Abortion

[JW Frogen]

And Karl has no problem with this.

Yes, but you have to get Lenny's consent.

 

[Vaders_1st]

Again you miss the point. Pretending it is not killing is a necessary precondition to their believing they can justifiably engage in what is in truth a form of post coital contraception which deliberately prevents the development of a human being.

To abortion apologists free access to consequence free sex is the core of the issue. The "life" issue an irrelevance with questions of morality to be sidelined by use of latinate quasi scientific words like "zygote".

Bingo.

Nail.Hit.Head.

Part of their argument is effectivley like that of Islam sheiks in "boys will be boys" but rather "slappers will be slappers".

Not good enough.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Bingo.

Nail.Hit.Head.

Part of their argument is effectivley like that of Islam sheiks in "boys will be boys" but rather "slappers will be slappers".

Not good enough.

Have you got any basis for this wild opinion or is it just paranoia and Catholic propaganda talking again?

 

[gaelictiogar]

The core to the issue is moving the abortion practice out of backyards and into hospitals. Abortion will happen, that is just a fact. Where it happens, how it happens and who it happens to are the only aspects society can change.

I for one would prefer to see it done professionally in a controlled environment. It minimises the amount of lives lost.

this is not in fact an argument at all.

One could equally argue that pedophilia/rape/genital mutilation of girls etc will always happen so why not control them, tax them and bring them into the ambit of the law where we can then tell ourselves we are responsible?

You will argue that abortion is different. OK if you want it to be different you can argue that it is but if so then use logical argument that is not utterly useless in justifying your position.

 

[gaelictiogar]

In your world, it would appear that "questions of morality" are obective facts with no human input. Please detail some of the conversations you've had with zygotes. Or are you too busy at the bottom of garden in commune with god? Please provide us some recordings of these ethereal conversations as well.

I won't resort to describing you as the male appendage. That would be to elevate your status without warrant. Is there any topic on which you adopt a position other than that embraced by the most radical elements of the Roman church? Have you ever had an independent thought?

Your thought by implication is independent is it? You are probably completely ignorant of the immense philosophical presumption implicit in that position otherwise you would not allow such a thought be posted.

 

[skilts]

Your thought by implication is independent is it? You are probably completely ignorant of the immense philosophical presumption implicit in that position otherwise you would not allow such a thought be posted.

This post was hardly worth the two weeks it took to construct. Not only lacking in originality, but slow as well.

 

[gaelictiogar]

This post was hardly worth the two weeks it took to construct. Not only lacking in originality, but slow as well.

I take it you don't intend to back up your implied assertion that your thought is more 'independent" than mine or indeed anyone elses.

By your own lights you are a step in an evolutionary chain and you think what evolution allows you to think. I suspect you actually agree with this suggestion and regard the notion of "independent" thought as just another fantasy out of the same stable as "free will".

 

[skilts]

I take it you don't intend to back up your implied assertion that your thought is more 'independent" than mine or indeed anyone elses.

By your own lights you are a step in an evolutionary chain and you think what evolution allows you to think. I suspect you actually agree with this suggestion and regard the notion of "independent" thought as just another fantasy out of the same stable as "free will".

If you continually talk like a parrot, it's understandable if people take you to be one.

 

[BomberGal]

Yeah cause they are gonna die giving birth. Oh the horror. Like JW has illustrated, it's an attempt at justifying murder. How about people wear a f%$$% rubber, or don't spread their legs then we all wouldn't have to worry about it.

It's funny how your solution here involves men using protection, but females should stop having sex altogether.

Double standards. Don't be a pig.

 

[Vaders_1st]

It's funny how your solution here involves men using protection, but females should stop having sex altogether.

Double standards. Don't be a pig.

Compulsory Vasectomy. And people having to need a license to breed. Don't go all femenazi on me now.

 

[BomberGal]

Compulsory Vasectomy. And people having to need a license to breed. Don't go all femenazi on me now.

Which you didn't mention first time round, hey?

A license to breed ---> 1984

 

[gaelictiogar]

If you continually talk like a parrot, it's understandable if people take you to be one.

