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The only mid we need is Reid, swap 4 or 5 of what we have to The Tripleheads and get serious about winning a flag.
 
jdstorm said:
In general I like the idea of 5 inside mids and 2-3 players who rotate through with them.

3 rotations where you just switch the whole group. kind of like how they do in ice hockey.

I’ve also been pretty vocal about preferring Caldwell at HB with a mid rotation. Plus I dislike having a small undersized midfield.

For next year assuming Tsatas makes his way onball. I’d have Setters,Durham, Tsatas + 2 smalls (Merrett + Parish) with Caldwell rotating in off HB and Perkins off HF

Setters is a good AFL standard player.
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Setters is an okay/solid player

But his future is now on the wing and i think youll see the club see that on his return unless injury hits

Picking too many midfielders has hurt him in the past

There is no such thing as rotating midfield off half back, rarely happens and also you need another midfielder to be rotsting back there with him, if you were to run something like that

Durham has displaced Setters, he also has enough size and Stringer is better in the striker role atrending CBAs if you need size, plus we also have Perkins

For the next 5 years, Setterfield wont be in our best 4-5 onballers at anytime during that period, thus he needs to find something else if he wants to be in the team. Currently there is a lack of depth more so on the wings
 
Yoda_ said:
I would hope we pick a midfielder in the rookie draft. Can never have enough midfielders developing. With one of Shiel or Setterfield moving on, we should ideally replace with youngster imho
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A 1st round pick we now have power over for 3 years

Mids quite often start half fwd/wing/half back depending on the play style (Heppell, Mcgrath, Hobbs, Tsatas, Parish, Perkins ect)

In 2028
Zac Merrett will be turning 33
Parish will be turning 31

Nate Caddy drafted last year and Harry Jones showing great signs has strengthed our fwd stocks. Unless there is one who is ranked very close as our next best available at pick 10 amongst all then i dont see it being a tall. Doesnt appear to be one at this stage

An elite small fwd i agree would be ahead of a mid need in the first round but also doesnt appear to be one

Wont be a tall back/ruck
 

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Keystone agony said:
Setters is an okay/solid player

But his future is now on the wing and i think youll see the club see that on his return unless injury hits

Picking too many midfielders has hurt him in the past

There is no such thing as rotating midfield off half back, rarely happens and also you need another midfielder to be rotsting back there with him, if you were to run something like that

Durham has displaced Setters, he also has enough size and Stringer is better in the striker role atrending CBAs if you need size, plus we also have Perkins

For the next 5 years, Setterfield wont be in our best 4-5 onballers at anytime during that period, thus he needs to find something else if he wants to be in the team. Currently there is a lack of depth more so on the wings
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I’m not sure your correct

I think you start with Mid1 + HB at their positions. Then HB goes to Bench and Mid 1 goes to HB to rest while another goes on ball.

The Mid1 goes to the bench for HB1 (playing HB) while Mid 2 stays on ball. Then mid2 swaps out for mid 1 on ball and everyone is back in their initial positions

Also I’d rather have Setters than stringer as setters can run out an AFL game. Jake can be the specialist sub next year or two but isn’t best 22 for me
 
Setterfield’s definitely not playing on a wing haha. He can’t do it - Carlton wasted some time with him there and it led nowhere.

Setterfield is good-very good at what he’s good at, but he is limited in the sense that he can’t really play anywhere else.

Will be an interesting one to watch on return.
 
His body being very unreliable has made players overtake him and puts his place on the list in jeopardy. Plus, as cAsEy_18 has said he is limited to playing on ball.
 
Keystone agony said:
Setters is an okay/solid player

But his future is now on the wing and i think youll see the club see that on his return unless injury hits

Picking too many midfielders has hurt him in the past

There is no such thing as rotating midfield off half back, rarely happens and also you need another midfielder to be rotsting back there with him, if you were to run something like that

Durham has displaced Setters, he also has enough size and Stringer is better in the striker role atrending CBAs if you need size, plus we also have Perkins

For the next 5 years, Setterfield wont be in our best 4-5 onballers at anytime during that period, thus he needs to find something else if he wants to be in the team. Currently there is a lack of depth more so on the wings
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If his future is on the wing then he will not be around for long. He is an inside midfielder. Carlton tried him on the wing and half forward. He was no good and his skills are not good enough to play an outside role either. As you say others have taken the midfield spots so if anything he is redundant but in saying that he did line up in the midfield with Durham and Perkins to start the season.
 
