Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[The Warlord]

Robbo hasn't been this focused on a story since * injected their players.

Robbo has also written this verge of collapse story about 10 times in the last six months.

 

[ferball]

Robbo has also written this verge of collapse story about 10 times in the last six months.

Honestly if it keeps the pressure on hawthorn and the AFL I hope he keeps writing it.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Robbo has also written this verge of collapse story about 10 times in the last six months.

Yes it obviously serves somebody's strategy to have him write that same story so many times.

 

[giantroo]

Hawthorn racism claim terminated by Australian Human Rights Commission​

By Jake Niall
May 27, 2024 — 1.16pm


The Australian Human Rights Commission has terminated a claim against Hawthorn by First Nations ex-players and their partners after the parties failed to come to a deal.

The AHRC’s decision – based on the commission’s view that the parties were too far apart – leaves the players and partners, including former champion Cyril Rioli and his partner Shannyn, with 60 days to file and take the matter to the Federal Court.

The sticking point between Hawthorn and the former players and partners was largely that the club was unwilling to make an explicit admission of racism in dealing with the players, in allegations that were first raised in a cultural safety review commissioned by the club and that were reported by the ABC in grand final week of 2022.

Hawthorn and the plaintiffs had discussions, through their lawyers, around some form of an apology that did not involve an explicit admission that there was racism against those players – three of whom took the matter to the human rights commission, according to sources familiar with the negotiations but who spoke anonymously because AHRC matters are confidential.

While the players and partners had been seeking financial redress for alleged mistreatment by the Hawks, no specific figure was nominated as appropriate compensation. Hawthorn had indicated for a long time that the club had been willing to settle.

It is still open for the parties to reach a deal outside of the human rights commission, but the players can also file in the Federal Court and make their claim in that arena, which would be public.

Former Hawthorn coaches Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan and welfare manager Jason Burt were the other parties involved in the discussions at the AHRC, each having met with the relevant players in attempt to resolve any differences.

Hawthorn faced a difficult task to satisfy both the First Nations players and partners who had the grievance and the former officials, who had strongly opposed any hint that they acted in a way that was racist.

 

[blackshadow]

Why am I not surprised?

 

[giantroo]

 

[The Warlord]

Why am I not surprised?

Crap outcome, genuinely thought thsi could be resolved at the AHRC

 

[The Big O]

We are never going to get a fully focused Clarko, are we? This will drag on forever.

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[The Warlord]

We are never going to get a fully focused Clarko, are we? This will drag on forever.

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Coaches have all sorts of stuff going on in their lives, I see no reason why this should distract him to the point it impacts his ability to build a flag winning team.

 

[The Big O]

He's already stepped aside once. Imagine the circus when it goes to court and the he said /she said is front page every day.

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[giantroo]

The Hawks on Monday confirmed the Human Rights Commission had terminated a claim against Hawthorn by past Indigenous players and their families because the parties could not come to a deal.


It paves the way for the matter, which involves former coaches Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt, to be taken by the Indigenous parties to the Federal Court.

Mediation can continue, but not under the umbrella of the Human Rights Commission.

It’s understood the talks stalled, in part, over an appropriate written response to claims of racism made by the players and their families. The players and their families had asked for acknowledgment of their pain and suffering and a public apology.

Clarkson, Fagan and Burt have denied any racist behaviour.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/mark-robinson-hawks-racism-scandal-headed-for-federal-court-after-mediation-talks-break-down/news-story/f3fc5bd6e16082a9863fd7faa8e237e8

 

[Cyber_punk]

As I expected from the near beginning, it's just fizzling out.

 

[The Warlord]

He's already stepped aside once.

That was a long time ago in the greater scheme of this saga, when the shock was raw, and everything was being done through media.

He's now had a chance to come face to face with the players for a start.

Imagine the circus when it goes to court and the he said /she said is front page every day.

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Wait til it gets that far before freaking out imo, and then see if that's how it plays out.

Could be that taking it out of the AHRC is simply a negotiating tactic.

 

[gokangas]

Crap outcome, genuinely thought thsi could be resolved at the AHRC

Same here - somehow I suspect it will be settled before court.

 

[DuckYeah]

Same here - somehow I suspect it will be settled before court.

It depends what evidence there is in a brief. If theres no evidence the question is, will it even get to court?

 

[Devil Fish]

Honestly if it keeps the pressure on hawthorn and the AFL I hope he keeps writing it.

For sure. It'll improve our on-field performances out of sight.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Court that has no standing is unable to produce anything.

Quelle surprise.

 

[danj]

Less to worry about, clubs don't want the risk. They all say the right things but in reality, they want to mitigate risks.

The AFL is being gentrified by toffs.

