Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency XI - McKay. Goldstein. Gresham. Duursma!

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[Lore]

2019 leading Clangers . Yep Clanger king Shiel right up there . Oh wait he was not.

1​	Tim Taranto​	GWS​	26​	124​
2​	Dustin Martin​	Richmond​	23​	113​
3​	Patrick Dangerfield​	Geelong​	24​	112​
4​	Clayton Oliver​	Melbourne​	22​	110​
5​	Jaeger O'Meara​	Hawthorn​	21​	108​
6​	Luke Shuey​	West Coast​	24​	107​
7​	Dion Prestia​	Richmond​	25​	106​
8​	Brodie Grundy​	Collingwood​	24​	102​
9​	Adam Treloar​	Collingwood​	24​	101​
9​	Elliot Yeo​	West Coast​	23​	101​
11​	Tim Kelly​	Geelong​	25​	98​
11​	Dayne Zorko​	Brisbane​	24​	98​
13​	Heath Shaw​	GWS​	26​	97​
14​	Gary Ablett​	Geelong​	24​	92​
15​	Marcus Bontempelli​	Western Bulldogs​	23​	91​
15​	Jacob Hopper​	GWS​	23​	91​
15​	Shane Mumford​	GWS​	20​	91​
18​	James Worpel​	Hawthorn​	22​	90​
18​	Travis Boak​	Port Adelaide​	21​	90​
18​	Toby Greene​	GWS​	19​	90​
21​	David Swallow​	Gold Coast​	22​	88​
22​	Jack Crisp​	Collingwood​	24​	87​
22​	Jackson Macrae​	Western Bulldogs​	23​	87​
22​	Mitch Robinson​	Brisbane​	23​	87​
25​	Shane Edwards​	Richmond​	24​	86​
25​	Sam Walsh​	Carlton​	22​	86​
25​	Patrick Cripps​	Carlton​	20​	86​
28​	Dominic Sheed​	West Coast​	24​	85​
28​	James Harmes​	Melbourne​	22​	85​
30​	Nathan Fyfe​	Fremantle​	20​	84​
31​	Zachary Merrett​	Essendon​	23​	82​
31​	Brad Crouch​	Adelaide​	22​	82​
31​	Luke Parker​	Sydney​	22​	82​
31​	Rory Sloane​	Adelaide​	22​	82​
35​	Liam Shiels​	Hawthorn​	19​	81​
36​	James Sicily​	Hawthorn​	22​	80​
36​	Jade Gresham​	St Kilda​	19​	80​
38​	Angus Brayshaw​	Melbourne​	22​	78​
39​	Tom Lynch​	Richmond​	25​	77​
39​	Jarryd Lyons​	Brisbane​	24​	77​
41​	Stefan Martin​	Brisbane​	24​	76​
41​	Mitchell Duncan​	Geelong​	23​	76​
41​	Dylan Shiel​	Essendon​	22​	76​
44​	Jack Ziebell​	North Melbourne​	22​	75​
45​	Lincoln McCarthy​	Brisbane​	24​	74​
45​	Eric Hipwood​	Brisbane​	23​	74​
45​	Reece Conca​	Fremantle​	22​	74​
45​	Brodie Smith​	Adelaide​	22​	74​
49​	Adam Tomlinson​	GWS​	25​	73​
49​	Joel Selwood​	Geelong​	23​	73​
49​	Aliir Aliir​	Sydney​	22​	73​
49​	Andrew Gaff​	West Coast​	22​	73​
53​	Zachary Williams​	GWS​	24​	72​
53​	Hugh McCluggage​	Brisbane​	23​	72​
53​	Bradley Hill​	Fremantle​	22​	72​
56​	Lachie Neale​	Brisbane​	24​	71​
56​	Josh Dunkley​	Western Bulldogs​	23​	71​
56​	Darcy Macpherson​	Gold Coast​	22​	71​
59​	Tom Hickey​	West Coast​	20​	70​
59​	Josh P. Kennedy​	Sydney​	19​	70​
61​	Jack Billings​	St Kilda​	22​	69​
61​	Brayden Fiorini​	Gold Coast​	21​	69​
61​	Max Gawn​	Melbourne​	21​	69​
61​	Scott Lycett​	Port Adelaide​	18​	69​
65​	Jeremy Cameron​	GWS​	24​	68​
65​	Jared Polec​	North Melbourne​	22​	68​
65​	Alex Sexton​	Gold Coast​	22​	68​
65​	Jack Viney​	Melbourne​	21​	68​
69​	Rhys Stanley​	Geelong​	18​	67​
70​	Edward Curnow​	Carlton​	22​

Should've posted the list without context and asked people to guess what it was

 

[eth-dog]

was better than Essendons final series

I'll give you a challenge. Try to post nothing negative about the club or any of the players for a week. I don't think you could do it.

 

[Jonts]

I’d argue bzt has more upside as a defender. Has played a lot less games and his body is only starting to mature now, only 1 year older than duursma. Duursma has stagnated the past 2-3 years to the point where his ceiling may just be an average c grade player. Isn’t a great kick, can’t win his own ball, isn’t overly strong overhead, weak in the contest. Personally I’d take my shot at the draft with a pick in the 30s over bringing him in

Isnt overly strong overhead or win his own ball?
We talking about Xaiver Duursma that plays for port yeah? The one that is 23 months ( so 2 years) younger and has stagnated to 2 collision injuries?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

According to the Age looks like Port are hawking him around to Vic clubs…

 

[JayJ20]

Oliver is better than what we have brought in previously but the thinking is exactly the same as when we got Shiel / Saad / Stringer . I am saying that their is every chance the blokes you mentioned are not part of out contending team . We need leadership / professionalism / culture change . That is what we need . If Oliver had any of that then I have no issue but he has basically been told to get serious or * off. This is typical Essington again . We spend a couple of years in the draft and think we are close again so we need to top up. Yes we need some star players but we do not need ones with crack pot attitudes.