Keystone agony said:
A 1st round pick we now have power over for 3 years

Mids quite often start half fwd/wing/half back depending on the play style (Heppell, Mcgrath, Hobbs, Tsatas, Parish, Perkins ect)

In 2028
Zac Merrett will be turning 33
Parish will be turning 31

Nate Caddy drafted last year and Harry Jones showing great signs has strengthed our fwd stocks. Unless there is one who is ranked very close as our next best available at pick 10 amongst all then i dont see it being a tall. Doesnt appear to be one at this stage

An elite small fwd i agree would be ahead of a mid need in the first round but also doesnt appear to be one

Wont be a tall back/ruck
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unsure on reasons for the tangent about talls, I suggested mids in rookie draft.
 
ant555 said:
If his future is on the wing then he will not be around for long. He is an inside midfielder. Carlton tried him on the wing and half forward. He was no good and his skills are not good enough to play an outside role either. As you say others have taken the midfield spots so if anything he is redundant but in saying that he did line up in the midfield with Durham and Perkins to start the season.
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Midfielders were missing when he played onball in rounds 1 and 2

Yeh thats the whole point and what im saying hes no longer best 22 onball for the rest of his career, thus he needs to find elsewhere. That elsewhere where he has played at times within the last year is wing, where we are lacking at the moment

Im picking him on a wing over Archie Roberts if i want to win a big final this year

He has played footy at HF, HB and wing
 
Yoda_ said:
unsure on reasons for the tangent about talls, I suggested mids in rookie draft.
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Well your either taking talls as in KPP or rucks, small Fwds or smalls that likely play midfield in the u18s but can be moulded into a wing, HBF or HFF in most cases early in their career.

Suggesting we dont take the latter means your suggesting a KPP/Ruck or small Fwd? Both of which a this time look incredibly unlikely but there is time. Just very unlikely to be anything thats in best 15 available compared to the 10th best small/mid type
 
jdstorm said:
I’m not sure your correct

I think you start with Mid1 + HB at their positions. Then HB goes to Bench and Mid 1 goes to HB to rest while another goes on ball.

The Mid1 goes to the bench for HB1 (playing HB) while Mid 2 stays on ball. Then mid2 swaps out for mid 1 on ball and everyone is back in their initial positions

Also I’d rather have Setters than stringer as setters can run out an AFL game. Jake can be the specialist sub next year or two but isn’t best 22 for me
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So where does that 7th defender go when they come onto the field for the benched HB?

Stringer is literally one of our top 10 players, maybe top 5

His influence is huge for us, watch this year plz
 

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Keystone agony said:
Midfielders were missing when he played onball in rounds 1 and 2

Yeh thats the whole point and what im saying hes no longer best 22 onball for the rest of his career, thus he needs to find elsewhere. That elsewhere where he has played at times within the last year is wing, where we are lacking at the moment

Im picking him on a wing over Archie Roberts if i want to win a big final this year

He has played footy at HF, HB and wing
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He has been rubbish anywhere but midfield. Does not matter if he has played there. If we are down to playing Setterfield or Roberts on a wing then we are not winning a big final .

The midfielder that was missing in round 1 and 2 was Parish. What did happen was Caldwell who was already playing mainly high half forward got more midfield time in that spot and Parish took some midfield time from all of the midfielders when he came back.

There is no reason why he does not get back into the rotation from the bench at some stage but he is basically midfield depth and not someone you want to be pushing into positions where he has failed.
 
If I am in control of list management right now (11/05) then I would play it out like this right now;


Currently out of contract players;

  • 4 years; Archie Perkins
  • 3 years; Jye Caldwell,
  • 2 years; Nik Cox, Matt Guelfi**, Lewis Hayes, Harry Jones, Jake Stringer
  • 1 year; Alwyn Davey Jnr, Jayden Davey, Vigo Visentini (rookie)

do what they will (retire or one more year); Todd Goldstein, Dyson Heppell

delist; Nick Hind, Jake Kelly, Will Setterfield, Sam Weideman, Jaiden Hunter (rookie), Jye Menzie (rookie), Tex Wanganeen (rookie)

Some points;

(1) I think we go with either Tex or Jye Menzie for 2025.
(2) I think we go with either Weideman or Baldwin as back up defensive depth
(3) Not counting out if we trade guys like Shiel or Nick Bryan (who could look for elsewhere for opportunities)
(4) Hunter's second knee probably means the end.

Free agents;

Tyson Stengle (Geelong, 25, 175cm,71kg, small forward)
Qualifies as previously delisted. Plenty have mentioned him recently and im coming around to it. Doubtful it happens but would do.

Ben Ainsworth (Gold Coast, 26, 178cm, 77kg, small forward)
I really like him. Has always shown promise to be a top liner but has never 'clicked'. In a finals pushing team like ours could take him to another level. A significant upgrade on what we have as smalls.

Needs; (in order of necessity imho)

(1) Marking, top liner small forward
(2) marking mid sized forward we can develop in the VFL (think Will Hayward, think Ollie Dempsey, think Bailey Fritsch)
(3) Midfield depth, don't mind wanting to add this in the rookie draft with a kid or inexperienced mature body that has learnt it
(4) KPF - again, don't mind wanting to add this in the rookie draft.

Draft; (current order - picks 14, 34, 88, 106)

Sam Lalor is my number 1 option for our first pick. Doubt the explosive midfielder/forward makes it to us but a man can dream.

I hope we can match Kako post 40 but again doubtful.

I think we match a bid on Nguyen, may even slip right through to the rookie draft where (eDPS confirm?) we can place on Cat B list straight away

An experienced midfielder from the VFL / SANFL would be nice. A guy like Campell Hustwaite (Casey, 24, 185cm/83kg, mid) would be nice.

