News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[.Shotties.]

If the kid wasn’t playing footy that would be different.

Where the kid was playing footy and simply transferee due to dads work that is different.

Like Hodgeys kids …. They were involved in Aussie rules in Melbourne before they left and transferred. So lions shouldn’t have access via the academy.

Nick Blakey grew up in Sydney, so no, it's not like Luke Hodge's kids.

It's the 2020s not the 1990s. Nick was never not playing footy.

I'm not saying doubt have academies because I agree they do a lot to promote footy. I'm just saying that if two sides have priority access to the same player then maybe default to the one that finished lower

I continually bring up Paul Roos and Michael Voss's kids because they're a prime example of this. Both champions of the games, both sets of kids came up in the 2010s.

Having a dad involved in football is secondary or tertiary to having a good development system.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Nick Blakey grew up in Sydney, so no, it's not like Luke Hodge's kids.

I continually bring up Paul Roos and Michael Voss's kids because they're a prime example of this. Both champions of the games, both sets of kids came up in the 2010s.

Having a dad involved in football is secondary or tertiary to having a good development system.

We've had about 6 eligible father sons come through in the last few drafts. We just delisted the last one. All had access to the Falcons system etc.

Plenty just don't make it

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

We've had about 6 eligible father sons come through in the last few drafts. We just delisted the last one. All had access to the Falcons system etc.

Plenty just don't make it

I agree, some don’t!

I just don’t think the academy system should be abused. It was meant to attract kids who wasn’t playing footy. Not steal kids who were playing footy.

 

[sr36]

Firstly, the academies were there to provide an elite pathway into the AFL where it didn't previously exist, not that the players would have otherwise have no idea what the sport was.

As for the bold, being the son of an AFL player in NSW doesn't mean anything
If a child was going to do well because their dad played, xplain why the kids of other AFL players who grew up in, say, Wollongong and further North didn't produce a single player until the academies.

Not sure why you're arguing. The draft itself is designed to give bottom teams a leg up. The academy rules are designed to give the Northern clubs a leg up.

So far we've gotten a really even comp out of the combination of draft rules and salary cap. If the Northern clubs have a period of dominance, the complaints will prove to be justified, but until then with the even comp evidence, I think the AFL are doing well

 

[danster168]

well the draft is compromised but it's not like the competition is fair or even anyway.

 

[.Shotties.]

I agree, some don’t!

I just don’t think the academy system should be abused. It was meant to attract kids who wasn’t playing footy. Not steal kids who were playing footy.

It's meant to provide a pathway to football for kids.

We've had about 6 eligible father sons come through in the last few drafts. We just delisted the last one. All had access to the Falcons system etc.

Plenty just don't make it

Yes, this is my point. Being the son of an AFL player doesn't guarantee anything.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Nick Blakey grew up in Sydney, so no, it's not like Luke Hodge's kids.

I continually bring up Paul Roos and Michael Voss's kids because they're a prime example of this. Both champions of the games, both sets of kids came up in the 2010s.

Having a dad involved in football is secondary or tertiary to having a good development system.

Blakey would have gone to a Melbourne school. Same as Roos or Voss' kids if they had sporting ability.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It's meant to provide a pathway to football for kids.

Yes, this is my point. Being the son of an AFL player doesn't guarantee anything.

Your academy didn't clap Nick Blakey into existence

 

[LoBu]

And our pick 2 will get pushed back for Walter.

And our pick 2 got pushed back for Ashcroft

And our pick 2 got pushed back for JUH.

We’ve been in a position to take all of Daicos, Darcy, JUH, Ashcroft and Walter and haven’t been able to pick any of them despite having the first 2 picks in the draft at each time.

We’ve been penalized more than anyone.

No, Adelaide selected JUH not North.

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[.Shotties.]

Blakey would have gone to a Melbourne school. Same as Roos or Voss' kids if they had sporting ability.

"He would have just left the city he grew up in and moved to another state if he wanted to play elite football" isn't really a great argument

 

[.Shotties.]

Your academy didn't clap Nick Blakey into existence

No, it provided him a pathway which, if it wasn't there, meant that statistically he wouldn't have made it into the AFL, just like, uh... every former AFL players' kids who grew up north of Wollongong.

 

[sydney_gws]

It can be fixed. If a club gets access to a good player via academy, father son they are supposed to miss out on other players.
This needs to be made to happen, stop junk picks being used to match.
Make a rule you can only use 3 picks to match.
Also, remove the points discount, but instead load the picks used to match.
For example , for a father son picked at 1, 3000 points is needed.
Picks 1-10 get a 20% loading, 11-20 10% loading, 21 -30 5%, after 30 no loading.
Other ideas also have merit.
If a club had picks 8,26,44,
It probably just uses them to match, maybe trades 8,44 for 14,32, a future 2nd
and matches with 14,26,32.
They get a small benefit, the future 2nd.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

No, it provided him a pathway which, if it wasn't there, meant that statistically he wouldn't have made it into the AFL, just like, uh... every former AFL players' kids who grew up north of Wollongong.

