News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Art Vandelay_]

your coach has been coaching his brother i see

i like this

Was a joke given our 2nd pick this year is 81 so this shit clearly has no bearing on us lol

 

[Ge3ks]

North!

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Now you can also add in...



First pick of R2 should be - pick 19
First pick of R2 will be - ≈ pick 27

I've sat back and kept my mouth shut as much of this has unfolded, but it's getting beyond ridiculous now. The amount of academy/priority/FA compo picks are making the draft complete & utter joke. West Coast needs as much new talent as possible to rejuvenate its list. What should be a pick in the late teens is now pushing towards pick thirty, and with each pick further back into the twenties it becomes more & more speculative.

Is it time to blow it up & start again?

Round 1 of the draft should be 18 picks only and that’s all. All priority and compensatory picks come at the start of the 2nd round etc. Regardless of matching bids for f/s and academy players the draft order remains the same. If Kangas bid on Walter at 2 and the Suns match the next pick is still no.2 and is made by the Kangas. The Suns simply match Walter with their ensuing picks. Pick shuffling would never change the 1st round of the draft.

 

[Lore]

ergh
thats gonna mean it goes longer than the brownlow on fox

Not quite so bad as that – End of first round picks are on the start of Day 2.

And on the plus side, the 3rd round will only be like 12 picks based on recent history.

One of these days, Day 2 will be shorter than Day 1.

The worst part is the 5 minute scheduled wait between picks even when they know who they want. Hopefully that only applies to the top 10 this time.

 

[Orange Agent]

Clubs need to be planning years ahead. Everybody could of guessed something similar at trade week last year. You should be asking why is you list management team so asleep at the wheel.

 

[Barunga Bullet]

There is no set rule in place that says "this size contract will get you Round 1 compo". The AFL make it up. If you're a bottom side you will get good compo, if you're mid to top, you'll get less. you only have to look at previous years.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

No, he isn't.

No, it hasn't.

I don't know what you mean by intake. Drafted by those clubs?

No we aren't. For the last 5 years, there have been:

• 1 in 2022
• 2 in 2021
• 2 in 2020
• 2 in 2019
• 3 in 2018

Dawson, Membrey, Mitchell, Nankervis to name a few.

1/3rd of your team is made up high end drafted academy players. Between GC/Sydney/GWS/Brisbane there has been more northern academy draftees in the last decade than the rest of the other 14 clubs have received in F/S selections…

4 clubs have had more academy selections than 14 others father son picks in the entire period with absolute ease… almost doubling the amount to be honest.

The northern academies are simply there to give a huge leg up to developing states to remain competitive.

It needs to go, or if it’s actually about development (which it’s not) then let all the other clubs expedite the process and build academy programs in the same regions all over.

 

[.Shotties.]

1/3rd of your team is made up high end drafted academy players.

...starting with a clear and easily verifiable falsehood. I'll stop there.

 

[Obeanie1]

There are several problems that you don’t solve all at once.
The easiest is remove the discount. Priority access is enough advantage.
The next is bid matching allowing early picks to be matched with loads of junk late picks has to go. Would introduce a rule forcing the maximum number of picks that can be used to 2 to force the use of decent picks.
With the rules above remove the pick 40 arbitrary restriction. you should be able to draft anyone from your academy system but also pay fair whack.
Free agency compo needs to go even though it hurts the lower clubs. The idea that giving up the cap space is enough is laughable. The compo calculation needs to become transparent and then used to determine value that the receiving club needs to give up to secure the free agent. Same rules as above no more than 2 picks to match the valuation. Make the rules easier to understand clearer and logically consistent.

Good suggestions.

Access to academy kids for bottom 4 teams should be the same as the Qld and NSW teams.

For FA compo simple fix is no 1st round compensation linked to your finishing position. Then all this BS like the Saints and Essendon contriving a result just doesnt happen.

Players get ranked and its either an end of 1st or 2nd rounder linked to your 2nd round finish. These are FA's who have done their time so 1st round picks shouldnt be created

 

[geelong_crazy26]

...starting with a clear and easily verifiable falsehood. I'll stop there.

Your best 22 is made up of mills, heeney, gulden, blakey, Warner, cunning, cambell, wicks ( borderline).

So that’s 7-8 of your b22 from academies.

 

[.Shotties.]

Your best 22 is made up of mills, heeney, gulden, blakey, Warner, cunning, cambell, wicks ( borderline).

So that’s 7-8 of your b22 from academies.

Hahaha, you ****ing idiot. What happened to "high end?" You've even got two players in there who weren't academy picks and available in the open draft.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Th

Hahaha, you ******* idiot. What happened to "high end?" You've even got two players in there who weren't academy picks and available in the open draft.

They were all apart of your academy and heeney mills and blakey cambell were all top ten picks. You are incredibly emotional about this.

The academy will be gone soon. The noise will grow and fairness and equity will kick in to make the draft fair again for all.

 

[.Shotties.]

Th

They were all apart of your academy

They weren't though.

and heeney mills and blakey cambell were all top ten picks.