Just some names to look for. This is what I would be doing anyways,

tl'dr?

out;
Nick Hind
Jake Kelly
Will Setterfield
Sam Weideman
Jaiden Hunter (rookie)
Jye Menzie (rookie)
Tex Wanganeen (rookie)

Ins;
small fwd
mid/fwd
mid
mid
kpf
free agent
SSP spot
 
ant555 said:
He has been rubbish anywhere but midfield. Does not matter if he has played there. If we are down to playing Setterfield or Roberts on a wing then we are not winning a big final .

The midfielder that was missing in round 1 and 2 was Parish. What did happen was Caldwell who was already playing mainly high half forward got more midfield time in that spot and Parish took some midfield time from all of the midfielders when he came back.

There is no reason why he does not get back into the rotation from the bench at some stage but he is basically midfield depth and not someone you want to be pushing into positions where he has failed.
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What makes you say he failed in those positions, mainly wing for us? I think he played 1 full game for us as a winger with bits and parts each side of that game on a wing

You dont think players can improve?

The reality is were down to playing probably 2 of Hind, Cox, Davey/Guelfi on a wing right now
 
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Keystone agony said:
So where does that 7th defender go when they come onto the field for the benched HB?

Stringer is literally one of our top 10 players, maybe top 5

His influence is huge for us, watch this year plz
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He’s too small to play KPF, too slow to play Pressure forward. Ideally he’s your Dusty/Danger/Petracca striker Mid/6th forward but doesn’t have the tank to play that rôle consistently. (Played it great against the pies, couldn’t keep up with WC) makes a huge difference when he can play that role.


Top 10ish players right now for me in no particular order McKay, Martin, McGrath, Merrett, Caldwell, Parish, Perkins, Durham, Dursma, Gresham, Langford, Wright

Stringers in that next tier with Redman, Kelly, Heppell, Guelfi, Jones, Goldy, Draper
 
Keystone agony said:
What makes you say he failed in those positions, mainly wing for us? I think he played 1 full game for us as a winger with bits and parts each side of that game on a wing

You dont think players can improve?

The reality is were down to playing probably 2 of Hind, Cox, Davey/Guelfi on a wing right now
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Yes and he was ordinary. Same as he was at Carlton. As for the players improving of course they can but it usually does not happen to blokes who have been in the system for 7 years plus and have really only shown form in their preferred spot.
Like I said if we are relying on him to play wing then our season is done. Right now is not in the conversation as he is still injured and maybe still 2 weeks away. By time we get to the back end of the season who knows what we will have.
 
Keystone agony said:
So instead of taking a mid not until the RD, you have us taking one in the first round? 🤷🤦‍♂️

And delisting Setterfield because hes not in our best midfield anymore? Isnt that what ive been saying
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Who really knows what you are saying. The goal posts constantly move .
 
ant555 said:
Yes and he was ordinary. Same as he was at Carlton. As for the players improving of course they can but it usually does not happen to blokes who have been in the system for 7 years plus and have really only shown form in their preferred spot.
Like I said if we are relying on him to play wing then our season is done. Right now is not in the conversation as he is still injured and maybe still 2 weeks away. By time we get to the back end of the season who knows what we will have.
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Were not relying on him to be winger

right now were relying on Hind and Cox

His best chance to get into the team as we speak right now for the next 5 years of his footballing career with us, is on the outside/wing

Wingers are role players. He has the size and running capacity to play there

We already know he can be depth as an onballer, he needs to show he can play wing aswell to give himself the best chance over the next 5 years
ant555 said:
Who really knows what you are saying. The goal posts constantly move .
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Where have they moved?

Yoda said in one instance he aint taking a mid until the rookie draft, suggesting we dont need any of substance, then the very next post has us drafting a midfielder with our 1st rounder

On one hand hes saying Setterfield doesnt need to diversify wing ability and in the next post has him delisted suggesting he aint anymore than long shot depth for the midfield
 
jdstorm said:
He’s too small to play KPF, too slow to play Pressure forward. Ideally he’s your Dusty/Danger/Petracca striker Mid/6th forward but doesn’t have the tank to play that rôle consistently. (Played it great against the pies, couldn’t keep up with WC) makes a huge difference when he can play that role.


Top 10ish players right now for me in no particular order McKay, Martin, McGrath, Merrett, Caldwell, Parish, Perkins, Durham, Dursma, Gresham, Langford, Wright

Stringers in that next tier with Redman, Kelly, Heppell, Guelfi, Jones, Goldy, Draper
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His pressure has been excellent this year

He played a completely different role vs eagles to pies (please watch games)

Heppell, Guelfi, Goldy, Kelly and Draper couldnt tie his shoelaces

Hes that far ahead of Gresham, Duursma, Caldwell it aint funny

Dusty didnt have a great tank but played the role fine, you dont need a great tank for that role
 
Keystone agony said:
So instead of taking a mid not until the RD, you have us taking one in the first round? 🤷🤦‍♂️

And delisting Setterfield because hes not in our best midfield anymore? Isnt that what ive been saying
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I feel we carry one of Shiel or Setterfield.

And yes, a mid/fwd even in the first round. I would be taking a pure midfielder, even if in the rookie draft
 
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