFA

Buku Khamis - requests a trade to Carlton
Wade Derksen - requests a trade to Melbourne
Liam Ryan - requests a trade to St Kilda
Leek Aleer - requests a trade to St Kilda
Campbell Chesser - requests a trade to Carlton
Will Brodie - requests a trade to Port Adelaide
Liam Reidy - requests a trade to Carlton
Sam Flanders - has requested a trade/explore options
 
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Arthur Cloke said:
Letting Mason Wood go was a dagger to the heart. But sometimes you really don't know what you've got til you've lost it. I remember doing a tour of The Huddle years ago and seeing multiple 10kg bags of flour in a store-room. It wasn't until years later that you find out what that's actually being used for. Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined the fallout that would follow.
But other than Wood, every other player you guys have let go has done bugger all. I mean we even gave Mahony a year. Ripping fella. Loves his fly-fishing & kite-surfing.
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just two weeks ago was watching mason wood turn it over twice in 3mins to cost st kilda the sydney game.

literally was thinking the oppositie of whatever you just typed about him.
 
Merlin007 said:
Can someone refresh my memory - assuming the 2 extra rookie spots are removed, how many do we have to move on to make room for (say) 3 draftees and a trade and/or DFA (so a hypothetical total of 4 incoming)?
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7 or 8 players will go. 2-3 rookies so our 8 rookies become at least 6 at a maximum.
Our main list of 38 needs to become 32 to open up 3-4 spots for trade and draft, list would be 36 main - 6 rookies
But could also be 37 main-5 rookies if KD, Teakle and Payne go. I doubt we'd cut back to 4 rookies and 38 main spots.
 
HoldingThe Ball said:
Howdy

I saw a few of our blokes thrown around in this thread, and I think you're on the money with some.

When we got Barrass and Battle we pretty much shut the door on a few of our players careers at Hawthorn.

Barrass, Battle, Sicily, Scrimshaw, Impey, Amon, Hardwick (and young Mraz and McCabe waiting in the wings) are settled and means some guys have a choice - stay at Box Hill and fight for a spot or move.

Jai Serong (WCE apparently have spoken to him)

Changkuoth Jiath​

Sam Frost (Sydney & Collingwood have spoken to him)​

James Blanck

Seamus Mitchell

These guys, you'd think would be open to a conversation about a fresh start at least.

In the Ruck, Ramsden has gone past Ned Reeves - he's worth asking the question to plus midfielders Henry Hustwaite, Finn Maginness - and maybe even James Worpel as our offer to him was........unconvincing to say the least.

We really are after an A grader like Butters or Reid, so Worpel may be open to moving on (Geelong have spoken to him apparently)

I want to be really clear - in a perfect world, we'd want to keep most of these guys but they are at the age where, if they want a career, then the grass maybe greener elsewhere.

The main thing is - these are not VFL players. These are guys who are 100% AFL quality, but are just stuck behind guys at Hawthorn who simply are better than them.

All of them would give great service to their new clubs.

As an aside - what's happened to Eddie Ford? I really really rated the guy, but can't get a game - what's that all about? Attitude? Fitness?

Anyway - hopefully you may find some of this of interest. Good luck for the rest of the season.
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We were pretty keen on Mraz in his draft year, but don't think he'd be looking to leave.
Don't think we'd be all that keen on Frost or Blanck.

Maginnes would be great, but don't think you would let him go. He does your tagging jobs doesn't he?

Eddie Ford has had some injuries this year, looking like he's more finished.
Too many half fwds with Zurhaar, PC, Harvey, BGeorge, Duursma. I just don't see a role for him.
They tried him down back in the VFL, which he did okay in, but then got injured.
Feel for him, looked like he got really fit and didn't get a look in all that much.
I suspect he doesn't play to structure, but not totally sure. Seems to not be trusted by the coaches.
 

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chubbspeterson said:
We'll need at least another person off the rookie list to have the 6 max rookies.
I think it'll be more 7 or 8 going to make 3-4 open spots.
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Why are we in need of that many rookies, we can't pick anyone decent above 4. Yes there's some anomalies; Curtis, Larkey & Xerri. But no, until we prove we can find a diamond in the rough this decade, the less options we have, the better.
 
