Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency XII - 💰💰💰

[andleanback]

**** Tasmania want every player in the draft by the looks of it

Except for father sons. They’d be stupid not to ask, if they the afl will likely say no. The amount of kids tied to clubs these days is ridiculous, no point having all those picks if they can’t even pick good players

 

[ydc55]

Parish for Dempsey is delusion

I stated that you throw bid money at Dempsey in the hope Geelong can’t match. If you get to that stage you may have parish to use as a way of getting a deal done.
It is all moot as Dempsey is staying at Geelong and we have parish for 4 more years

 

[P Money]

Don't tell me we've got two top 10 (potentially top 5) picks and the top end of the draft sucks! Is this 2016 McGrath and 2020 Cox Perkins Reid all over again?

 

[Yoda_]

Don't tell me we've got two top 10 (potentially top 5) picks and the top end of the draft sucks! Is this 2016 McGrath and 2020 Cox Perkins Reid all over again?

This is arguably the only reason why Im considering trading these for Harley Reid

 

[ant555]

The top end doesn’t suck. The difference is depth of KP and the depth drops away a lot quicker.
That’s why you want top 30 picks which we have.

 

[doug85]

The top end doesn’t suck. The difference is depth of KP and the depth drops away a lot quicker.
That’s why you want top 30 picks which we have.

So not 2020 bad? Because Cal Twomey made it sound diabolical on gettable the other day. Reckons that most of the 2023 and some of the 2024 top 10 would have gone pick 1 this year. And that CDT is easily pick one.

The inference being that the quality is quite poor.

 

[Zach Package]

The top end doesn’t suck. The difference is depth of KP and the depth drops away a lot quicker.
That’s why you want top 30 picks which we have.

We really only need the top 15 or so to be good, which I think it is. I’m not really fussed on the depth, as you said, in our situation, not really relevant to us

 

[ant555]

So not 2020 bad? Because Cal Twomey made it sound diabolical on gettable the other day. Reckons that most of the 2023 and some of the 2024 top 10 would have gone pick 1 this year. And that CDT is easily pick one.

The inference being that the quality is quite poor.

We will see.

 

[ghostdog]

And here again is my concern; are Sweid and El Achkar good performers in a weak draft class?
Just because they're in our NGA doesn't mean we should take them.
We don't take every father-son.

 

[andleanback]

So not 2020 bad? Because Cal Twomey made it sound diabolical on gettable the other day. Reckons that most of the 2023 and some of the 2024 top 10 would have gone pick 1 this year. And that CDT is easily pick one.

The inference being that the quality is quite poor.

Reckon that’s just sensationalism from cal, he even mentioned caddy maybe in retrospect. Like to say Watson would go pick 1 in this year is just silly. No one would ever take a 170cm small forward pick 1 I don’t care how good they are.

 

[Yoda_]

Zach Package, these are the 14 players out of contract. We must take 3 picks/acquisitions in the off season but with 2 x top 10s, Sweid (10 - 25), El-Achkar (20-40) and a further two picks in the second round that is a hell of a talent influx

If we are to move on the right amount of spots, including the possibility of maybe 2/4 MSD picks then we are looking at up to 7 of the 14 listed below moved on if I have worked this out correctly.

** Nick Bryan
Alwyn Davey Jnr
** Sam Draper
Todd Goldstein

17

Todd Goldstein

Age

37

Ht

201cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

7.5

5star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

32.5

5star

D

16.7

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

7.4

4star

CL

7.0

5star

HO

32.9

5star

D

5.2

2star

K

2.6

1star

HB

2.6

3star

HO

10.0

5star

** Ben Hobbs
Jayden Laverde

15

Jayden Laverde

Age

29

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.8

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

152.8

2star

D

8.8

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

116.5

2star

D

11.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.6

5star

MG

141.2

3star

Luamon Lual
** Zach Reid
** Will Setterfield

12

Will Setterfield

Age

27

Ht

192cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.6

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.1

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

4.4

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

1.4

4star

Dylan Shiel

9

Dylan Shiel

Age

32

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.6

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

3.9

5star

MG

410.2

5star

D

23.4

5star

K

13.6

5star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

3.4

4star

MG

334.4

5star

D

19.8

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

11.4

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

Saad El~Hawli
Jye Menzie
Jaxon Prior
** Vigo Visentini

** Jayden Nguyễn (Cắt B Rookie)

** these are the ones I desperately want to keep, the rest either are let go or are traded for the right collateral.

Interestingly enough, we had the ability to add two extra spots (36 senior + 6 rookie = 42/44 max list spots), this means 2 of these mid seasons could be kept on regardless of list changes at years end. Thiswould obviously alter our ability with our draft hand (Melbourne 1st, Essendon 1st, Essendon 2nd, St.Kilda 2nd, Sweid, El-Achkar) are likely 6 selections to the senior list

 

[Yoda_]

And here again is my concern; are Sweid and El Achkar good performers in a weak draft class?
Just because they're in our NGA doesn't mean we should take them.
We don't take every father-son.

