News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Cleric]

The AFL should give Adelaide a PP for not being a leach on the draft like North have been.

 

[Kings of Lygon]

In other news;

Water is wet!

 

[botts]

In other news;

Water is wet!

God damn it, I knew it!

 

[H00t]

Care to wager on that ? And no another 2nd rounder is not sufficient enough compo for a club in North's position for so long

They are playing like a club that expects they will get handouts if they play terribly.

If the AFL completely took picks off the board. You’d see a much better performance week in week out. As they know they’d have to drag themselves out of this mess.

 

[H00t]

For father sons and academy, keep them but get rid of the discount along with reworking how picks are valued. The top picks should be worth more than they are compared to lower picks.

I’d also make it so teams have to either match with a pick in the first round if the bid is in the first round or have already taken a pick in the draft.

Means teams either have to trade up or stay in the first round and can’t just match with junk picks.

 

[Farang83150]

The AFL should give Adelaide a PP for not being a leach on the draft like North have been.

Not just the draft

 

[Farang83150]

Would absolutely love them to scrap all the added BS/gifts and teams just get their picks in the correct order.
Any sniff of tampering and clubs dropped positions.
Penalties for draftees/manager tampering.

 

[Kings of Lygon]

The F/S and Academy discussion is fascinating and there have been some good discussions in here.

As far as North go, I think it would be farcical to give them unfettered access to a kid who is already going to be selected regardless and furthermore, which would completely break the rules set in place about NGA selections and the first round. You either have rules in place, or you don't.

NGA academies shouldn't be for kids who are already on the path and talented; it should be about investing in young men who rightly or wrongly, are adjudged to be at a disadavantage when it comes to their prospects of playing AFL footy. Be that socio-economic realities, cultural barriers... whatever.

As far as my opinion on F/S and academies goes, I'd see a change in the rules there so there is less manipulation by clubs. You should have to use a selection either in the same round as when your player is bid on or something like within 15 picks for instance to make up the points. No more of this hoarding crappy picks and the points they come with.

I am a HUGE fan of the nostalgia around F/S picks and would like to keep it in our game, it sets us apart from other sporting codes and I personally love it, even though Carlton haven't had a great go of it. Personally, I wouldn't want to see Nick Daicos drafted by anyone other than the Maggies (even though he was a huge Carlton fan), just like I wouldn't want to see Jack Silvagni

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2.9

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176.9

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2.8

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131.4

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wearing an Essendon jumper (shudders) or Will Ashcroft drafted to North.

 

[Farang83150]

The F/S and Academy discussion is fascinating and there have been some good discussions in here.

As far as North go, I think it would be farcical to give them unfettered access to a kid who is already going to be selected regardless and furthermore, which would completely break the rules set in place about NGA selections and the first round. You either have rules in place, or you don't.

NGA academies shouldn't be for kids who are already on the path and talented; it should be about investing in young men who rightly or wrongly, are adjudged to be at a disadavantage when it comes to their prospects of playing AFL footy. Be that socio-economic realities, cultural barriers... whatever.

As far as my opinion on F/S and academies goes, I'd see a change in the rules there so there is less manipulation by clubs. You should have to use a selection either in the same round as when your player is bid on or something like within 15 picks for instance to make up the points. No more of this hoarding crappy picks and the points they come with.

I am a HUGE fan of the nostalgia around F/S picks and would like to keep it in our game, it sets us apart from other sporting codes and I personally love it, even though Carlton haven't had a great go of it. Personally, I wouldn't want to see Nick Daicos drafted by anyone other than the Maggies (even though he was a huge Carlton fan), just like I wouldn't want to see Jack Silvagni wearing an Essendon jumper (shudders) or Will Ashcroft drafted to North.

Or Judd's kids in a Carlton jumper.....

 

[Obeanie1]

As a Freo supporter who has gotten nothing forever and is forever mediocre but not s**t enough to warrant help I'm torn. I truly like F/S's as something different and magical but I'm tired of the bottom teams getting shafted and their is such an insane benefit in a club that is in finals / competing getting a top 4 draft pick at the practical price of a pick in the teens that is creates a massive imbalance.