HoldingThe Ball said:
Howdy

I saw a few of our blokes thrown around in this thread, and I think you're on the money with some.

When we got Barrass and Battle we pretty much shut the door on a few of our players careers at Hawthorn.

Barrass, Battle, Sicily, Scrimshaw, Impey, Amon, Hardwick (and young Mraz and McCabe waiting in the wings) are settled and means some guys have a choice - stay at Box Hill and fight for a spot or move.

Jai Serong (WCE apparently have spoken to him)

Changkuoth Jiath​

Sam Frost (Sydney & Collingwood have spoken to him)​

James Blanck

Seamus Mitchell

These guys, you'd think would be open to a conversation about a fresh start at least.

In the Ruck, Ramsden has gone past Ned Reeves - he's worth asking the question to plus midfielders Henry Hustwaite, Finn Maginness - and maybe even James Worpel as our offer to him was........unconvincing to say the least.

We really are after an A grader like Butters or Reid, so Worpel may be open to moving on (Geelong have spoken to him apparently)

I want to be really clear - in a perfect world, we'd want to keep most of these guys but they are at the age where, if they want a career, then the grass maybe greener elsewhere.

The main thing is - these are not VFL players. These are guys who are 100% AFL quality, but are just stuck behind guys at Hawthorn who simply are better than them.

All of them would give great service to their new clubs.

As an aside - what's happened to Eddie Ford? I really really rated the guy, but can't get a game - what's that all about? Attitude? Fitness?

Anyway - hopefully you may find some of this of interest. Good luck for the rest of the season.
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No Hawthorn rejects thank you. How do we go above you selecting those you've already established aren't good enough?


We did ok with Jed, there's our break even.
 

Harley Reid wants a multimillion-dollar mega deal. These are the pitfalls and positives​




Harley Reid has given West Coast an opportunity to sign him to a mammoth 11-year contract extension at an estimated worth of about $20 million.
Reid’s team at Connors Sports Management on Tuesday confirmed to this masthead they had presented the Eagles with a long-term offer.
Running hot: Harley Reid will sign a huge contract, whether that be with the Eagles or elsewhere.

Running hot: Harley Reid will sign a huge contract, whether that be with the Eagles or elsewhere.Credit:Getty Images
Industry sources spoken to by this masthead have estimated this would be worth about $20 million, particularly when factoring in expected rises over the next decade in the collective bargaining agreement.
This includes the option of a two-year extension from 2027 – the young star is still contracted through until the end of next season – and then an option for a further nine years, tying him to the club until the end of 2037.

The Eagles presented Reid, 20, with their own set of options earlier in the year. The club did not wish to comment about Reid’s contract negotiations when asked on Tuesday.

​

However, Reid’s management was quick to dismiss a report he was not interested in joining any so-called struggling Victorian clubs, should he opt to leave.
The huge potential contract is the latest in a series of eye-popping, long-term deals that have been signed, or are there for the taking, amidst a changing AFL landscape. Carlton ruckman Tom De Koning – another Connors Sports Management client – is weighing up a seven-year, $12 million deal from St Kilda.

Players cashing in​


There are more than 30 players across the league now signed until at least 2030, including Melbourne star Kysaiah Pickett, who inked a nine-year deal in June that ties him to the club until the end of 2034. He is the league’s longest-signed player. Gold Coast defender Mac Andrew is also on a deal which could extend until 2034, but he must hit certain triggers.

'Mammoth offer' tabled to Reid amid demand​



​



Cal Twomey reveals the latest on the pursuit for Harley Reid with clubs lining up.
Fremantle’s Hayden Young is tied to his club through to 2033, while teammate Andrew Brayshaw has signed until 2031. Luke Davies-Uniacke, Max King, Sam Taylor, Connor Rozee, Aaron Naughton, Noah Balta and Connor Idun are among a group contracted until 2032.

The debate​

Industry sources, including list managers and player agents, who spoke to this masthead outlined the pros and potential pitfalls of long-term contracts. But all agreed they were here to stay, unless the AFL legislates change with the AFL Players Association when discussions over the next CBA begin.

However, the AFLPA said on Tuesday it had no intention of allowing caps on the length of contracts. It favours the current system, arguing players are already heavily regulated, including having no say on the club they are drafted to, while there are also restrictions on free agency.
“We don’t see any reason to change,” interim AFLPA chief executive Ben Smith told RSN this month.
Yet to make a call: Carlton ruckman [PLAYERCARD]Tom De Koning[/PLAYERCARD] is weighing up a whopping offer from St Kilda.