Ive watched most of there games this year and a fair bit of hyperbole in the media is just that.

Sweid imho is in the 20 - 40 range. El-Achkar has some tricks but inconsistency and poor finishing has harmed his chances of sky rocketing into the top 15 like he should.

A big championships against the best will no doubt elevate or depreciate in ranking

 

[HirdyLannister]

Reckon that’s just sensationalism from cal, he even mentioned caddy maybe in retrospect. Like to say Watson would go pick 1 in this year is just silly. No one would ever take a 170cm small forward pick 1 I don’t care how good they are.

Essendon selected a hack midget back pocket player with pick 1, so I could see them using pick 1 on a 170cm small forward.

 

[andleanback]

Essendon selected a hack midget back pocket player with pick 1, so I could see them using pick 1 on a 170cm small forward.

Touché

 

[Keystone agony]

We probably need to give Davey a run at HBF as a distributor before we delist him aswell

As much as we do need a small fwd, hes battling there, we also need small defenders who can kick

 

[thebigboy]

Essendon selected a hack midget back pocket player with pick 1, so I could see them using pick 1 on a 170cm small forward.

You forgot the “good character, private school boy”

 

[Vindicater]

Laverde, Shiel, Goldstein, Luol, Menzie and Davey Jr should all be gone.

Prior and El-Hawli will probably be kept.

Reckon Cox retires.
Reckon Tsatas is traded.

 

[Agronomus]

Don't tell me we've got two top 10 (potentially top 5) picks and the top end of the draft sucks! Is this 2016 McGrath and 2020 Cox Perkins Reid all over again?

The top end of the draft didn't get us Martin, Durham, Roberts or Clarke either. Top 10 picks are the most overrated thing if we've got a good list manager

 

[Yoda_]

Laverde, Shiel, Goldstein, Luol, Menzie and Davey Jr should all be gone.

Prior and El-Hawli will probably be kept.

Reckon Cox retires.
Reckon Tsatas is traded.

I dont think either are as sure a thing tbh

 

[The Dustbin]

Wardius continues to kick goals for GWS in the VFL. Saw him live yesterday bag 3 against Port: very good mover, reads the play well, forward craft is excellent and is a very neat left foot shot at goal (similar player to Fritsch but less selfish). We should offer him a 3 year deal.

 

[jannissary]

can we trade for a better strength and conditioning coach? please.

 

[jdstorm]

The top end of the draft didn't get us Martin, Durham, Roberts or Clarke either. Top 10 picks are the most overrated thing if we've got a good list manager

This is such crap.

Imagine how good a team finding that level of talent later in the draft would be if they didn’t mess up the top 10 picks

 

[doug85]

This is such crap.

Imagine how good a team finding that level of talent later in the draft would be if they didn’t mess up the top 10 picks

Nah, cats haven’t used the top end of the draft to build their team. Shrewd trades and good use of late picks have built their team.

Swans somewhat similar.

 

[faible]

Nah, cats haven’t used the top end of the draft to build their team. Shrewd trades and good use of late picks have built their team.

Swans somewhat similar.

Cats used top-end picks and F/S to build their team in the mid 00s, develop a great culture, and have basically been able to drag in top talent whenever they want because of it.

Got Dangerfield for a steal, paid nowhere near as much for Cameron as 'three first round picks!' makes it sound, they brought in Smith for a late first and a downgrade of their 2nd.

Geelong
Receives: Bailey Smith, pick 45
Gives up: Picks 17, 38

Swans have also done well out of Academy players, plus they have actually had some top end picks.

Here's some of their first round picks that are still playing and at the club (they've had some busts and traded some out):

2020: #4 Logan McDonald + #5 (Academy match) Braeden Campbell
2018: #10 (Academy) Nick Blakey
2016: #11 Florent +#21 Hayward
2015: #4 (Academy) Mills
2014: #18 (Academy) Heeney

 

[crackers65]

Nah, cats haven’t used the top end of the draft to build their team. Shrewd trades and good use of late picks have built their team.

Swans somewhat similar.

Cats bring in a star every couple of years. Danger, Cameron, Sniff, come into the best coached and best run club in the comp. Which guns have we recruited in the past twenty years that have won or competed for Brownlow medals or led us to successful periods?