As for the Shiel trade which "you " mentioned while quoting me . When we traded for him Parish was only a junior fry . McGrath was someone we where trying to turn into a midfield. Shiel was actually our second best midfielder. The issue has come after that by trading for Caldwell (another small midfielder) and then having Hobbs fall into our lap. Shiel was the right player at the time. 2019 proved that. problem was he got injured and we did bring in a bigger midfielder. Now he has had injury issues and we have some young blokes pushing up. There was nothing wrong with the Shiel trade at the time.

Oliver is currently a train wreck who needs much more leadership than we can provide right now.

To make it simple. Give up first round picks and a player for Tom Green yes. Give up multiple picks for a bloke who is off the rails . No.

I can completely understand the reservations some may have regarding his off-field antics and accept that he may not be the right choice given our lack of leadership, but I don't accept that it's an Essendon of old decision or that it's taking shortcuts. Remove his off-field concerns and he is exactly what we need and fits our list demographic well. Ideally he would have been a year or two younger, but that doesn't really make much difference.

I disagree re Shiel being the right decision because our midfield mix was still off. Anyway there's no point of discussing this given Oliver is no longer coming.

 

[eDPS]

Personally I’d take my shot at the draft with a pick in the 30s over bringing him in

Maybe in another draft but certainly not this years, I’m taking Duursma over a pick in the 30s this year every day of the week.

 

[JayJ20]

As a port man i hope duursma is worth more than BZT in a trade

Higher upside
Younger
In contract


His issue is his turnovers are shockers whilst some players turnovers dont look "that" bad

In 2022 he put on some size (not fat just too much muscle) and lost some running power, then copped a bad injury to his ankle

In 2023 he looked back to his usual self early before doing a PCL in may

Massive confidence player

Sorry but KPPs are more valuable than non-defensive wingers in bad form. BZT is coming off his best year and Duursma is arguably at his worst coupled with injury concerns. This is on top of BZT being wanted by Essendon and Port shopping Duursma around.

The only reason it will be a straight swap is because Duursma is contracted for another year and BZT is out of contract.

 

[andleanback]

Maybe in another draft but certainly not this years, I’m taking Duursma over a pick in the 30s this year every day of the week.

I’d say it’s highly likely we got a f2 of port if we aren’t getting duursma, I’d take a f2 over him

 

[Foxx]

If BZT was played in his rightful position of 2nd or 3rd tall, then he'd be worth a late first rounder right now.

But here we are discussing the prospect of an out of sorts wingman being worth more.

 

[citizen-erased]

What else are you throwing in?

B(3)Z(10)T(1) = 13
X (8)
They owe us 5

 

[Foxx]

B(3)Z(10)T(1) = 13
X (8)
They owe us 5

 

[rusman]

Isnt overly strong overhead or win his own ball?

We talking about Xaiver Duursma that plays for port yeah? The one that is 23 months ( so 2 years) younger and has stagnated to 2 collision injuries?

I haven’t watched many port games lately. What are his strengths/weaknesses and upside in your opinion?

 

[doug85]

Maybe in another draft but certainly not this years, I’m taking Duursma over a pick in the 30s this year every day of the week.

Where’s the cliff this year?

 

[doug85]

I'll give you a challenge. Try to post nothing negative about the club or any of the players for a week. I don't think you could do it.

I think a few of our posters would fail this challenge

 

[eth-dog]

I think a few of our posters would fail this challenge

That's true

 

[Crow till I die]

Hi guys. Don't over pay for him Xav D - below is courtesy of a prankster on our board. I will see myself out now

 

[JayJ20]

Hi guys. Don't over pay for him Xav D - below is courtesy of a prankster on our board. I will see myself out now

Wow impressive. He's on the field in a prelim? We only see those on TV.

 

[EnolaGay]

His issue is his turnovers are shockers whilst some players turnovers dont look "that" bad

In 2022 he put on some size (not fat just too much muscle) and lost some running power, then copped a bad injury to his ankle

In 2023 he looked back to his usual self early before doing a PCL in may

Massive confidence player

You trying to talk Duursma up or talk him down?

 

[Lore]

You trying to talk Duursma up or talk him down?

Looks like we've found one of the few half decent Port posters that venture out of the Port board

 

[Tazdog]

Caldwell was never seen as being apart of the top 5-6 even in his underage year. Was always seen on the next rung of players.

My only point is we don’t know who we wouldve drafted in 17 18 or 19 with those picks we gave up.

False. Caldwell Was rated by many as the second best midfielder in a draft that included sam Walsh and Bailey smith, but slid due to injuries.

 

[andleanback]

False. Caldwell Was rated by many as the second best midfielder in a draft that included sam Walsh and Bailey smith, but slid due to injuries.

He was never rated higher than rankine kings Luko and Rozee though and certainly not walsh

 

[JayJ20]

Why aren't we chasing Elijah Hollands? We were keen in his draft year and I still think he has significant upside.

 

[TheGrizz]

Why aren't we chasing Elijah Hollands? We were keen in his draft year and I still think he has significant upside.

Seems a fait accompli that he is off to the Bloos.

 

[andleanback]

Martin and Durham both in the top 10 bnf, yeh not sure duursma is going to take either of their wing spots.

 

[Call Me Cake]

My only point is we don’t know who we wouldve drafted in 18* or 19* with those picks we gave up.

Nah we would've drafted Caldwell, was next best available at that pick despite injury. Think I recall Dodo also saying we would've picked him back when he was traded to us.

And Bonar (the year after) was s**t.

Didn't lose much.