All Australian thread 2014

[Donakebab]

Surprise, surprise from an Eagles fan, but I'd highly dispute those Mackenzie figures.

Heard this before. Going to trust Champion Data figures, gathered by professional statisticians and a source which clubs use, over observations of supporters.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

where the hell is libba what a joke

He is there

 

[Bailey01]

Brodie Smith, Adelaide Crows. Never Previously All Australian. 22 games in 2014. 287 kicks, 108 marks, 209 handballs, averaging 13.0 kicks, 4.9 marks, 9.5 handballs. 11 Goals, Eight Behinds. 18 Clearances, 76 Inside 50, 109 Rebound 50m (second in the AFL). 35 Tackles.

Shaun Burgoyne, Hawthorn. All Australian 2006. 22 games in 2014. 257 kicks, 84 marks, 241 handballs, averaging 11.7 kicks, 3.8 marks, 11.0 handballs. 10 Goals, Five Behinds. 73 Clearances, 75 Inside 50, 42 Rebound 50m. 89 Tackles.

Similar disposal numbers not as many R50 but way more clearances and over double the tackle numbers. Sorry Crows fans but I want defenders who actually know how to defend and not simply get the ball fed to them.

What about the one percenter stats?

 

[FullBack30]

Disposals, Intercept Disposals, Intercept Marks, Goals Conceded
Talia(22) 11.8, 4.3, 1.2, 31
Rance(17) 17.4, 8.1, 2.4, 23
Mackenzie(22) 15.3, 6.5, 2.1, 39
Hooker(22) 18.6, 6.9, 2.2, 29

What about Taylor and Lonergan?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'm not in the least surprised Hodge isn't there but I think you could easily underestimate his season. Think he'll be in the top few in our B&F if it was counted right now.

Not saying he wouldn't be, but that is the same with say Goddard/Hibberd/Ryder for us, and they missed.

 

[Sam95]

Breust is alive ? I thought he had gone missing

 

[Daitro]

That was only when Mitchell was missing. Majority of the time he was across HB and the reason for less R50 is that the Hawks don't concede that many I50s in the first place.

Mitchell was missing for ten games this season, almost half of it.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Breust is alive ? I thought he had gone missing

Best small forward by a mile this year.

 

[Cynic]

Breust is alive ? I thought he had gone missing

As a Dog supporter you can be forgiven for not looking for players in the mythical 'forward line'.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

As a Dog supporter you can be forgiven for not looking for players in the mythical 'forward line'.

And players that kick straight, maybe teach the Dogs to aim between the big posts and not into Isle 3!

 

[MinerBoy]

Not saying he wouldn't be, but that is the same with say Goddard/Hibberd/Ryder for us, and they missed.

Yeah but they don't play for a good team. Lol. Joking.

Wasn't actually saying YOU could underestimate him. I used you in the generic sense. Like I said, it didn't surprise me. I wouldn't have picked him either. However I think he's been good enough to be top 2-3 in our B&F (to this point) and only used his exclusion as a means of showing that Jones of Melbourne wasn't necessarily stiff (not that Hodge was). I would take Hodge's 24 touches ahead of Jones' 27 every single day of the week. Jones is a good honest footballer who gives his all but I don't watch him and see AA honours.

 

[MinerBoy]

Breust is alive ? I thought he had gone missing

Yes, the last 2 games of 22 he has managed to not be in the best. Not bad hey?

 

[Bailey01]

Yep, Burgoyne shouldn't be judged harshly just because his numbers are down in terms of R50. Not his fault his midfield doesn't run one way like the Crows.

Taking a pot shot at the crows I see........

 

[TigesAreComin]

As good as he's been I don't think Ellis has done enough to get a midfield spot in the final team. I think Dusty and Rance should go close though.
Hanley very stiff not to make the squad.

 

[Sam95]

Best small forward by a mile this year.

have you seen hes past games have been putrid, he managed only 1 goal against collingwood,doggies,melbourne,north,carlton,west coast

 

[MinerBoy]

have you seen hes past games have been putrid, he managed only 1 goal against collingwood,doggies,melbourne,north,carlton,west coast

When did he last go goalless?

And now you've listed his record against a group of generally poor teams, I suggest you check his returns against all the good ones.

 

[_RT_]

What about the one percenter stats?

2.6 - 1.8. 1 One percent act per game doesn't make up for laying 3 tackles fewer per game.

 

[Sam95]

when are the squads finalised ?

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

when are the squads finalised ?

Brownlow week.

 

[TheRoo32]

Brodie Smith, Adelaide Crows. Never Previously All Australian. 22 games in 2014. 287 kicks, 108 marks, 209 handballs, averaging 13.0 kicks, 4.9 marks, 9.5 handballs. 11 Goals, Eight Behinds. 18 Clearances, 76 Inside 50, 109 Rebound 50m (second in the AFL). 35 Tackles.

Shaun Burgoyne, Hawthorn. All Australian 2006. 22 games in 2014. 257 kicks, 84 marks, 241 handballs, averaging 11.7 kicks, 3.8 marks, 11.0 handballs. 10 Goals, Five Behinds. 73 Clearances, 75 Inside 50, 42 Rebound 50m. 89 Tackles.

Similar disposal numbers not as many R50 but way more clearances and over double the tackle numbers. Sorry Crows fans but I want defenders who actually know how to defend and not simply get the ball fed to them.

Ok champ. Burgoyne plays all over the ground, including large portions in the middle, Smith played all year down back and leads the comp for metres gained, was regularly tagged and is one of the most damaging players in the comp. Watch a few games before commenting in the future!

 

[eastfreo75]

AA is a joke. No Mitchell, No Hodge, No Handley, No Cotchin, No Dangerfield, No Mundy, no Barlow, no Enright, and No Griffen.

 

[Bailey01]

2.6 - 1.8. 1 One percent act per game doesn't make up for laying 3 tackles fewer per game.

Well that adds up at the end of the year. You do realise Smith purely at half back whereas Burgoyne plays more midfield so his tackle numbers are going to be naturally higher.

 

[TheRoo32]

Yep, Burgoyne shouldn't be judged harshly just because his numbers are down in terms of R50. Not his fault his midfield doesn't run one way like the Crows.

Take your signature arrogance and delusion back to your own board.

 

[Ron The Bear]

As good as he's been I don't think Ellis has done enough to get a midfield spot in the final team.

Few outside mids have made the team since the 90's.

 

[Sam95]

AA is a joke. No Mitchell, No Hodge, No Handley, No Cotchin, No Dangerfield, No Mundy, no Barlow, no Enright, and No Griffen.

Griffen for most of the year has struggled due to his back injury so not to fussed about him