Yet to make a call: Carlton ruckman Tom De Koning is weighing up a whopping offer from St Kilda.Credit:Getty Images
It argues long-term contracts will be awarded to a relatively small number of players, pointing out the average length of an AFL career is about six years.
The benefits and potential pitfalls of long-term contracts were a topic of discussion at the recent AFL chief executives conference.

Safeguards​

The AFL has introduced what’s been dubbed the “Buddy Franklin rule” – a club’s board and executive must sign off on contracts of six or more years. The AFL can also intervene and torpedo the deal, if it feels a club will be financially hamstrung.

While this rule ensures there is official transparency between the football department and a club’s board, this is still no guarantee the player will flourish.
Industry figures contacted by this masthead, for instance, say while Reid is likely to become a superstar, at 20, how can anyone be certain what will transpire over the next decade?

The potential pros​

Security: A long-term deal gives a player – and his family – the financial and emotional security to plan for their future. This helps to retain – and recruit – top talent.
Prime years: The club signing the player should have confidence it will reap the best years of the player’s career. One recruiting manager said it was important, at times, to be well-researched but also bold in this role, and long-term contracts were now a reflection of this.

Salary cap flexibility: While a player may sign a multi-million dollar deal, the money does not have to be paid annually at the same rate. For instance, it could be front-ended, allowing the club greater flexibility to snare more top-end talent years later when the salary cap, as it has always done, increases.

Tasmania Devils: The impending addition of the league’s 19th club has rivals keen to put their best talent out of arm’s reach, at least in the Devils’ early years. A long-term contract is the best way to do this, list managers argue.
Trade: One potential advantage is that if the player seeks a trade, there can be certainty in the salary the prospective suitor will take on, although this can be reworked.

The potential cons​

Desire: Once the huge pay cheque has been guaranteed, the focus switches to whether that player – now considered a “franchise cornerstone” – will still have the “edge” required to reach his full potential.
Commitment: As a follow-on to the above point, one veteran recruiter, without giving a specific example, questioned what would happen if a player opted to sit out a year, or even years, over a dispute, or personal issues. “How does the contract then look in terms of this?” he said.

Injuries: If a player is seriously hurt, misses an extended period, then eventually returns to the field but is no longer capable of being an A-grader, the club may find it hard to justify to fans and sponsors the player’s huge contract.

Concussion and salary cap: The number of players forced into medical retirement because of head trauma is rising. While the AFL provides salary-cap relief for up to three years, with decreasing percentages of relief each year, when a player is recommended to retire by the AFL’s medical board, a long-term contract means the club could be on the hook for a long period.
While the public debate flares, Eagles coach Andrew McQualter has made it clear what his struggling club thinks about Reid.
“I’ve got a pen in my pocket, I’m heading over there [to Reid’s house] after this,” McQualter joked on 7 News Perth on Monday.
 
HBFlanker said:
yeah, good assessment this.

If Logue is depth/traded out, thats fine. Can you see Goater playing this role from round 1?

Mckercher will get 35 a game playing this role, but they may not be super damaging. Whitlock clearly gets into this group in the next 8 to 12 months as well.

I like where this group is heading, but it is very very young.

We just have to play WDawson and Chom in the backline for as many games as we possibly can.
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Mckercher is our most damaging player already, and by a horizon’s length might I add.

It’s the reason he keeps getting tagged this year as a teenager.
 
chubbspeterson said:
Sure we would want more to show for it, but some of it is also young.
How long did it take Rayner or Zac Bailey to really show something? 6 plus years? It can take some time.
We need to get better at finding and developing elite talent in the 20's, 30's or 40's and stop the heavy reliance on thinking top 5 picks will get us out of the hole we're in.
No doubt you're more likely to find your stars with high end picks, but recently there's been some good talent in the later part of the top 10 and/or teens.
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I think you are saying something quite different, though also valid, to what my point is.
You spend 5 years in the bottom 2, with circumstances like JHF and McKay on top, and in theory the balancing benefit is a raft of high probability A-Graders from the draft.
As it stands, the two best players we have drafted in the last 8 years are 1) banned from the game, and 2) playing for Port.
Yep, most are still very young, but all are some way from being A-Grade locks
 

