Abortion

[Karl Pilkington]

that the way. Dont bother about adressing any of the points just resort to name calling.

It seems you are more concerned with your position on the issue rather than the issue. Keep up the good work.

I don't think you made any point. You never do. I gave you the benefit of the doubt for once, and I was wrong to do that.

You came across as someone who was anti-abortion. I guess now you're stating you're pro-abortion. If that's the case, then I agree with you, so I wouldn't have any reason to refute any of these mythical 'points' you think you made, because if they actually existed, I'd probably agree with them.

 

[skipper kelly]

I don't think you made any point. You never do. I gave you the benefit of the doubt for once, and I was wrong to do that.

Thats weird because I thought by saying "it should be legalised so everyone has a choice" is a fair point. It sounds like a point to me.

and this

Actually when you think about it why do we need laws at all. Laws take away choice.

It looks and sound like a point. Do you agree that laws take away choice. Certainly a law against abortion takes away choice would you think?

and

Survival of the strongest seems logical, doesnt it?

Again it sounds like a point to me or at least something that could be debated. Im sure survival of the strongest has been around longer than the current society.

but

No, maybe we need to protect the weak.

Again sounds like a point to me. Dont you think we need laws to protect the weak and other certain elements of society?

So where it leaves me is the catch 22 where the pregnant woman needs the choice, also the pregnant woman may be the weak in this case ie rape victim etc etc, but also I dont claim to know either way whether that thing inside the woman is a living thing or at what stage it becomes so. So it could also be classified in the weak category.



I know I know and Im sorry that it doesnt fall into your category of delusional bible bashers advocating backyard abortions but I try to use my very limited brain cells (this is something we do agree on) to think through an issue rather than pick up the handbook and be guided blindly by what it says.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Thats weird because I thought by saying "it should be legalised so everyone has a choice" is a fair point. It sounds like a point to me.

and this

It's such a rudimentary statement to make that I thought you were being facetious or sarcastic. Clearly nobody would argue that the main point FOR abortion is choice for young women, making sure they don't go the backyard abortion route.

Your tone in the way you posted it suggested your post, as a whole, was being completely sarcastic. If you didn't mean it to appear that way, you should have written it better.

It looks and sound like a point. Do you agree that laws take away choice. Certainly a law against abortion takes away choice would you think?

and

Laws do not take away choice. Many laws GIVE a choice by legalising procedures.

Again it sounds like a point to me or at least something that could be debated. Im sure survival of the strongest has been around longer than the current society.

but

Yes, and let's go back to making fire using sticks and cannibalism.

Again sounds like a point to me. Dont you think we need laws to protect the weak and other certain elements of society?

Of course we do. It isn't a point, it's just common sense.

So where it leaves me is the catch 22 where the pregnant woman needs the choice, also the pregnant woman may be the weak in this case ie rape victim etc etc, but also I dont claim to know either way whether that thing inside the woman is a living thing or at what stage it becomes so. So it could also be classified in the weak category.

SO to sum up: you don't know, and your opinion is that you don't know.

I know I know and Im sorry that it doesnt fall into your category of delusional bible bashers advocating backyard abortions but I try to use my very limited brain cells (this is something we do agree on) to think through an issue rather than pick up the handbook and be guided blindly by what it says.

What handbook?

I'm just saying your post came across as trying to satirise the pro-abortion stance. I pointed out that the fundamental problem with outlawing abortion is that it does nothing to reduce abortion anyway, it just forces women into having the procedure done in dangerous environments often with deadly consequences.

 

[fairdinkum]

Karl Pinkington 3 skipper kelly 0

 

[skipper kelly]

My point is that you dont know either.

 

[skipper kelly]

Karl Pinkington 3 skipper kelly 0

When you post these sorts of incoherent ramblings, what are you trying to achieve?

I mean, take me, for example. I post to add my thoughts to the discussion, to see if people agree or disagree, have similar views, slightly different, much different. Debate if possible. It also helps me articulate my own thoughts by typing them onto the screen. By reading these threads and contributing, I feel that I am gaining a far better insight into many issues than I would if I were to just read my beloved Age, for example.

But why do you post? You add nothing of insight. It is always the same garbage. You clearly don't care what others have to say. You seem to want others to admire your mystical rantings. Are you drunk?

yep

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

Skip what you must understand is that for the left abortion is not about "Life" but rather "Sex". They are in truth unconcerned by the argument on when life begins or the nature of the foetus and are pro abortion in order to decouple the sexual act from its natural consequences ie childbirth.
The "Life" question is irrelevnat to them since sexual freedom is the nearest thing to a dogma they hold if we exclude their profond belief in their right to expropriate money from the productive to spend on their social engineering programmes.

As an aside I too find noteworthy the reality informing your comment that it is curious that in this area the usual prating about "community" and "interconnectedness" etc with which they justify their tax grabs gets ditched in favour of the language of the right when they have a freedom they want to defend.

Have to agree. If you don't want to face the possibility of abortion, don't sleep around. It's a possibility of happening when you CHOOSE to have sex, you should deal with the consequences of being a nympho.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

My point is that you dont know either.

Scientifically, life begins at conception. I know this, it's a fact.

But that life is about as valuable as bacteria in my opinion.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Have to agree. If you don't want to face the possibility of abortion, don't sleep around. It's a possibility of happening when you CHOOSE to have sex, you should deal with the consequences of being a nympho.

Great story Hansel but it has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[skipper kelly]

Scientifically, life begins at conception. I know this, it's a fact.

But that life is about as valuable as bacteria in my opinion.

Fair enough. Unlike many on here at least you are honest.

 

[JW Frogen]

Scientifically, life begins at conception. I know this, it's a fact.

But that life is about as valuable as bacteria in my opinion.

