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You can only match with as many picks as you have open list spaces.
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Absolutely we are. We are one of thr only sides in the AFL that doesnt get to play home finals at our home ground and is forced to play away home games.
If we start trying to factor into equity “go home factors” then the game is turning into a laugh. WCE and sydney have never had issues with retaining players, if anything it is the opposite, they go out headhunting all the time.
Do you think it is a coincidence the poor performing teams are the ones losing players to this “go home” thing your carrying on about??
Management and culture are why these players leave which is not really often when you add it up. Nothing ridiculous likd the astronomitxal intake of the academies.
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If you believe Sydney has never had an issue with homesickness it shows how little you know on the subject
Who are these gun players who have walked out the past decade??
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Happens to all clubs, this off season hawthorn will lose Brockman for a token pick due to homesickness. A player they took a punt on late in the draft who looks likely to explode; and hawthorn will get shafted. It's just that the AFL does not provide hawthorn with an academy based in Melbourne's Eastern Ranges giving them priority access to players.
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Geelong also are the only side in the competition with ~9 home games played with a home ground advantage while also only travelling interstate ~6 times a year.
The issue is that the system is (supposedly) designed so that teams are supposed to have cycles where they're down at the bottom of the ladder and some when they're at the top.
Brisbane were hemorrhaging young players when they were in their bottom of the ladder part of the cycle, but have been able to retain most of them during period at the top. Will be interesting to see what happens when Brisbane eventually goes back down again, because we are a better run club now than 10 years ago.
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Cool story
Ok so you have lost nobody despite plenty of interstate players on your list. So there is no such thing as a go-home problem for Sydney. If anything your club is one of the most notorious player poachers up there with Geelong.
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I might re state my position a little here. I dont have an issue with academies being run, great concept. What i have an issue with is right now its being used as a developmemt vehicle to benfit certain teams in targeted growth areas the AFL wants to see succeed. If its actually about “growing the game” then let all the otjer clubs have access to the same regions and develop their own academies. More money and resources from other clubs will grow the game even faster.. But its obviously not about that, its about having these select few clubs remain competitive to attract more members and money in these states.
And btw the system does work, Geelong is just a freakish outlier, and i truly believe we have just had in that period one of the best recruitment teams, management teams, and coach. Talent does play a huge part. Stephen wells has managed to nab alot of very good players for us with late to rookie picks over the years which is phenominal... Scott is just brilliant, and hocking and Brian Cook are some of the best in the business.
Will brisbane leak players as a bottom club?? I imagine club culture and management will play a huge role in that, like any other club having retention issues
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- Oct 31, 2016
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That can be manipulated though.
Limiting to 3 picks ( if you don't have the points with your 3rd pick, I would allow the following years 1st to be used, with a points loading to apply) , will stop junk picks bring used.
If clubs find a way to exploit badly the 3 picks method , make it 2 picks.
The first few pages of this is a fun read given that...
- McKay is apparently getting clear band 1 offers over $800k
- Sanders is in North's NGA
- Essendon are apparently manipulating the system with St Kilda to get them band 1 compo for Gresham
I do think that part of the existence of academies in NSW and Queensland is to address the disadvantage of having more of your list from interstate than clubs from traditional AFL states (which the additional salary cap from the early 00s for Brisbane and Sydney was also aimed to address)
I can't be bothered counting, but I'm betting that the proportion of Geelong's list that is from Victoria is higher than the portion of Brisbane's list from Queensland. Without the academy, the discrepancy would be higher.
Do we actually want our game returning to zones?? Because that is the idea your floating. You cant have a system where NSW and QLD have exclusive zones filled with first and second rounders every season which has been the extent of academies benefits... Which is way way head and shoulders above F/S or go home factors... As i said previously, the GWS/Sydney academy intake the past decade is more than all the F/S picks in the AFL combinef in that period with ease.
Its astronomical the advantage. We are not talking a player or two sporadically like a F/S rule.. Which btw sydney and brisbane have been around easily long enough to have and you do ( ashcroft). We are talking year in year out 3-5 players from the first and second rounds going to academies.
Again, lets all help develop the game in these states by putting academies from all clubs to help fast track this problem your raising. If its a go homd problem, then the ones who end up in vic academies will want to return home surely??
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Midway through the 2020 season AFC was branded one of the worst AFL clubs to field a team in ages. Only winning 3 matches near the end of the year I believe to gain some level of respectability. Did they receive a PP?
NO.
What they have done is recruited well, been coached well and were a bad goal umpire's decision away from making finals 3 years later.