Private schools are killing the game in more ways than one

 

[roosmad]

About time this got serious and tell everyone the names associated in the claim, one in particular has a lot to answer for…
JA man up and come forward with your claims , address the people and tell us your issues , the whole hiding part is the biggest joke of all………

 

[ferball]

For sure. It'll improve our on-field performances out of sight.

What's that got to do with it?

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

About time this got serious and tell everyone the names associated in the claim, one in particular has a lot to answer for…
JA man up and come forward with your claims , address the people and tell us your issues , the whole hiding part is the biggest joke of all………

 

[giantroo]

 

[JGreezy]

About time this got serious and tell everyone the names associated in the claim, one in particular has a lot to answer for…
JA man up and come forward with your claims , address the people and tell us your issues , the whole hiding part is the biggest joke of all………

The names have been named, a long time ago.

Peterson, Miller-Lewis, Savage ... Then Rioli and Egan joined

 

[giantroo]

Hawks racism scandal headed for Federal Court after mediation talks break down​

The Hawthorn racism saga appears headed to the Federal Court after mediation talks broke down, paving the way for secret text messages to be disclosed in court, reports MARK ROBINSON.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/mark-robinson-hawks-racism-scandal-headed-for-federal-court-after-mediation-talks-break-down/news-story/f3fc5bd6e16082a9863fd7faa8e237e8

Mark Robinson
Chief Football Writer



@Robbo_heraldsun

3 min read
May 27, 2024 - 5:25PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom




Secret text messages from a former Hawthorn football official are expected to be used as evidence when the Hawks racism scandal is heard in the Federal Court.

The Hawks on Monday confirmed the Human Rights Commission had terminated a claim against Hawthorn by past Indigenous players and their families because parties could not come to a deal. It paves the way for the matter, which involves former coaches Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt, to be taken by the Indigenous parties to the Federal Court.

Last week, this masthead revealed that despite two extensions in mediation, the talks were on the brink of collapse.

The text messages were sent by David Flood, a former development coach at the Hawks from 2008-2012.

It’s believed the series of messages, sent by Flood, were sent to one Indigenous family. It’s believed one of the texts says he (Flood) had “let them down”, did not “ask enough questions” and that he was “very sorry” for how the family was treated.

Former Hawthorn development coach David Flood.

The family said in the text exchange that “you (Flood) were there and you didn’t speak up for us” and that “we had no one”.

Flood was named in the club’s cultural safety review and as a non-Indigenous person who had “reached out” to the report’s author, Phil Egan.

The report, which this masthead revealed in September 2022, asserted that the alleged treatment at the club of First Nations players involved “bullying and intimidation tactics … to be used to isolate First Nations players from their families and communities”.

These “aggressive intimidatory actions were undertaken by the most senior of the coaching and management hierarchy’’, Egan wrote. The report alleged that Flood told Egan: “If you dare question their methods, you were frozen out”. And: “I knew this day would come”.

“He went on to say Evans (former chief executive Mark Evans), Clarkson, Fagan and Burt operated the football department like the Russian Mafia,” the report said.

Despite the claim being terminated by the Human Rights Commission on Monday, mediation can continue between all parties, but not under the umbrella of the HRC.

“It’s the Federal Court next,” one source said.

Another source said: “The players and their families are all committed to the Federal Court. They are as one. And under oath, they’re going to share their truth with the football public.

Witnesses can be called and they also will be under oath.”

Hawthorn president Hawthorn Andy Gowers said on Monday: “We have engaged with the AHRC process in good faith and have made multiple attempts to resolve the matter with all parties. It is unfortunate that this was not possible via this process, however, we remain committed to and will continue to work towards having the matter resolved. As we have always said, we would like to see this matter resolved fairly and quickly for everyone involved.’’

It’s understood the talks stalled, in part, over an appropriate written response to claims of racism made by the players and their families. The players and their families had asked for acknowledgment of their pain and suffering and a public apology.

Compensation for the families – and for Clarkson, Fagan and Burt – was also a discussion point.
Clarkson, Fagan and Burt have denied any racist behaviour.

Former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett, who was at the club when some of the claims were alleged,

“This should now go to the Federal Court and, at that stage, all of the evidence will be laid down and made public and a court will make a decision,’’ Kennett said.

“The claimants have every right to make claims, but they should be tested in a court of law.

“It’s not for the AFL to try to determine these matters because they totally botched the handling of this affair. I congratulate the Hawthorn board for not succumbing to the claims that have not been independently and appropriately tested.’’

 

[NMFC49]

I think the plaintiff's are making a very bad decision if they intend taking this to the Federal Court. No more behind closed doors (HRC). The defendents lawyers will pick the plaintiff witnesses apart in an open and public trial. Hawthorn's compensation settlement must be way below the plaintiff's demand.