Player Watch #5 Jack Ross

[Crumpet_avenger]

We are weak as piss around the ball. The fact we have an 18 year old kid as our best option is pretty ordinary.
The senior guys really need to have a good look at themselves

 

[Zoom]

We need to get Collier-Dawkins on the juice to fast track his development

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Well maybe he will look out of place cause nobody else was tackling last week

 

[Grechy]

We are weak as piss around the ball. The fact we have an 18 year old kid as our best option is pretty ordinary.
The senior guys really need to have a good look at themselves

Has been a problem for 2 years (even in our premiership year if you look at the stats). It's just become more glaring now. Jack Ross is 18 but he's pretty good at it. Hoping he actually gives us some output in this area because looking at the rest of the list there's really no-one else that can step into that role since we got rid of Conca/Miles.

 

[Teepep]

Ross is certainly our first in line waiting for an opportunity and proving himself at VFL no doubt but unless there’s an injury I don’t see him coming in. Not bad if he keeps working on his craft in the lower grade! Has massive potential, needs to build his tank though!


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[Madtiger2006]

We need clearances. Bring him in right now

 

[SplintWhisky]

Big statement needed from the club to set the tone for the rest of the season. I would love it if we dropped Dusty and said he is being "Managed" but internally say that no matter who you are, if you do not live up to our standards you will be replaced with someone who does.

 

[Grrr]

Big statement needed from the club to set the tone for the rest of the season. I would love it if we dropped Dusty and said he is being "Managed" but internally say that no matter who you are, if you do not live up to our standards you will be replaced with someone who does.

Little bit of an over reaction. Dusty wasn't shocking against Carlton, obviously underdone after cruising through JLT, and he was tagged hard (often illegally but don't get me started on taggers) against Collingwood by Greenwood, and when resting forward, Langdon was big enough and good enough to hold him. No shame there either. You can't drop a player for those reasons.

 

[Waca Jr]

If the kid plays and Caddy doesn't i would expect Dusty to play 80 percent forward 20 percent mid. Either way reckon the kid plays this week anyway.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Little bit of an over reaction. Dusty wasn't shocking against Carlton, obviously underdone after cruising through JLT, and he was tagged hard (often illegally but don't get me started on taggers) against Collingwood by Greenwood, and when resting forward, Langdon was big enough and good enough to hold him. No shame there either. You can't drop a player for those reasons.

That maybe true and I would not drop him BUT a message must be sent that no matter who you are in the team, no tackles is unacceptable. His defensive attempts are simply non-existent.

 

[Grrr]

That maybe true and I would not drop him BUT a message must be sent that no matter who you are in the team, no tackles is unacceptable. His defensive attempts are simply non-existent.

That is true, but to put it in perspective a bit. Cotchin had 1 tackle, as did Lambert, Castagna, Rioli, Vlaustin, Ellis, Markov, Broad, Higgins & Lynch. Edward, Weller, Asbury 0. So he was not on his own in that regard. It was more his lack of chase and closing down space, but he has never been good at that.
Collingwood played the game on their terms, which to me was more a reflection on our coaching.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Bring him in. He’s done enough in the practice games. If GWS get on top in clearances the ball will just keeping coming in to the forward line and with our outs we won’t cope. Prestia, Graham and Dusty need to lift. Nank has more clearances than those three at this point.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Why would'nt you play Ross?!?
He has some form in the VFL and their are enough Mids playing for us for him not to be flogged into the ground and be given a rest!
But then again after last week's effort by our mids maybe he'll end up doing the heavy lifting!

 

[SplintWhisky]

Little bit of an over reaction. Dusty wasn't shocking against Carlton, obviously underdone after cruising through JLT, and he was tagged hard (often illegally but don't get me started on taggers) against Collingwood by Greenwood, and when resting forward, Langdon was big enough and good enough to hold him. No shame there either. You can't drop a player for those reasons.

I think for me it is more about the optics of the player. It doesn't look like he is trying too hard and that is a problem. It is more about a work ethic type thing.

