adelaide youngsters vs essendon youngsters

[Smyth94]

FYI McKernan has played an AFL game but that's not the point. McKernan is a massive prospect and Hooker is average at best.

Complete rubbish...Hooker is way ahead of McKernan at this stage

 

[Schulzenfest]

Hooker is shithouse.

 

[Smyth94]

Hooker is shithouse.

Oh dear

He'd comfortably make your best 22

Did you even watch him play this year? When played at CHB played against some top opponents and did reasonably well - he's a 2nd year KPP prospect and he's got a lot of scope for improvement.

He's pretty much outperformed most KPP's his age

 

[cammo6556]

The only reason you claim these bombers to be better players is because your club is so awful, you have no choice but to play them.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Oh dear

He'd comfortably make your best 22

Yeah ... nah. Carlile, Chaplin and Chad Cornes >>>>> Kepler Bradley MKII

 

[cmndstab]

McKernan would have shown more at AFL level if he didn't suffer a broken arm right after his debut (in which he had a reasonable first show). Being that he was able to force his way into our side in his first season as a KPP, when Crows players very rarely play in their first season, and was cut down only by two separate broken arms, I'd say he's got a very promising future.


I feel confident in saying he'll go down as one of the steals of the 08 draft at 28. Pretty foolish claiming it's arrogant to claim that a late-second round pick could be a great player. Two years ago people would have said the same about Tippett after he spent the 07 season injured.

 

[cocobonobo]

I dont understand why people include players who havent played an afl game? because they are just judging on potential from what they have seen in the state leagues and the fact that other supporters wouldnt have as much eposure to viewing their performances.

I believe this discussion/debate should be centered around youngesters who have atleast played and AFL match.

 

[Smyth94]

Yeah ... nah. Carlile, Chaplin and Chad Cornes >>>>> Kepler Bradley MKII

Yeah because your mob is STACKED with young KPPs

 

[Schulzenfest]

Yeah because your mob is STACKED with young KPPs

We are. Thanks for noticing.

 

[Good Win]

I dont understand why people include players who havent played an afl game? because they are just judging on potential from what they have seen in the state leagues and the fact that other supporters wouldnt have as much eposure to viewing their performances.

I believe this discussion/debate should be centered around youngesters who have atleast played and AFL match.

I have tried to do an analysis between the two lists of players that were listed.


Myke Cook - Bachar Houli
Brodie Martin - Heath Hocking
Shaun McKernan - Cale Hooker
Greg Gallman - David Myers
Jarrhan Jacky - Leroy Jetta
Tony Armstrong - Sam Lonergan
Aaron Kite - Jarrod Atkinson
James Moss - Henry Slattery
Phil Davis - Tayte Pears
Rory Sloane - Tyson Slattery

Now that would look about right.

The Bombers however have depth. that is what would get the bombers over the line!

Yep, try telling that to this guy

 

[1990crow]

The fact is, Essendon have finished lower then Adelaide over the past few years so we obvioulsy will have better prospects due to lower draft picks. Adelaide supporters can talk up speculative picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds as 'gems' as much as they want. Fact is Ryder, Gumbleton, Myers and Hurley are all top 7 picks and would of been picked by any team before any of their Adelaide counterparts in their respective drafts.

Unless Adelaide supporters are infering their recruting and scouting people are so superior to Essendon's (which is an extrememley arrogant viewpoint), you can't argue that we would have better quality kids due to their draft positions, and thats the upside to not playing alot of finals recently.

Now that is the type of view that makes you bias. High draft picks don't equal better kids. Just look at Richmond. Maybe given our last few drafts our recruiting department is better than yours given the picks we have been dealt.

 

[cammo6556]

I think numbnuts is forgetting that cupido was a top 7 pick. And look at how fantastic he turned out for you. High draft picks mean nothing if the players you pick are crap.

 

[rusman]

No doubting Cupido was talented not a spud thats for sure but i agree with your argument that draft picks dont measure afl potential/performance however it is much more of a science these days.

This poll is impossible to decide considing the majority Adelades young players havnt played or played few games due to having a few older players still dominating and a good mid aged range (Knights, Porps, Vince etc).

How about we say that adelaide is a lot closer to a premiership contention are premier contenders next year with some improvement IMO. Essendon are on the rise in the next few years and should be outside chance in 2012.

Both fans have every reason to be happy. Im just hopping we can knock you guys off this year afta you dominated us in the finals which flat out hurt to watch

 

[Donakebab]

Cupido was taken at pick 6 by Brisbane, not Essendon. He was traded to Essendon for Blake Caracella because we were unable to fit Blake in our salary cap. Also Cupido was far from crap, quite the opposite, but he was ill disiplined and lazy which lead to his downfall.


Either way, where he was picked has no relevence as Essendon neither used a pick to selected him or as part of a trade, nor is he one of Essendon's youngsters. You fail.

 

[cammo6556]

Cupido was taken at pick 6 by Brisbane, not Essendon. He was traded to Essendon for Blake Caracella because we were unable to fit Blake in our salary cap. Also Cupido was far from crap, quite the opposite, but he was ill disiplined and lazy which lead to his downfall.


Either way, where he was picked has no relevence as Essendon neither used a pick to selected him or as part of a trade, nor is he one of Essendon's youngsters. You fail.

Point taken re trading him in vs drafting him. But wouldn't it be alot of the same staff responsible for screening players. I think essendon have alot of decent youngsters (hurley etc) but some haven't impressed me as much (jetta etc). I would rather take a Davis over a jetta because he has the right attitude, A massive amount of talent and the ability to become a star. Games played aside, some of your youngsters just don't impress me much whereas blokes like davis have the ability to play 250 Quality games, not 87 average ones. Just because your blokes debuted first doesn't make them better players. Sorry to harp on about jetta, first one that came to mind.