I think the whole thing needs a sweeping overhaul and my proposals would be:

• For the foreseeable future, GC and GWS get universal access to their academy talent BUT at a limit of only one in the first round each year. Anything more just completely *s the draft. I dont like other teams getting a leg up but if we want these clubs to grow and be self-sustaining then I dont see any other way.
• F/S's should be the same except with the added restriction that a finals side can not match a top 4 bid (might need tweaking with extra teams but you get my drift). The bottom teams getting ****ed on talent is s**t.
• Remove discounts and/or make it that a team must have a pick in the round they want to match the bid. No more matching a pick 8 with 4 picks after 30.
• All other NGAs only applying to after 40s picks is dumb. There is some real good that can come from NGAs in putting effort and time into rural kids or kids from different backgrounds that would struggle otherwise. Does this get basically abused with some questionable eligibility criteria? Sure, but I'm willing to pay that price. All other club academy / NGAs brought up to matching after pick 20
• No more AFL bullshit pick assistance and meddling ever. Find another way, stop ******* other teams in the draft

Sorry Sydney and Brisbane peeps, I just dont think you need assistance anymore, the game is strong enough in your area AND your clubs are strong enough that I dont see any reason you need different rules to WA or SA teams.

Knowledgable Lions posters admit the academy for them is a rort and not needed.

Restrictions to 1 1st rounder and no discounts would address that to a degree.

 

[danster168]

As a Freo supporter who has gotten nothing forever and is forever mediocre but not s**t enough to warrant help I'm torn. I truly like F/S's as something different and magical but I'm tired of the bottom teams getting shafted and their is such an insane benefit in a club that is in finals / competing getting a top 4 draft pick at the practical price of a pick in the teens that is creates a massive imbalance.

I think the whole thing needs a sweeping overhaul and my proposals would be:

• For the foreseeable future, GC and GWS get universal access to their academy talent BUT at a limit of only one in the first round each year. Anything more just completely *s the draft. I dont like other teams getting a leg up but if we want these clubs to grow and be self-sustaining then I dont see any other way.
• F/S's should be the same except with the added restriction that a finals side can not match a top 4 bid (might need tweaking with extra teams but you get my drift). The bottom teams getting ****ed on talent is s**t.
• Remove discounts and/or make it that a team must have a pick in the round they want to match the bid. No more matching a pick 8 with 4 picks after 30.
• All other NGAs only applying to after 40s picks is dumb. There is some real good that can come from NGAs in putting effort and time into rural kids or kids from different backgrounds that would struggle otherwise. Does this get basically abused with some questionable eligibility criteria? Sure, but I'm willing to pay that price. All other club academy / NGAs brought up to matching after pick 20
• No more AFL bullshit pick assistance and meddling ever. Find another way, stop ******* other teams in the draft

Sorry Sydney and Brisbane peeps, I just dont think you need assistance anymore, the game is strong enough in your area AND your clubs are strong enough that I dont see any reason you need different rules to WA or SA teams.

I agree. I can't stand the compromised drafts. Look at the dogs, pies and Brisbane. 3 teams that are basically living at the top due to the father/son rule alone.
I'd abolish the father/son rule all together. After the dees get Kalani White of course (Jeff White's son). lol.

I've never understood why clubs get a discount for picking up a father/son. If a club wants the romance of a father/son player then they should be paying overs what they're worth, certainly not a discount.

 

[danster168]

For father sons and academy, keep them but get rid of the discount along with reworking how picks are valued. The top picks should be worth more than they are compared to lower picks.

I’d also make it so teams have to either match with a pick in the first round if the bid is in the first round or have already taken a pick in the draft.

Means teams either have to trade up or stay in the first round and can’t just match with junk picks.

I agree. it's like pick 1 is a father/son. Club says "no worries guys, pick 24,29,37,39,43, 56, 68. The points match".

 

[Iva Bigun]

North should get s**t and the draft should be uncompromised. No more academes and father sons.

The entire draft is compromised every year with weak as water rules around trading. “I miss my Mum but will only go to club x “ being the biggest rort of all

Get rid of academy’s, father Son, club nomination ( should be state) and 3rd party payments ( include them in the cap).

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The entire draft is compromised every year with weak as water rules around trading. “I miss my Mum but will only go to club x “ being the biggest rort of all

Get rid of academy’s, father Son, club nomination ( should be state) and 3rd party payments ( include them in the cap).

Just get rid of the cap.