Complete, though predictable, inability to deal with the issue put to you.

I note this inability and won't press you further on it in order to save us both time.

 

[KevinCat07]

Evil prevailed today. Satan has got to the vic government and Bumby is the anti christ.

 

[azreal]

I'd post some of the types of images you are talking about KC, but it would almost certainly earn me a card for showing the truth.

How anyone is ok with a procedure where a unborn's brain is sucked (one of many different procedures) out is sickening to me.

What if the alternative is for an already suffering rape victim is forced to endure a pregnancy and birth? The victim is forced to suffer for months and may never recover psychologically. Is this a better scenario for you?

 

[MacMum]

I am all for abortion, a womans choice etc.....always have been..

I am deadset AGAINST an abortion UP TO 24WKS......that is 6mths pregnant.......babies live if delivered at that stage of pregnancy

Just plain wrong IMO..

Up to 12wks ..yes, but after that, NO WAY!

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I am all for abortion, a womans choice etc.....always have been..

I am deadset AGAINST an abortion UP TO 24WKS......that is 6mths pregnant.......babies live if delivered at that stage of pregnancy

Just plain wrong IMO..

Up to 12wks ..yes, but after that, NO WAY!

Yeah its a bit sickening imo. I'd even go as high as 18-20 weeks but if the child can live anyway, it shouldn't be aborted unless its highly likely that the pregnancy will kill the mother.

 

[mantis]

Evil prevailed today. Satan has got to the vic government and Bumby is the anti christ.

HA HA HA, suck it up, your side lost & about damn time, seeing you so upset has made my day.

 

[mantis]

I am all for abortion, a womans choice etc.....always have been..

I am deadset AGAINST an abortion UP TO 24WKS......that is 6mths pregnant.......babies live if delivered at that stage of pregnancy

Just plain wrong IMO..

Up to 12wks ..yes, but after that, NO WAY!

I think you'll find, that there is a clause for late termination. has to be a threat to the mothers life, it has to have a Doctor saying it is neccessary.

 

[Dry Rot]

Evil prevailed today. Satan has got to the vic government and Bumby is the anti christ.

Look on the bright side: at least you know who the anti christ is and where he is.

What's Satan up to tomorrow?

 

[skilts]

Evil prevailed today. Satan has got to the vic government and Bumby is the anti christ.

An overdue death to coathanger manufacture as well. Brumby is well to the rear of the queue of anti-christs. Christ is dead, and it's about bloody time. He and his sheep have wielded disproportionate influence for far too long. They are now consigned to the obscurity and irrelevance they deserve. Suck up your impotence KC. Just think though, you'll be able to concentrate more fully on your weekly ****ter-bashing thread.

 

[linga_is_no1]

Whatever you think about abortion,this bill has simply gone way to far. I mean 24 weeks, babies live at 24 weeks, these are human beings and we're murdering them, just because people are usually too selfish to wear a condom. Then we've got the referral bit which is against the UN Humans Rights Bill and will be struck down as soon as the bill is passed.

This is a sad day, secularism just doesn't work as it ends up is murder. FFS wear a condom and stop killing people.

 

[KevinCat07]

HA HA HA, suck it up, your side lost & about damn time, seeing you so upset has made my day.

Murder is allowed, and the first thing you can do is laugh about it. Well done, Mantis. What a wonderful person you are. Can you say schadenfreude?

It's about saving lives, not a competition.

 

[KevinCat07]

What if the alternative is for an already suffering rape victim is forced to endure a pregnancy and birth? The victim is forced to suffer for months and may never recover psychologically. Is this a better scenario for you?

I'd bet many of those for abortion would not like to see such images. In fact I doubt they would actually go to a procedure and see it up close. If they don't then they know they really wouldn't be for it.

 

[Midnight Vultures]

Surely if someone wanted an abortion, they can decide they want it well before 24 weeks. This bill is unsettling.

 

[fairdinkum]

Religious nutter: 'You cannot have an abortion. It was YOUR CHOICE to spread your legs'.

Secularist hypocrite: 'You cannot have an abortion that late. It was YOUR CHOICE not to have one sooner'.