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Chip Scab1 said:
Why are we in need of that many rookies, we can't pick anyone decent above 4. Yes there's some anomalies; Curtis, Larkey & Xerri. But no, until we prove we can find a diamond in the rough this decade, the less options we have, the better.
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We had the two extra spots from the AFL, allowing us to go 38 on the main list and 6 rookies (should've been 36-6 under normal rules with 42 max list size), but then we added two rookies in the MSD in Banch and Trembath to make it 8 rookies.
We could go down to 4 rookie spots if we want to be brutal. That would mean cutting 4 of them.
You could cut KD, Payne, Teakle and Trembath and just have Pink, Maley, Hansen Jnr and Banch.
Rookies are usually 1 year contracts vs 2 years (R2/R3/R4) or 3 years (R1) in the national draft, so I guess you aren't committed to them for that long compared with the ND draftees.
 
FootySmartSimpson said:
Mckercher is our most damaging player already, and by a horizon’s length might I add.

It’s the reason he keeps getting tagged this year as a teenager.
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That is 100% correct. LDU's best footy seems to be behind him. And really, the rest of the midfield could all get 30+ touches each week & not have any real impact on the result.
Colby is the one stand-out. God I hope he doesn't get Northed.
 
guapo said:
I think you are saying something quite different, though also valid, to what my point is.
You spend 5 years in the bottom 2, with circumstances like JHF and McKay on top, and in theory the balancing benefit is a raft of high probability A-Graders from the draft.
As it stands, the two best players we have drafted in the last 8 years are 1) banned from the game, and 2) playing for Port.
Yep, most are still very young, but all are some way from being A-Grade locks
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I think Sheezel is one of the most talented players we've picked recently, but for sure losing JHF and TT hurts.
The top 5 aren't always the best players in the class, but you're probably more likely to find your stars there.
 
Devil Fish said:
That is 100% correct. LDU's best footy seems to be behind him. And really, the rest of the midfield could all get 30+ touches each week & not have any real impact on the result.
Colby is the one stand-out. God I hope he doesn't get Northed.
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LDU best footy is behind him that's gotta be one of the biggest statements made on here for a long.
 
 
FlyHigh18 said:
just two weeks ago was watching mason wood turn it over twice in 3mins to cost st kilda the sydney game.

literally was thinking the oppositie of whatever you just typed about him.
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Yep such a baffling player. Kicks it randomly out on the full under zero pressure one minute or straight to the oppo, then the next minute he's drilling a beautiful pass to someone.
 

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travelli said:

Harley Reid wants a multimillion-dollar mega deal. These are the pitfalls and positives​




Harley Reid has given West Coast an opportunity to sign him to a mammoth 11-year contract extension at an estimated worth of about $20 million.
Reid’s team at Connors Sports Management on Tuesday confirmed to this masthead they had presented the Eagles with a long-term offer.
Running hot: Harley Reid will sign a huge contract, whether that be with the Eagles or elsewhere.

Running hot: Harley Reid will sign a huge contract, whether that be with the Eagles or elsewhere.Credit:Getty Images
Industry sources spoken to by this masthead have estimated this would be worth about $20 million, particularly when factoring in expected rises over the next decade in the collective bargaining agreement.
This includes the option of a two-year extension from 2027 – the young star is still contracted through until the end of next season – and then an option for a further nine years, tying him to the club until the end of 2037.

The Eagles presented Reid, 20, with their own set of options earlier in the year. The club did not wish to comment about Reid’s contract negotiations when asked on Tuesday.

​

However, Reid’s management was quick to dismiss a report he was not interested in joining any so-called struggling Victorian clubs, should he opt to leave.
The huge potential contract is the latest in a series of eye-popping, long-term deals that have been signed, or are there for the taking, amidst a changing AFL landscape. Carlton ruckman Tom De Koning – another Connors Sports Management client – is weighing up a seven-year, $12 million deal from St Kilda.

Players cashing in​


There are more than 30 players across the league now signed until at least 2030, including Melbourne star Kysaiah Pickett, who inked a nine-year deal in June that ties him to the club until the end of 2034. He is the league’s longest-signed player. Gold Coast defender Mac Andrew is also on a deal which could extend until 2034, but he must hit certain triggers.

