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They're all related....The AFL has been clear (well....as clear as they get) that they want the same system for FA/NGA/Academies.
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They're all related....The AFL has been clear (well....as clear as they get) that they want the same system for FA/NGA/Academies.
Great so northern academies will have the same eligibility requirements for NGA?
Did Tex Wanganeen's Xavier College fees come out of your soft cap? Every club has their tricks. If you didn't you'd get left behind and end up at the bottom.
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Does the humidity affect your cognitive function up there or something?
Find me one post where I have advocated for getting rid of academies. The claim that the clubs "fund the academies" is bullshit. Trying to justify how hard done by you are and therefore that warrants an extra $5-10m of central funding and then claiming you fund something is peak hypocrisy. Arguing that distorting the draft is good for the game is opinion but pretty disingenuous. I follow the NBA and a top player not being from the US used to be a rarity. The last 5 seasons have been 3, 3, 4, 4, 3 players in the starting 5 of the All NBA first team that are from outside the US. There hasn't been an American MVP since 2018. Two of the last 3 #1 picks in the draft have been from France. In 2024 picks 1, 2 and 6 were from France, pick 9 from Canada, 11 from Lithuania, 12 from Serbia... Imagine sitting there with a straight face arguing that Ant Edwards and Cooper Flagg are available to whoever finishes last but Wemby and Risacher can only go to New Orleans because they are French - that's what you lot do.
The entitlement of Brisbane fans since they've started winning is something I certainly didn't see coming.
Not sure what all the sooking is about TBH. If a son wants to play for his dad's team so desperately then nothing is stopping them trading for him when his 1st contract is up or the club is forced to trade up in the draft.
Isn't this all about trying to make it a bit fairer? What's fairer than getting teams to trade?
Reckon it's just supporters and some clubs getting their knickers in a twist because they may no longer have a chance to get a player on the cheap if they are good enough.
Same will happen to academies, AFL has let it get out of control, and it all needs a decent overhaul. There is no best time to do it, so might as well do it now.
Isn't this all about trying to make it a bit fairer? What's fairer than getting teams to trade?
Reckon it's just supporters and some clubs getting their knickers in a twist because they may no longer have a chance to get a player on the cheap if they are good enough.
Same will happen to academies, AFL has let it get out of control, and it all needs a decent overhaul. There is no best time to do it, so might as well do it now.
The draft is not the only thing that impacts the competition balance.
Location of grand final
Marquee time slots
Supporter base size
Travel distance
Opportunities for additional money outside the cap, both during their career and after
These things also have a big impact on competition fairness. No point fixing 1 issue, if they ignore the other issues.
Strange post considering your club is one of the leaders in wanting the F/S rule scrapped all together.
I want equality.
Garlick said the draft was the “most critical equalisation measure in the game” and shouldn’t be compromised anymore.
Might as well start with the most critical measure then.
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Peak nuffington post stuff really.
All clubs face different challenges. Brisbane and Gold Coast might be an hour apart but one has been in the comp for nearly 40 years and the other 15 in a place where sports teams go to die. The Swans had the biggest city in the country to themselves for 30 years. They've had average home crowds of 30k+ for a decade (excluding covid years) and have a membership of 75,000. They definitely aren't up against it compared to the likes of North and St Kilda, and they aren't comparable to GWS who play in a stadium that holds 23,500 in rugby league heartland where people don't attend any sports in huge numbers. Penrith played Melbourne last week at Commbank Stadium which is a pretty big game and the crowd was 13,000. Western Sydney Wanderers don't do a lot better in the A-League and I don't think anyone cares about Macarthur.
None of this has anything to do with academies and how they impact the draft. There is nothing in place to tie players to St Kilda or North because Collingwood make more money. That's silly. Every year clubs in Vic, WA and SA weigh up the risks of drafting players from interstate and deal with the reality that a Harley Reid or Horne-Francis or whoever will be gone before their first pick. Northern clubs believe that risk is unfair on them. You know because the GF is in Melbourne.
