List Mgmt. 2025 Trade & List Management Thread

[giantroo]

Official FA Moves/Trades​

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Player/Picks	Original Team	Receiving Team​	FA /Trade?
Tom De Koning	Carlton	St Kilda	RFA
Jack Silvagni	Carlton	St Kilda	UFA
Jacob Wehr	GWS	Port Adelaide	UFA
Sam Draper	Essendon	Brisbane	UFA
Oscar Allen	West Coast	Brisbane	RFA
Charlie Spargo	Melbourne	North Melbourne	UFA

Buku Khamis - requests a trade to Carlton
Wade Derksen - requests a trade to Melbourne
Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

- requests a trade to St Kilda
Leek Aleer - requests a trade to St Kilda
Campbell Chesser - requests a trade to Carlton
Will Brodie

23

Will Brodie

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

- requests a trade to Port Adelaide
Liam Reidy - requests a trade to Carlton
Sam Flanders - has requested a trade/explore options

 

[King Hansen]

Rosas was subbed in late and barely got a look in.

Just missed a nice crumbling goal, put on some good pressure, chased and tackled. Was important in the passage of play which King kicked the sealer. Was his dart of a kick that opened the play.

Not bad for 10mins of game time.

 

[tales129]

Erasmus looked like he had a nice second half

 

[King Hansen]

Erasmus looked like he had a nice second half

Too slow

 

[scottywiper]

and we need a quick, pressuring, goal sneak who is a threat to kick 3+.

Have treated small forwards as a novelty since LT retired. Pathetic.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Archer has been an underrated loss. He can run and he can hold his own in most situations, so he helps with the transition after turnovers. Hopefully we get a healthy year from him. But we can't count on it, which is why I'd be okay with Starcevich.

Comben focusing on defence and really improving could be big.

George looked like a weapon on the wing in his last game.

We need someone to claim CHF (Whitlock? Trembath? Maley? A trade target?) and we need a quick, pressuring, goal sneak who is a threat to kick 3+.

They'll definitely be trying to add to the defensive group, whether via trade or draft.

I'm not sure we'll be looking at small forwards this year with Harvey, Banch, Stevens and Payne on the list.
They'd probably want to give them some more time to develop, but we do need a quality one.
One option might be 174cm Talor Byrne, which the drafting smalls crew will have an issue with, but the kid puts on pressure and has kicked 4-5 goals twice for Vic Country and played a bit of mid as well in the CTL.
Next year there's 168cm Neocleous and a few other small/medium forwards from Gippsland that have hit the scoreboard and have some tricks that we could look at if we don't take one this year.

I would think we look more at those available out of the kpf/rucks (Schubert, Ludo, Emmett, Curtin, Ah-Mu, Hetherton etc.), mid/hbf/wings (Farrow, LeRay, Barker, Philipou, Onley etc.) and defenders (Dahlitz, Kondogiannis, Taylor etc.).

 

[krakouers]

Erasmus looked like he had a nice second half

If Erasmus looked slow, Brodie would be lapped by sloths

 

[pupstar]

If Erasmus looked slow, Brodie would be lapped by sloths

Reckon Erasmus would be a really good get for us regardless of people saying he is slow but not sure he will leave Freo.

 

[Chip Scab1]

I don’t believe the upward trajectory has begun in earnest to be perfectly honest this season overall has been more of the same, clearly our list is woefully short in terms of depth sure we have had reasonable spells but we did that last year too. So many “best 22” types still go missing way to often.

You say that... but compared to last year it's pretty stark.

We're at 4.5 v 3 for starters and how many single point losses this year? 4? + a draw with last years Premiers and heaps of missed games from Larkey, Xerri, Wardlaw etc

Pound for pound, ~60% better.

 

[andana]

Dockers great shares ideas on how AFL's worst performing team can rebuild

The AFL's worst-performing team should consider spending beyond the club's salary soft-cap — and pay the associated tax — to fast track its rebuild, according to former Fremantle captain Peter Bell.

www.abc.net.au

 

[BrownPaperBag]

You say that... but compared to last year it's pretty stark.

We're at 4.5 v 3 for starters and how many single point losses this year? 4? + a draw with last years Premiers and heaps of missed games from Larkey, Xerri, Wardlaw etc

Pound for pound, ~60% better.

Two of those wins were extremely lucky against two teams ranked worse than us we still have around 10 blokes that realistically could be delisted. We haven’t addressed key problems like stopping runs of goals or horrific turnovers. Which individuals would you say have improved. Mckercher, FOS has been solid but most have stagnated or regressed.

Teams move the ball way too easily against us and there are brief runs of quality but all too rare and not sustained. Sure injuries and suspensions happen but no players have really stepped up their performances to cover that contribution. Even our elite paid players are inconsistent within games

 

[Chip Scab1]

Two of those wins were extremely lucky against two teams ranked worse than us we still have around 10 blokes that realistically could be delisted. We haven’t addressed key problems like stopping runs of goals or horrific turnovers. Which individuals would you say have improved. Mckercher, FOS has been solid but most have stagnated or regressed.

Teams move the ball way too easily against us and there are brief runs of quality but all too rare and not sustained. Sure injuries and suspensions happen but no players have really stepped up their performances to cover that contribution. Even our elite paid players are inconsistent within games

When you sit at this card game friend, it's best to check your expectations in at reception.