No way in hell should NM get anymore AFL handouts. They're not an expansion club with disadvantages, they are a Melbourne based club that appear to have been poorly managed.
NMFC, drag yourself out of the hole you've dug for yourself and then you can gain some respect.
NO.
What they have done is recruited well, been coached well and were a bad goal umpire's decision away from making finals 3 years later.
No way in hell should NM get anymore AFL handouts. They're not an expansion club with disadvantages, they are a Melbourne based club that appear to have been poorly managed.
NMFC, drag yourself out of the hole you've dug for yourself and then you can gain some respect.
You'd think with the "astronomical" advantages granted to these clubs, they'd have collectively won more than one premiership since academies were introduced.
Brisbane is the highest finishing of the sides with a Northern academy after the H&A season, and from memory we've only had one top 20 pick academy player (Hipwood who went pick 14). Hardly "filled with first and second rounders every season" like you claim. The only other first round pick the Lions academy has produced was Blake Coleman who went pick 24.
If anything, we've seen three Victorian clubs have periods of dominance in the last 15 years or so. Maybe more should be done to assess for any "astronomical" advantages.
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This years all australian team
1x Academy selection
3x father son selections
1x go home factor
Last years all australian
2x academy selections
1x father son
2x go home factor
2021 All Australian
0x academy selections
1x father son
2x go home factor
2020 All Australian
1x academy selection
1x father son
1x go home factor
That's going through the best years of academy representation. You must have this different dictionary to the rest of us
What a weird bizzare thing to post. There are give or take 800 AFL players listed, and you just gave a quote of 22.
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Show me the astronomical advantage you're talking about
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I will let you answer this one with some questions. How many academy selections has sydney and GWS had in the past decade?
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Show me the advantage you are claiming with no backup
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You've got an exciting batch of young kids courtesy of AFL rules that are designed to give teams down the bottom a big advantage. But we want more...
No, he isn't.
No, it hasn't.
I don't know what you mean by intake. Drafted by those clubs?
No we aren't. For the last 5 years, there have been:
- 1 in 2022
- 2 in 2021
- 2 in 2020
- 2 in 2019
- 3 in 2018
Dawson, Membrey, Mitchell, Nankervis to name a few.
As others have said with NGA's and F&S
The points allocation is farcical. Clubs trading in a bunch of late picks to get access to a top 5 pick player which is not even remotely close to its actual worth and then also getting discount as well
The points allocation is farcical. Clubs trading in a bunch of late picks to get access to a top 5 pick player which is not even remotely close to its actual worth and then also getting discount as well
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I don’t have a problem with expansion clubs being given draft concessions. Significant ones early on, gradually getting less significant over the first few years are entirely appropriate and necessary. If it’s decided that academies are a healthy part of this, no problem. Tasmania will get something similar. Only problem I have with them is that they don’t have an end date. Once established, they should receive no advantages, and the AFL’s desire to continue to support these teams, and to a lesser extent Sydney and Brisbane, is the only reason that we now find ourselves in the NGA Academy mess. They were the AFL’s response to the clubs whining about the northern academies. We moved away from draft zones for a reason. Returning to them is so ridiculous. All they do is codify inequality, which is the exact opposite goal of a draft. Father-Son nonsense likewise. The sooner we get rid of this garbage, the better. Same goes for FA compensation and priority picks/AFL assistance as well.
The only reasonable argument for NGA’s is the ‘keeping the best athletes from non-AFL states playing footy’ one. The belief is that if you can incorporate these kids into elite programs and pathways, and even pay them a small salary (which does happen) for doing so will have them choose AFL over their other sporting options. Seems to work on some level, hard to measure, but I’ll give it that. Why do these elite programs/pathways have to be tied to an individual club though? Why doesn’t the AFL itself run the academies where they are needed and then the graduates from them just go into the open draft pool like everyone else? Solves the ‘talent drain’ problem without compromising the draft
The only reasonable argument for NGA’s is the ‘keeping the best athletes from non-AFL states playing footy’ one. The belief is that if you can incorporate these kids into elite programs and pathways, and even pay them a small salary (which does happen) for doing so will have them choose AFL over their other sporting options. Seems to work on some level, hard to measure, but I’ll give it that. Why do these elite programs/pathways have to be tied to an individual club though? Why doesn’t the AFL itself run the academies where they are needed and then the graduates from them just go into the open draft pool like everyone else? Solves the ‘talent drain’ problem without compromising the draft
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