Only so many 1 dollar pubs can be bought until it becomes pointless

 

[Iva Bigun]

Just get rid of the cap.

Only so many 1 dollar pubs can be bought until it becomes pointless

Your Eagles are so rich that the Vics heads would explode if that came to fruition

Also would mean half the comp would be perpetually irrelevant and as such revenue would plummet

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

The rules changed for a reason. They didnt get rid of compensation picks to now bring them back in when one fan base is crying for them. As for sanders (not even in norths nga academy yet), thats looking like one of the biggest ports ever.

 

[giantroo]

The rules changed for a reason. They didnt get rid of compensation picks to now bring them back in when one fan base is crying for them. As for sanders (not even in norths nga academy yet), thats looking like one of the biggest ports ever.

Was always in our NGA, just wasn't approved by the AFL to be selected yet.

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[rye]

I agree. I can't stand the compromised drafts. Look at the dogs, pies and Brisbane. 3 teams that are basically living at the top due to the father/son rule alone.
I'd abolish the father/son rule all together. After the dees get Kalani White of course (Jeff White's son). lol.

I've never understood why clubs get a discount for picking up a father/son. If a club wants the romance of a father/son player then they should be paying overs what they're worth, certainly not a discount.

brisbane have been top 4 since 2019

we have only had a father/son player on our list since 2023

what absolute drivel you post as per usual

 

[Dogflogger]

brisbane have been top 4 since 2019

we have only had a father/son player on our list since 2023

what absolute drivel you post as per usual

Brisbane isn't a great example there but the pies and dogs do have a wild amount of father son and academy players on their teams.

 

[FB19]

So the 2 main tenets are how do you access players and how do you secure them.
Access
I think you have to keep father son it is unique and lovely to see the tradition continue.
Academy I think the first round should only be available to expansion sides for their first 20 years. Swans and lions should be at least moved to after round 1 and the remaining clubs should be after round 2 (pick 40 so arbitrary). Long term
All should be moved to only be able to match from round 3 onwards. Expansion sides get some time after round 1 to match before aligning with the rest of the competition.
Matching
First no discounts priority access benefit is enough.
I would limit the number of picks that can be used to match to 2 and first pick match has to be in the same round. That means if suns want to match Walter at 2 they can use pick 5 and then worst case 29. If they don’t have enough points in 2 picks they trade for it or forego the player. This year would force the suns to stockpile early picks or release one or 2 of those players to the open pool.

 

[LETSGOKANGAS]

The F/S and Academy discussion is fascinating and there have been some good discussions in here.

As far as North go, I think it would be farcical to give them unfettered access to a kid who is already going to be selected regardless and furthermore, which would completely break the rules set in place about NGA selections and the first round. You either have rules in place, or you don't.

NGA academies shouldn't be for kids who are already on the path and talented; it should be about investing in young men who rightly or wrongly, are adjudged to be at a disadavantage when it comes to their prospects of playing AFL footy. Be that socio-economic realities, cultural barriers... whatever.

As far as my opinion on F/S and academies goes, I'd see a change in the rules there so there is less manipulation by clubs. You should have to use a selection either in the same round as when your player is bid on or something like within 15 picks for instance to make up the points. No more of this hoarding crappy picks and the points they come with.

I am a HUGE fan of the nostalgia around F/S picks and would like to keep it in our game, it sets us apart from other sporting codes and I personally love it, even though Carlton haven't had a great go of it. Personally, I wouldn't want to see Nick Daicos drafted by anyone other than the Maggies (even though he was a huge Carlton fan), just like I wouldn't want to see Jack Silvagni wearing an Essendon jumper (shudders) or Will Ashcroft drafted to North.

Or Blakey in a Swans jumper

 

[sr36]

Or Blakey in a Swans jumper

Agree. He should be playing for the Lions.

 

[botts]

Or Blakey in a Swans jumper

Yeah. This one would have pissed me off if I was a north supporter. We have Boston Everett as a F/S and he is in the Gold Coast academy. Il spew if he stays up there

 

[BloodySwan]

Or Blakey in a Swans jumper

Why didn't North sign Longmires kids? They played AFL

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Why didn't North sign Longmires kids? They played AFL

There's only been one of age and he's VFL standard (and that's with the neppo factor of he plays for the Swans VFL).