Lucky? We should be so picky.
I thought we'd win 5 games, we're at 4 and a good chance against Richmond.

Lost 4 by <10, drew another. Had injuries, have upside. Interrupted years to Curtis, Duursma, Xerri, Larkey really, George looks good.

Hate to break it to you, but this is where we're at. Coming.

 

[krakouers]

Reckon Erasmus would be a really good get for us regardless of people saying he is slow but not sure he will leave Freo.

Definitely the case much rather Erasmus

 

[Themanbun]

The following do not like the hard stuff:

LDU
Powell
McKercher
Scott
Daniel
Sheezel
Stephens
Logue
Duursma

You can't carry this many.

Work out who are the 2-3 whose weapons are worth a bit of softness and trade the rest.

 

[Lavy_Panther]

At least a quarter of our list wouldn’t get a game at any other club except perhaps West Coast. It’s a terrible place to be this deep into a rebuild.

 

[DrZaius]

The following do not like the hard stuff:

LDU
Powell
McKercher
Scott
Daniel
Sheezel
Stephens
Logue
Duursma

You can't carry this many.

Work out who are the 2-3 whose weapons are worth a bit of softness and trade the rest.

Toss up between LDU & Duursma for the final spot, but we've already seen the best of LDU imo and there is still a chance to harness Duursma's potential.

 

[DrZaius]

At least a quarter of our list wouldn’t get a game at any other club except perhaps West Coast. It’s a terrible place to be this deep into a rebuild.

Nah.

Our balance/mix is all wrong with how we are coached to play, but individually most on our list could be turned into solid role players in better teams at the very least.

 

[ShinboneSpirit]

Put players up for trade. Logue, Simpkin, Zurhaar & Powell at a minimum. Hell we should even pay 25% of LDU’s contract and see what we can get for him.

 

[Lavy_Panther]

Nah.

Our balance/mix is all wrong with how we are coached to play, but individually most on our list could be turned into solid role players in better teams at the very least.

Teakle
Payne
Konstanty
Trembath
Daniel
Logue
Tucker
Scott
Corr
Fisher
Goad
Stevens
Bergman
RHJ
CCJ
Maley

None of them are AFL quality players. And I could have named another 5 or so that are borderline (e.g. Ford).

 

[viccles]

Trembath?

 

[DrZaius]

Teakle
Payne
Konstanty
Trembath
Daniel
Logue
Tucker
Scott
Corr
Fisher
Goad
Stevens
Bergman
RHJ
CCJ

None of them are AFL quality players. And I could have named another 5 or so that are borderline (e.g. Ford).

Nah. We don't have a list full of blokes who were rounded up from the pub on a Saturday arvo. The vast majority of those players have looked like an AFL player at one time or another.

7 of those have played games for at least one other club and they currently play in a team totally bereft of cohesion and structure that is plagued by a culture of conditional effort.

2 of those are currently playing their first game of AFL footy today and have both hit the scoreboard in a game we will likely lose by 50+ points. Not sure what else you expect from them at this stage.

1 of those is a developing ruck and aren't exactly notorious for hitting the ground running.

The rest? Yeah maybe, but there's no team in the league with an entire list full of great players. Our bottom handful doesn't account for how utterly shit our performances are.

 

[Lavy_Panther]

Nah. We don't have a list full of blokes who were rounded up from the pub on a Saturday arvo. The vast majority of those players have looked like an AFL player at one time or another.

7 of those have played games for at least one other club and they currently play in a team totally bereft of cohesion and structure that is plagued by a culture of conditional effort.

2 of those are currently playing their first game of AFL footy today and have both hit the scoreboard in a game we will likely lose by 50+ points. Not sure what else you expect from them at this stage.

1 of those is a developing ruck and aren't exactly notorious for hitting the ground running.

The rest? Yeah maybe, but there's no team in the league with an entire list full of great players. Our bottom handful doesn't account for how utterly shit our performances are.

It is not about what players have done in the past or what they could turn into. Right now, those players wouldn’t make it into any full strength 22 except West Coast (and I’d add Richmond as well). Being this far down the road in the rebuild and having such a huge chunk that wouldn’t make another 22 in 2025 shows there is A LOT of hard yards still to be done, whether it’s development or list transition.

 

[Dinkers]

Put players up for trade. Logue, Simpkin, Zurhaar & Powell at a minimum. Hell we should even pay 25% of LDU’s contract and see what we can get for him.

No one who's any good won't come to us FA or trade.

 

[JGreezy]

Trembath, Whitlock and Maley could help to fill that vacant CHF role

 

[DrZaius]

It is not about what players have done in the past or what they could turn into. Right now, those players wouldn’t make it into any full strength 22 except West Coast (and I’d add Richmond as well). Being this far down the road in the rebuild and having such a huge chunk that wouldn’t make another 22 in 2025 shows there is A LOT of hard yards still to be done, whether it’s development or list transition.

That's not the point though. We don't have a game plan that clearly attempts to amplify our strengths whilst minimising our weaknesses so it doesn't matter how many different players we churn through because we are never going to end up with an entire list full of AFL quality. I don't doubt that we have a **** ton of hard yards left, but we've been spinning our wheels in this vicious cycle for years.

 

[LB2Snake]

The main worry is Logue teaching Will Dawson and Whitlock how to defend.