I mean you look at Danger and he rarely looks like he isn't trying his best. I don't think I want Dusty to be another Franklin type player. What I mean by that is a player who just gets through on talent alone but never appears to want to work hard. These players are the types of players that you alway need to cover because you never know when they want to decide to pull their finger out.

 

[richoatthedisco]

We are getting owned badly for clearances.

Are we though? 37-41 v Carlton, 28-31 v Collingwood. So, for quantity, no. Quality of clearance, maybe. Much of that can be put down to our shortarse ruckman rarely winning a hitout to advantage. Imagine Dusty and Cotch roving to Gawn or Grundy. We'd never lose.

Anyway, I agree we need more mid depth. I like Ross. Bring him in.

 

[evo]

Are we though? 37-41 v Carlton, 28-31 v Collingwood. So, for quantity, no. Quality of clearance, maybe. Much of that can be put down to our shortarse ruckman rarely winning a hitout to advantage. Imagine Dusty and Cotch roving to Gawn or Grundy. We'd never lose.

Anyway, I agree we need more mid depth. I like Ross. Bring him in.

Shortarse ruckman is definitely a big problem for us.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Shortarse ruckman is definitely a big problem for us.

I heard a post-match suggestion that we should never play Nankervis against Grundy again. If he's going to get smashed in general play we might as well put Soldo in there and win the hitouts.

 

[evo]

I heard a post-match suggestion that we should never play Nankervis against Grundy again. If he's going to get smashed in general play we might as well put Soldo in there and win the hitouts.

It's not a crazy idea that we start playing Soldo and Nank.

Anyway, at least this week hopefully they select Balta.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

maybe he can teach dusty how to tackle

Charge Dusty 10k per session.
He'll learn quick enough by Saturday.

 

[richoatthedisco]

It's not a crazy idea that we start playing Soldo and Nank.

Anyway, at least this week hopefully they select Balta.

Not both. Just not Nank. Balta a monty to come in, surely.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Honestly I'd drop Prestia for Ross. He needs a serious rocket.

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You don't think Dusty deserves a bigger rocket?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Little bit of an over reaction. Dusty wasn't shocking against Carlton, obviously underdone after cruising through JLT, and he was tagged hard (often illegally but don't get me started on taggers) against Collingwood by Greenwood, and when resting forward, Langdon was big enough and good enough to hold him. No shame there either. You can't drop a player for those reasons.

0 Tackles is a disgrace.No excuse really.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Are we though? 37-41 v Carlton, 28-31 v Collingwood. So, for quantity, no. Quality of clearance, maybe. Much of that can be put down to our shortarse ruckman rarely winning a hitout to advantage. Imagine Dusty and Cotch roving to Gawn or Grundy. We'd never lose.

Anyway, I agree we need more mid depth. I like Ross. Bring him in.

Ya know I luv the guy to bits in Nank.Top 3 in our most important.However I'm hoping this time next year CCJ will become our #1 and Nank becomes our CHF/Ruck.Imagine the likes of pea heart Gone & Grundy facing a fresher Nank in the 2nd half of matches.

 

[Grrr]

0 Tackles is a disgrace.No excuse really.

6 players in the entire 22 had more than 1 tackle. So the lot of them were a disgrace by that measure. We chased arse all game, and Grundy fed the ball down their throats so we chased some more. But yeah, 0 or 1 tackles in a game of footy is very poor.

 

[Grrr]

I think for me it is more about the optics of the player. It doesn't look like he is trying too hard and that is a problem. It is more about a work ethic type thing.

I mean you look at Danger and he rarely looks like he isn't trying his best. I don't think I want Dusty to be another Franklin type player. What I mean by that is a player who just gets through on talent alone but never appears to want to work hard. These players are the types of players that you alway need to cover because you never know when they want to decide to pull their finger out.

He certainly looks like he has lost a bit of interest. Supposedly had a cracking preseason, so maybe it is just a slow start. We'll hang him after Saturday's game if he does the same.