I do not agree at all with this. Blakey was naturally talented and had a dad who was an afl coach. If the swans academy didn't exist he would still make it.

The guys like Oscar Brownless could spend a decade in the Falcons and still wouldn't.

 

[.Shotties.]

I do not agree at all with this. Blakey was naturally talented and had a dad who was an afl coach. If the swans academy didn't exist he would still make it.

First of all, you have no clue about how naturally talented he was. Secondly, there have been other players who have dominated at local club level and who had fathers who were AFL coaches. Senior coaches to boot.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

"He would have just left the city he grew up in and moved to another state if he wanted to play elite football" isn't really a great argument

Argument for what? Players do it every year, including players in northern academy zones.

 

[.Shotties.]

Argument for what? Players do it every year, including players in northern academy zones.

You know, I'm actually not sure what point you were making with that comment.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

You know, I'm actually not sure what point you were making with that comment.

Kids leave academy zones to play footy in Melbourne schools all the time. Nick Blakey would have a pathway with or without Sydneys academy. Just because a few father son eligible players didn't make it doesn't mean NSW based father son eligible players wouldn't make it without an academy.

 

[.Shotties.]

Kids leave academy zones to play footy in Melbourne schools all the time. Nick Blakey would have a pathway with or without Sydneys academy.

Oh. I did understand it."Of course he had a pathway, here just had to to a city 800k away, simple!".

Love the disingenuous use of "Academy zones" too.

Just because a few father son eligible players didn't make it doesn't mean NSW based father son eligible players wouldn't make it without an academy.

No, not some. Literally all before the academies.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Oh. I did understand it."Of course he had a pathway, here just had to to a city 800k away, simple!".

Love the disingenuous use of "Academy zones" too.

No, not some. Literally all before the academies.

It's not disingenuous at all. Loads of NSW kids, QLD kids, NT kids and Tasmanians move to Melbourne to play school footy. Most of them are in academy zones.

Was Charlie Spargo developed in an academy?

 

[.Shotties.]

It's not disingenuous at all.

It is.

Loads of NSW kids, QLD kids, NT kids and Tasmanians move to Melbourne to play school footy. Most of them are in academy zones.

Name the academy kids north of Wollongong who moved to Melbourne. I doubt most of them moved to play school footy. With regards to the kids I imagine you're referencing from the lower Riverina, I have severe doubts that they moved to Melbourne solely to play school football.

Anyway though, names.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

It is.

Name the academy kids north of Wollongong who moved to Melbourne. I doubt most of them moved to play school footy. With regards to the kids I imagine you're referencing from the lower Riverina, I have severe doubts that they moved to Melbourne solely to play school football.

Anyway though, names.

So Charlie Spargo doesn't count because it doesn't suit your narrative on father sons and you want to move the goal posts.

How private schools have taken over the AFL

Research shows boys who go to a private school are almost four times more likely than those educated in the government system to be on an AFL list. The national draft will reinforce the trend.

www.theage.com.au

You are just showing that you don't really know much at all about this stuff. They take scholarships at Melbourne schools to get drafted.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

How many clubs have a chance of winning the homesick lottery? Odds stink for NSW and QLD clubs

How many players have walked out of sydney swans, brisbane last 5 or so years, WCE and adelaide??

It seems selectively an issue for poorly run clubs like GWS and GCS, which has nothing to do with handing out concessions.

 

[.Shotties.]

So Charlie Spargo doesn't count because it doesn't suit your narrative on father sons and you want to move the goal posts.

It's outside what was being discussed. This is why I said you were being disingenous

And no, Spargo (who lived in Albury and was part of he Giants academy from 12 and the Bushrangers, who'd had made multiple state teams before moving to Melbourne to finish his schooling) doesn't count because it doesn't relate to the original point I was making about players in Sydney and further north.

There have literally been players of AFL coaches sons up in the northern states who've crushed the local competitions, but you think for some reason without the academy, Blakey would have been the first to make it? Based on what?

Anyway, who are these Queensland academy products who moved to Melbourne to play school football?

You are just showing that you don't really know much at all about this stuff. They take scholarships at Melbourne schools to get drafted.

Jesus Christ. People aren't moving from academy areas to solely play for High school football teams. Most draftable academy players (who are, again, entirely from traditional football areas) who move for a scholarship would already be in a system.

But one more time just to make sure it's there: who are the academy players moving to Melbourne?

 

[BloodySwan]

Kids leave academy zones to play footy in Melbourne schools all the time. Nick Blakey would have a pathway with or without Sydneys academy. Just because a few father son eligible players didn't make it doesn't mean NSW based father son eligible players wouldn't make it without an academy.

This is a hilariously bad take.

Swans argument: without the academy there isn't a pathway to develop talent in NSW
Your argument: that's not true, they can move outside of NSW!

Do you hear yourself?

 

[BloodySwan]

How many players have walked out of sydney swans, brisbane last 5 or so years, WCE and adelaide??

It seems selectively an issue for poorly run clubs like GWS and GCS, which has nothing to do with handing out concessions.

Geelong have benefitted from the go home factor more than anyone else is late. Yet you claim your club is at a disadvantage?