Yeah, the Nazis said the same thing about Jews, Gypsies, handicapped people and Slavs. (I always confuse the latter two.)

If you are going to kill, and some times you have to kill, do not denegrate the killed simply to make killing easy on you.

Killing should not be easy on you.

Killing is not easy.

When it becomes easy, you have killed your self.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Yeah, the Nazis said the same thing about Jews, Gypsies, handicapped people and Slavs. (I always confuse the latter two.)

If you are going to kill, and some times you have to kill, do not denegrate the killed simply to make killing easy on you.

Killing should not be easy on you.

Killing is not easy.

When it becomes easy, you have killed your self.

Killing a few cells that will one day be human doesn't bother me. Sorry if that hurts your opinion on what killing is, but personally I just don't care.

I'd rather put the rights of a young woman ahead of the rights of a bunch of cells.

If abortion legislation stops a few thousand women from using backyard abortions, and kills a few thousand zygotes in the process, I'm ok with that.

 

[Vaders_1st]

Killing a few cells that will one day be human doesn't bother me. Sorry if that hurts your opinion on what killing is, but personally I just don't care.

I'd rather put the rights of a young woman ahead of the rights of a bunch of cells.

If abortion legislation stops a few thousand women from using backyard abortions, and kills a few thousand zygotes in the process, I'm ok with that.

People who already have already been born usually are. You may as well sympathise with Adolf.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

People who already have already been born usually are. You may as well sympathise with Adolf.

Do you would rather existing people die, and take the potential people with them?

Rather than save the existing people at the expense of the potential people?

At least my method saves just as many as it kills. Your method kills everyone. The Adolf argument is usually the first sign someone has worked out they can't win an argument.

 

[Vaders_1st]

Do you would rather existing people die, and take the potential people with them?

Rather than save the existing people at the expense of the potential people?

At least my method saves just as many as it kills. Your method kills everyone. The Adolf argument is usually the first sign someone has worked out they can't win an argument.

Yeah cause they are gonna die giving birth. Oh the horror. Like JW has illustrated, it's an attempt at justifying murder. How about people wear a f%$$% rubber, or don't spread their legs then we all wouldn't have to worry about it.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Yeah cause they are gonna die giving birth. Oh the horror. Like JW has illustrated, it's an attempt at justifying murder. How about people wear a f%$$% rubber, or don't spread their legs then we all wouldn't have to worry about it.

They aren't going to try giving birth. They are going to try and abort in a backyard op. Statistics show this, you don't reduce abortions by outlawing it, you just move them from hospitals to the backyard.

 

[JW Frogen]

Killing a few cells that will one day be human doesn't bother me. Sorry if that hurts your opinion on what killing is, but personally I just don't care..

The right of some people to kill other people under certain circumstances is one I have repeated on this thread in every post.

But pretending is it not killing, not taking it with the gravity killing requires, is what I have a problem with, even if you do not.

That you do not reveals you do not understand the nature of killing.

 

[fairdinkum]

yep

Oh touche, skipper kelly. You really got me

By the way, you still haven't answered a question I posed to you a long way back - which basically went along the lines of 'are you religious?'.

Interesting that you only seem to take note of the posts of mine which suit you...

 

[Dogga79]

This is very un-conservative of me but I am for abortion up to about the 12 week mark. I don't know why 12 weeks but I figure if you have decided you want to terminate the pregnancy it will have happened by the 12 week mark. Its a womans right to choose and I imagine it must be a hard one. Some of those right to lifers in the states are creepy.

 

[gaelictiogar]

The right of some people to kill other people under certain circumstances is one I have repeated on this thread in every post.

But pretending is it not killing, not taking it with the gravity killing requires, is what I have a problem with, even if you do not.

That you do not reveals you do not understand the nature of killing.

Again you miss the point. Pretending it is not killing is a necessary precondition to their believing they can justifiably engage in what is in truth a form of post coital contraception which deliberately prevents the development of a human being.

To abortion apologists free access to consequence free sex is the core of the issue. The "life" issue an irrelevance with questions of morality to be sidelined by use of latinate quasi scientific words like "zygote".

 

[skilts]

To abortion apologists free access to consequence free sex is the core of the issue. The "life" issue an irrelevance with questions of morality to be sidelined by use of latinate quasi scientific words like "zygote".

In your world, it would appear that "questions of morality" are obective facts with no human input. Please detail some of the conversations you've had with zygotes. Or are you too busy at the bottom of garden in commune with god? Please provide us some recordings of these ethereal conversations as well.

I won't resort to describing you as the male appendage. That would be to elevate your status without warrant. Is there any topic on which you adopt a position other than that embraced by the most radical elements of the Roman church? Have you ever had an independent thought?

 

[JW Frogen]

The very dust of the Universe shall swirl through time echoing these words......'Karl is a killer."

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Again you miss the point. Pretending it is not killing is a necessary precondition to their believing they can justifiably engage in what is in truth a form of post coital contraception which deliberately prevents the development of a human being.

To abortion apologists free access to consequence free sex is the core of the issue. The "life" issue an irrelevance with questions of morality to be sidelined by use of latinate quasi scientific words like "zygote".

The core to the issue is moving the abortion practice out of backyards and into hospitals. Abortion will happen, that is just a fact. Where it happens, how it happens and who it happens to are the only aspects society can change.

I for one would prefer to see it done professionally in a controlled environment. It minimises the amount of lives lost.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

The very dust of the Universe shall swirl through time echoing these words......'Karl is a killer."

And Karl has no problem with this.

 

[JW Frogen]

I for one would prefer to see it done professionally in a controlled environment. It minimises the amount of lives lost.

Now that is how professional killers kill.

If you are going to do something, do it right.