'Mammoth offer' tabled to Reid amid demand​


​



Cal Twomey reveals the latest on the pursuit for Harley Reid with clubs lining up.
Fremantle’s Hayden Young is tied to his club through to 2033, while teammate Andrew Brayshaw has signed until 2031. Luke Davies-Uniacke, Max King, Sam Taylor, Connor Rozee, Aaron Naughton, Noah Balta and Connor Idun are among a group contracted until 2032.

The debate​

Industry sources, including list managers and player agents, who spoke to this masthead outlined the pros and potential pitfalls of long-term contracts. But all agreed they were here to stay, unless the AFL legislates change with the AFL Players Association when discussions over the next CBA begin.

However, the AFLPA said on Tuesday it had no intention of allowing caps on the length of contracts. It favours the current system, arguing players are already heavily regulated, including having no say on the club they are drafted to, while there are also restrictions on free agency.
“We don’t see any reason to change,” interim AFLPA chief executive Ben Smith told RSN this month.
Yet to make a call: Carlton ruckman Tom De Koning is weighing up a whopping offer from St Kilda.

Yet to make a call: Carlton ruckman Tom De Koning is weighing up a whopping offer from St Kilda.Credit:Getty Images
It argues long-term contracts will be awarded to a relatively small number of players, pointing out the average length of an AFL career is about six years.
The benefits and potential pitfalls of long-term contracts were a topic of discussion at the recent AFL chief executives conference.

Safeguards​

The AFL has introduced what’s been dubbed the “Buddy Franklin rule” – a club’s board and executive must sign off on contracts of six or more years. The AFL can also intervene and torpedo the deal, if it feels a club will be financially hamstrung.

While this rule ensures there is official transparency between the football department and a club’s board, this is still no guarantee the player will flourish.
Industry figures contacted by this masthead, for instance, say while Reid is likely to become a superstar, at 20, how can anyone be certain what will transpire over the next decade?

The potential pros​

Security: A long-term deal gives a player – and his family – the financial and emotional security to plan for their future. This helps to retain – and recruit – top talent.
Prime years: The club signing the player should have confidence it will reap the best years of the player’s career. One recruiting manager said it was important, at times, to be well-researched but also bold in this role, and long-term contracts were now a reflection of this.

Salary cap flexibility: While a player may sign a multi-million dollar deal, the money does not have to be paid annually at the same rate. For instance, it could be front-ended, allowing the club greater flexibility to snare more top-end talent years later when the salary cap, as it has always done, increases.

Tasmania Devils: The impending addition of the league’s 19th club has rivals keen to put their best talent out of arm’s reach, at least in the Devils’ early years. A long-term contract is the best way to do this, list managers argue.
Trade: One potential advantage is that if the player seeks a trade, there can be certainty in the salary the prospective suitor will take on, although this can be reworked.

The potential cons​

Desire: Once the huge pay cheque has been guaranteed, the focus switches to whether that player – now considered a “franchise cornerstone” – will still have the “edge” required to reach his full potential.
Commitment: As a follow-on to the above point, one veteran recruiter, without giving a specific example, questioned what would happen if a player opted to sit out a year, or even years, over a dispute, or personal issues. “How does the contract then look in terms of this?” he said.

Injuries: If a player is seriously hurt, misses an extended period, then eventually returns to the field but is no longer capable of being an A-grader, the club may find it hard to justify to fans and sponsors the player’s huge contract.

Concussion and salary cap: The number of players forced into medical retirement because of head trauma is rising. While the AFL provides salary-cap relief for up to three years, with decreasing percentages of relief each year, when a player is recommended to retire by the AFL’s medical board, a long-term contract means the club could be on the hook for a long period.
While the public debate flares, Eagles coach Andrew McQualter has made it clear what his struggling club thinks about Reid.
“I’ve got a pen in my pocket, I’m heading over there [to Reid’s house] after this,” McQualter joked on 7 News Perth on Monday.
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What has he done to earn this?

He had a great underage year, then was maybe 4th or 5th best in his draft year. Since then he hasn't been amazing as an AFL player.

A lot of flashes of potential but you don't pay that much for potential.
 
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