News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[.Shotties.]

It’s the biggest deal in AFL history by far.

I terms of total money, yes, but the total value of the contract isn't as relevant to the per-year total. Dustin Martin was reported as getting 1.2m per year around Franklin's most expensive years, and Richmond were able to bring in Lynch. What was Fyfe reported to be on? 1.1m or 1.2m? Same as McGovern? These aren't worlds away from the majority of Franklin's contact which was reported as 1.2m or less for 6 of the years, with two years being 1.4m and 1.5m. So to circle back to Snuffaluphagus's point, no I don't think the Franklin contract is the sole reason why the Swans have struggled to recruit for the last decade.

 

[LETSGOKANGAS]

Yes. They're seeking priority access.

The club or supporters?

 

[Yoda_]

Agree - no more compromised drafts - if priority picks go then so should father sons & acadmey players etc.

* Geelong FC dislikes this

 

[King Hansen]

If the club you support has received a priority pick/s before, then you can get GTFO of this thread. The double standards on here is embarrassing.

Go do some research if you're too young to know it or just a dumb shit and can't remember.

 

[sydney_gws]

Okay everyone looking at this thread from Qld and NSW, I have a question:

I assume everyone agrees that the northern academy system and the advantages for the clubs involved are only justifiable for a finite period of time.

1) At what point do we say the Swans, Lions, Giants and Suns have to draft in an open market, where there are no matched bids, no discounts? Can you point to a figure, or an achievement?

2) Do you think there's a compelling argument that the Swans and Lions should lose these advantages before GWS and GC? Why?

3) In the meantime, is there any justification for the 20% discount on matched bids, aside from how its also a feature of F/S nominations? Could you get behind removing the discount across the board?

I think for academies, yes, as for father sons. I would set academy discount maybe at 5%, father son at 10%. No more than 3 picks to match, top 10 picks get no discount. Also (or maybe instead of academies) ensure that after 1,2,3 years, if a draftee leaves the signing team must compensate at least 105% of the original draft pick. Can use 2 picks to do so.
Tanner Bruhn could not move for 18, should have been 18,50 as an example or 18 and a future 3rd also allowable. Or Geelong could trade 18 for 24, future 2nd with somebody else and give gws 24 36 for Bruhn.

 

[I Love Lamb]

If the club you support has received a priority pick/s before, then you can get GTFO of this thread. The double standards on here is embarrassing.

Go do some research if you're too young to know it or just a dumb s**t and can't remember.

Don’t think it was the big footy posters handing them out…

 

[King Hansen]

Don’t think it was the big footy posters handing them out…

More reason for everyone to STFU if North do receive them then.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

With due respect, the NGAs aren't like the Northern Academies. I feel like a broken record on this, but there is no WAFL, SANFL, or TAC Cup-level, hell, even decent school football here. The Northern Academies ARE the talent pathway here. What's been put in and what's required isn't the same.

They fall under NSW state of origin rules. I feel like going from "Every NSW player is on NSW lists" to "I don't think these ones count" is progress though! It does highlight again, though, that players from this state don't return. We don't get the benefit or 'homesickness', and never have, predating the academies.

You guys in the last few years alone had O'Maera, Jackson, Clarke, Hogan, Lobb, Brad Hill and McCarthy ask to go home. Some didn't turn out, but at the point they were traded, most were rated highly enough.




Yes, that a combined squad of four states winning their first-ever title with a large input from draftees from QLD is weak evidence that the game in NSW is catching up.

We're discussing the ability to recruit players. The relevant part of the contract is the per-year amounts, as that's what affects the recruiting. A 3 million dollar contract is different if it's over 5 or 3 years. Over the course of Franklin's contract, there have been players with higher per-year amounts than what Franklin was on in a given year.

I think we're just talking past each other at this point. You think the Swans are at a point where, if academies had their access reduced, the Swans would be on even footing with WA and SA teams. I disagree. In any one year, the Swans would probably be unlikely to have access to elite talent from NSW, let alone more than one in the first two rounds and don't and never have benefited from the go-home factor to the extent traditional states. If you want academy and recruiting access to be on the same footing as other states, I would want to see that we would be able to consistently access good, home-state talent at the sharp end of the draft.

I disagree with most of your points and think a lot of them don’t really address what I’ve said but you probably think the same on what I’ve said and we’ve both got better things to do this weekendI don’t want the very top of the draft compromised unless necessary and I don’t see how a club as strong and successful as Sydney needs a leg up over other clubs. The academies would continue even with access at pick 20. If you need the AFL to provide more development in that space well that’s perfectly reasonable and should be provided

 

[botts]

More reason for everyone to STFU if North do receive them then.

You were also one of the only team to get a top nga draft pick before the rules were changed. That should count

 

[I Love Lamb]

More reason for everyone to STFU if North do receive them then.

Classy.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Oh, I don't believe it's realistic either. The AFL can't make quality players (I'm thinking restricted free agent types) join any team.

My point was, for North to become competitive in the next 3 years, you'd need to add half a dozen quality players in the 26 to 28 age bracket. Not keep going back to the draft.

2018, Brisbane finished 15th (after finishing 17th, 17th, 18th).

Instead of going to the draft, we traded in Lachie Neale, Jarryd Lyons, Lincoln McCarthy and Marcus Adams. And that's after adding Charlie Cameron and Luke Hodge the year before. While we had prime aged Daniel Rich, Dayne Zorko, Mitch Robinson, Allen Christensen and Steph Martin. So our 2019 team had a senior core of 11 players. Then we had another 11 players aged between 19 and 23 in the team, that included two second year players and 3 third year players.

We weren't that young a team.