So, not one third of our best 22?

You are incredibly emotional about this.

Okay mate, post another long, poorly spelt and inaccurate post about it.

 

[Caligo]

They were all apart of your academy and heeney mills and blakey cambell were all top ten picks. You are incredibly emotional about this.

The academy will be gone soon. The noise will grow and fairness and equity will kick in to make the draft fair again for all.

Cunningham was open draft I think. Not sure about Wicks. Category B maybe?

 

[.Shotties.]

Cunningham was open draft I think. Not sure about Wicks. Category B maybe?

And Warner from Western Australia. The brain worms have done such a good job on some people they instantly think "Good young Swans player = academy".

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Cunningham was open draft I think. Not sure about Wicks. Category B maybe?

Cunningham was part of the GWS academy who went to Sydney. So yes technically open drafted academy player. Warner I read was academy but a second look says no. So 5/22 currently from academies in your best 22… which mills heeney blakey cambell are all top 10 pick worthy.. mills and heeney arguably were pick 1-2 and blakey slipped due to being F/S.

Outside of geelong for a couple of seasons WB and collingwood, father sons are hardly a problem in the draft.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

They weren't though.

So, not one third of our best 22?

Okay mate, post another long, poorly spelt and inaccurate post about it.

Here go the emotions again. You don’t handle debating this well.

Cambell, heeney, mills, blakey, would have all gone picks 1-5 in an open draft, and you got handed them all sitting in the top 8. Massive advantage. Throw in gulden and wicks which is 6/22 b22 players currently from academies.

More academy graduates have come from northern academia in the past decade by almost double than the number of F/S picks in the entire 14 other clubs….

To say you need academies because of father sons is a laughing joke. And Sydney and Brisbane benefit from father sons anyway. Both have been around long enough.

 

[Dockeroo]

Points being valued right down to late 60s is a farce when only 50 odd players are picked in the draft.
It’s a relic of an era when 70 players were Picked in the ND.
A new sliding scale of points from picks 1-45 needs to be brought in.
Pick 46 should be worth zero points.

Then clubs matching bids are genuinely giving up something meaningful to do so.

 

[.Shotties.]

Here go the emotions again.

Try calming down before you post then.

Cambell, heeney, mills, blakey, would have all gone picks 1-5 in an open draft, and you got handed them all sitting in the top 8. Massive advantage.

That would be Blakey who got a bid at 8?

Throw in gulden and wicks which is 6/22 b22 players currently from academies.

What happened to 1/3 of the first 22 being from "high end picks"? Your argument keeps shifting.

I guess at least you're not including one of the open rookie picks and the West Australian now.

To say you need academies because of father sons is a laughing joke. And Sydney and Brisbane benefit from father sons anyway. Both have been around long enough.

No one has said this.

 

[sydney_gws]

Lowering the discount to 10%, reducing the picks used to match to 2 or 3 will help alot I think.
The 10% would be justified to stop clubs bidding unfairly just to make the team pay.
Heeney and Mills should have cost 3 first rounders and 2 seconds between them.
I do acknowledge GWS did very well in rhe 2015 draft.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Points being valued right down to late 60s is a farce when only 50 odd players are picked in the draft.
It’s a relic of an era when 70 players were Picked in the ND.
A new sliding scale of points from picks 1-45 needs to be brought in.
Pick 46 should be worth zero points.

Then clubs matching bids are genuinely giving up something meaningful to do so.

If you want a realistic points system. You shouldn’t be allowing anything to occur that wouldn’t realistically be done in a trade scenario. If you have a top 5 bid, then allowing pick 30 to be used would never cut it… you should be forced to use 2x firsts to get it done.

Example pick 5 bid = 2x firsts (12+17). Which is a realistic hand over. It forces the academy teams to actually give up real equivalents to get the players whether that means trading b22 to get it done then so be it.

 

[FB19]

It’s seems pretty simple on bidding. No discount priority access is the advantage. 2 picks to match only or you can’t match. Only Northern academies should be for expansion clubs for one generation to establish. Rest of the comp supports the Next Gen academy system to develop players ready for AFL. Access only to players from indigenous or multicultural backgrounds as was intended. These words are the AFLs own definition.

 

[.Shotties.]

It’s seems pretty simple on bidding. No discount priority access is the advantage. 2 picks to match only or you can’t match. Only Northern academies should be for expansion clubs for one generation to establish.

I think academies for any team that's had to build a list of >80% interstate players for multiple decades.

 

[FB19]

I think academies for any team that's had to build a list of >80% interstate players for multiple decades.

40 years for the swans. How much longer?

 

[Caligo]

I think academies for any team that's had to build a list of >80% interstate players for multiple decades.

Wouldn't that be every non Victorian team? I am comfortable with academies being limited to teams in non football states (like it is now).

The two changes I would make would be not having father sons be gazumped by academies (the blakey rule) and having to use a draft pick from the same round as the player you are taking (no more using 4 thirds to get pick 1, the JUH rule).