 

[Donakebab]

Point taken re trading him in vs drafting him. But wouldn't it be alot of the same staff responsible for screening players. I think essendon have alot of decent youngsters (hurley etc) but some haven't impressed me as much (jetta etc). I would rather take a Davis over a jetta because he has the right attitude, A massive amount of talent and the ability to become a star. Games played aside, some of your youngsters just don't impress me much whereas blokes like davis have the ability to play 250 Quality games, not 87 average ones. Just because your blokes debuted first doesn't make them better players. Sorry to harp on about jetta, first one that came to mind.

I agree about Jetta, but I don't see how the club is to blame for a player being flat out being lazy or not having the right passion to make it such as him or Cupido. All they can go on when drafting is what they see and what they are told. No player is ever drafted with a club knowing that their heart isn't in it.

Also it's a absolutely massive call to say any youngster is going to make it to 250 considering only a handful of players play that many in comparison to how many don't. How about you actually let the kid play a game before you start making stupid calls like that.

 

[cammo6556]

I agree about Jetta, but I don't see how the club is to blame for a player being flat out being lazy or not having the right passion to make it such as him or Cupido. All they can go on when drafting is what they see and what they are told. No player is ever drafted with a club knowing that their heart isn't in it.

Also it's a absolutely massive call to say any youngster is going to make it to 250 considering only a handful of players play that many in comparison to how many don't. How about you actually let the kid play a game before you start making stupid calls like that.

forgive me.?twas slightly inebriated last night. I struggle to be concise with a gutfull of Carlton draught. I wasn't sayin that our kids will play 250. But I'd rather them have a chance at that than playing 87 games of average quality. We are blooding them suffiiently in the sanfl, getting their bodies up to scratch and ensuringbthey have the correct mindset to mental agility to play afl. I'm pretty sure there is some sort of psych testing too to make sure nobody gets the next Lawrence angwin. Again, not picking on jetta specifically but he was the first one that popped to mind. And admittedly, Adelaide do have a player with attitude problems (reportedly) in Jacky.

 

[rusman]

we all have you kids that are lazy, i dont think essendon are banking on Jetta for our Grandfinal hopes in the future

Edit: Also would obviously prefer Davis what was he number 10 pick in a strong draft? KP developing? Rather then jetta whos been on the list for a while yet to break in a position we lack (crumbing forward).

Disagree with others saying he has more potential then pears. Pears has potential to be one of the best defenders in comp. Shown his attacking and defending skills throughout the year beating best in comp whilst also creating run.

 

[Jex]

Since when does Jetta have attitude problems?

 

[edstar10]

You should have only added Watson most of the others aren't much chop, Adelaide Eeeeeeeeeeasy!

um,lonergan,stanton and monfires mate, dont forget about them

 

[edstar10]

HAHAHAHA

oh sh*t i just wet myself... HAHAHAHA


Adelaide by a mile! My god Bomber fans are kidding them selves. They will go backwards in 2010. Knights is a cancer

If in doubt watch the first final again...

haha, lonergan,monfires and most of the rest you highlited are better than EVERY youngester you have, still got second most goals in tac last year and couldnt play because of his studies this year, honestly melbourne supporters shouldnt talk about anwone elses lists EVER!!!!

 

[edstar10]

I have gone over both lists and only used players that have played a minimum of 10 games at senior AFL level and are younger than 25 years old (as of 7th October 2009).

I have then placed them into groups.
3 points for a PROVEN player: who has shown that they can play at the highest level, consistantly getting a game, and at a high level.

2 points for a POTENTIALLY good player: Who has shown to demonstrate that they have the ability to become a very good/elite player at the highest level, some players have been placed into this category even though they have shown that they can play elite football on the big stage, just not consistantly yet.

1 Point for an AVERAGE player: 1 Point has been awarded to players who have been in the system a while and has shwon nothing more than just being a solid player, both sides have there fair share of these, and thus, i find these results fair on both parts.

Here is Adelaide's list:

Proven: (6 Players)
Andy Otten
Kurt Tippet
Bernie Vince
Chris Knights
Jason Porplyzia
Nathan Van Berlo

Potential: (5 Players)
Taylor Walker
Brad Moran
Patrick Dangerfield
Ivan Maric
David Mckay

Average: (4 Players)
Johnathan Griffen
James Sellar
Richard Douglas
Brad Symes

Now here is Essendon's list:

Proven: (6 Players)
Jobe Watson
Brent Prismal
Paddy Ryder
Jason Winderlich
Brent Stanton
Tayte Pears

Potential: (9 Players)
David Zaharakis
Michael Hurley
Cale Hooker
Bachar Houli
Kyle Reimers
Courteany Dempsey
David Myers
Jason Laycock
Heath Hocking

Average: (8 Players)
Jarrod Atkinson
Jay Neagle
Leroy Jetta
Sam Lonergan
Jay Nash
Henry Slattery
Ricky Dyson
Angus Monfries

Totals are in, and it would seem that our younger guys are fairly better than yours, it does help when we blood younger guys and not hold onto our veterans that are holding out team together.

ADEALAIDE CROWS
PROVEN: 6 players/18 points
POTENTIAL: 5 players/10 points
AVERAGE: 4 players/4 points
TOTAL 15 players/32 points

ESSENDON BOMBERS:
PROVEN: 6 players/18 points
POTENTIAL: 9 players/18 points
AVERAGE: 8 players/8 points
TOTAL: 23 players/44 points

So there it is ladies and gentleman, results are in and it would seem that the Bombers group of younger players are par if not better than the Crows younger players.

um, these two aint average