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Exactly,
Just rip the band aid off and make it for this draft. No first round matching for anything, if you want them then you need to get a pick for them.
If they really wanted to protect the fairy tale of the F/S, maybe they could allow F/S to be live traded after they are picked in the first round to the original club. Therefore it opens up a bit more possibility for the kids of AFL players to be retained but it is an open market and the club who picked them can still keep them if they want.
and leave the advantages that favour the big vic teams.
I can see why you would think that way
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No point fixing just one issue, but also no point in creating more. You don't address financial imbalance via the draft.
WC and Freo do the most travel. Always have always will. Can't change the geography of the country. You can try and even it up for other teams but 8 teams are always going to play 11 home games and then 10-12 games outside their home state.
If you look at the WC and Freo teams from the weekend they are hardly filled with high profile recruits. Jackson, Bolton, Kelly... Are Baker and Jordan Clark high profile recruits? I hardly think so. No sooking from me about it, it is what it is. But the WA clubs get nothing - so why am I supposed to care about how other teams are impacted by supposed unfairness? You can make an argument that the WA clubs deserve XYZ because of the specific circumstances that apply to those clubs - or you could just get on with it. Either way it's not a consideration and the clubs don't get to exchange frequent flyer points for extra draft picks. If you floated that the WA clubs should have dibs on WA draftees because travel you would be rightly hounded for a silly suggestion. Yet here we are....
Travel could be fixed by this pretty easily.
Travel allowance for days spend away from home would be simple.
Extra soft cap for WA teams.
----------This is something I would love (No more Carlton and Essendon please)
Equal Marquee time slots for all clubs - ideally based on ladder finish last year.
Saints been complaining for years. Now Geelong have gotten involved and they are changing it straight away.
This isn't the thread to discuss everything that you think is wrong with the game. This is about the draft.
I'm only quoting what your own club thinks, if you want to discuss the other issues, I'm sure there's threads on those too.
It will include the northern academies and NGA.
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Makes sense doesn't it, this isn't a sour grapes thing either we have F/S & Academy players coming through over the next few years, one is even touted a top 10 chance. I'm sure Freo is the same with your own F/S academy.
Those that want it to stay it's only because they think they will get someone for unders, that's the whole point why it needs to be overhauled.
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The equality argument is hilarious with how compromised our sport is in all different facets. I mean we allowed North to sell home games to Freo in a season where percentage could be the difference between fourth and eighth. People want equality so long as that equality doesn't impact any advantages they may have.
The issue is this, there are inequalities that are baked into this competition from the start so every team will try every dodgy trick they can or they are caught even further behind. Father/son is an advantage that the Vic teams have had for over 20 years and you could argue that it has decided some premierships. Finally, when the non-vic teams have the ability to get father/son picks they want to scrap it. But rest assured when the next Moore , Daicos or when the next champions son can't get to his fathers club it will be reinstated for the good of the game.
Its a disgrace that a rule that has been afforded to some clubs for a long period of time will be taken away in the name of equalising the competition when it is just about to become more equal.
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threenewpadlocks
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The disgrace is the slowness that was taken to adjust to update the rules of father-son which has led to this overcorrection that the fact that there are now some smaller advantages gained.
For all the Moore, Daicos names, it's clear that Tom Hawkins who was clearly a top 3 draft prospect going for a third-round pick (that led to the first version of the bidding system the following year), and then Hawkins and Selwood both being as good as they were for so long, far greater than a team paying far more for a similar talented player a bit later.
Elixuh
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Yeah, Geelong sitting there now that they don't benefit and saying FS should go after having benefited the most of any club in the game and winning 4 flags off the back of it is very on brand for Geelong.
Elixuh
See you on the 9th green at 9
My position has always been that you need to balance out inequalities with other inequalities, because with 10 teams in one city you're never getting equality. These knee jerk reactions where you dismantle everything is an odd approach to take. Especially when you're going the other way and making the fixture even more unequal each year, eg SA clubs getting extra home games, WA clubs getting extra home games.
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