If North are going to keep going back to the draft, you probably don't make the 8 for another 4 years.

I genuinely think the club thought it would be in this position this year but with all that's happened it's gone by the wayside. I know for a fact at least one player that moved in the last off season put off talks with us due to the uncertainty caused by the Hawks saga in relation to Clarkson. We will definitely target mature bodies (whether through the VFL or DFA) but next year and 2025 is when I expect us to solidify what we've got with genuine quality free agents/OOC around a younger core having played their 50-100 games and off the back of a better 2024. Whatever we manage to get via the AFL in the next few months will be the last we ask I imagine.

 

[briztoon]

The two main elements of risk to a contract from a club POV are the yearly amount and the duration.
Getting a player for 9 years on a contract that size was unprecedented and was a massive risk by Sydney.
It’s the biggest deal in AFL history by far.

Is it not somewhat telling that Sydney had to offer the biggest contract in AFL history to get a player to their team.

A very good player, not sure he’s the best to ever move clubs, despite all his achievements.

 

[briztoon]

If the club you support has received a priority pick/s before, then you can get GTFO of this thread. The double standards on here is embarrassing.

Go do some research if you're too young to know it or just a dumb s**t and can't remember.

You know you got some last year right.

 

[King Hansen]

You were also one of the only team to get a top nga draft pick before the rules were changed. That should count

That's not a priority pick. Stick to the subject.

 

[King Hansen]

You know you got some last year right.

Let's not compare that to what was handed out to clubs in the 2000s. We all know this so I don't have to repeat it.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Oh, I don't believe it's realistic either. The AFL can't make quality players (I'm thinking restricted free agent types) join any team.

My point was, for North to become competitive in the next 3 years, you'd need to add half a dozen quality players in the 26 to 28 age bracket. Not keep going back to the draft.

2018, Brisbane finished 15th (after finishing 17th, 17th, 18th).

Instead of going to the draft, we traded in Lachie Neale, Jarryd Lyons, Lincoln McCarthy and Marcus Adams. And that's after adding Charlie Cameron and Luke Hodge the year before. While we had prime aged Daniel Rich, Dayne Zorko, Mitch Robinson, Allen Christensen and Steph Martin. So our 2019 team had a senior core of 11 players. Then we had another 11 players aged between 19 and 23 in the team, that included two second year players and 3 third year players.

We weren't that young a team.


If North are going to keep going back to the draft, you probably don't make the 8 for another 4 years.

And in all the talk about compromised drafts, the top clubs in recent times, are in essence getting top end rated talent via FS and academies for a group of picks in the late 30s and 40s.

And then you have the compromised draw, grounds and time slots.

Those same top end teams might end up with a home final on the basis of drawing North and WCE twice. Fancy getting a leg up in finals because North and WCE end up perpetual byes. The Dogs snatched a finals berth last year by 0.6%.

Major league baseball ended up with certain teams being no more than feeder clubs to the Yankees, and the AFL is heading the same way.

 

[botts]

That's not a priority pick. Stick to the subject.

So every other club should get one. That’s your argument. Shit changes you sooks

 

[.Shotties.]

I don’t see how a club as strong and successful as Sydney needs a leg up over other clubs.

I guess it's how you see it. You see it as a leg up, I see it as an equalisation for the fact that elite, home state talent hasn't otherwise been readily available for NSW clubs either through the draft or through players wanting to return home.

 

[King Hansen]

So every other club should get one. That’s your argument. s**t changes you sooks

How convenient.

 

[sr36]

And our pick 2 will get pushed back for Walter.

And our pick 2 got pushed back for Ashcroft

And our pick 2 got pushed back for JUH.

We’ve been in a position to take all of Daicos, Darcy, JUH, Ashcroft and Walter and haven’t been able to pick any of them despite having the first 2 picks in the draft at each time.

But these are the product of the draft rules - they're not additional off the books benefits to give a struggling club an advantage.

 

[BloodySwan]

With so many kids playing AFL in NSW we must be overrun by NSW kids. Oh, wait!

 

[BloodySwan]

I must have missed when NSW and QLD became powerhouses of AFL development. Seems odd the AFL chose to develop these states through the academies given the massive numbers they produce without academies.

NSW kids account for 60% of the draft and QLD the other 25%, not Victoria and South Australia.

Clubs are constantly drafting NSW kids only for them to call homesickness, or the moment they are drafted they are hounded

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I take it back. Give them the whole draft.

 

[bird_man]

If North get pick 3 and Sanders this will be the biggest disgrace in draft history I’ve ever seen. How can the league allow this? They’ve put themself in this hole. Just be irresponsible with poor list management and you’ll be rewarded.

See Port Adelaide standing up to the AFL. More clubs must follow. If I was a Hawthorn fan in a deep rebuild I would genuinely be fuming.

Good luck to any other club apart from GC and North rebuilding through this draft.

I said this will be the most compromised non expansion draft in history, well it’s going to be as close as those expansion drafts.

I doubt either happens.

They will get something because they really are awful, but McKay won't get a contract close enough that even the AFL can twist it into band one and you can't just cherry pick a kid to give them.

Reckon they dangled the carrot to see how everyone would react, but the fact is they've already been given 2 compo picks. Another 2jd rounder should be about it and that's more than enough.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I doubt either happens.

They will get something because they really are awful, but McKay won't get a contract close enough that even the AFL can twist it into band one and you can't just cherry pick a kid to give them.

Reckon they dangled the carrot to see how everyone would react, but the fact is they've already been given 2 compo picks. Another 2jd rounder should be about it and that's more than enough.

Care to wager on that ? And no another 2nd rounder is not sufficient enough compo for a club in North's position for so long