Beating the flood

[Skystyler]

You hear a lot of gnashing of teeth over flooding and hows its ruining the game blahdeblahblah... but you dont hear a lot of how to beat it.

Quick ball movement will only work if the flood is tidal. Essendon seemed to have 2 extra defenders permanently stationed in our forward 50. I saw them do this against Brisbane. Brisbane would hold the ball for ages at CHF, eventually they would make a mistake or bomb it in. The bombers would bolt forward and get a goal. We had a similar problem finding an avenue to goal on Sat. night. The Hawks have been known to flood (just ask the saints).

So whats the answer? Do you play with 8 forwards? Flood back yourself and wait for them to blink? Go the torp from the edge of the centre square all night long?

 

[Hawkk]

The Hawks have been known to flood (just ask the saints).

St Kilda actually put 3 spare men back in our forward half before the bounce of the ball. Since that infamous match we've played free flowing football and beaten 2 sides that pride themselves on free flowing football - Port and West Coast.

 

[Mordecai]

You hear a lot of gnashing of teeth over flooding and hows its ruining the game blahdeblahblah... but you dont hear a lot of how to beat it.

Quick ball movement will only work if the flood is tidal. Essendon seemed to have 2 extra defenders permanently stationed in our forward 50. I saw them do this against Brisbane. Brisbane would hold the ball for ages at CHF, eventually they would make a mistake or bomb it in. The bombers would bolt forward and get a goal. We had a similar problem finding an avenue to goal on Sat. night. The Hawks have been known to flood (just ask the saints).

So whats the answer? Do you play with 8 forwards? Flood back yourself and wait for them to blink? Go the torp from the edge of the centre square all night long?

unfortunately i think its to play like a soccer team.
chip the ball back and play around with it in defence.
get the opposition out of your attacking 50 far enough. then enter into it quickly.

 

[Corpuscles]

Swans adddicted to a successful formula.

I think Swans bring much of the flood on themselves. The lack of height with LRT missing combined with new HITB rule means one extra backman, means opposition already have one extra which they ALL know is best used stopping Hall. Also swans flankers and wingers drag their opponent to the contest and stoppages making it easier for them to form a zone defence inside 50.

Yet when Swans get desperate and behind.. they attack. Hit it from ruck clear or grab and kick quickly towards goal using corridor....usually outscore any opposition, even West Coke R1.

I think it is time Roosey & Bloods do some rehab off the flood drug!

If less Swans flankers went in to crowd the stoppage then they would really have to back themselves one on one in a more open game.

The answer to extra 2 defenders is a strong aggressive high marking forward with directions for others to make room and be foil. Doyle or Grundy at FF and charge at the contest like a wild Plugger with a horn!
Hall also has to risk reports for charging... and crash into those in the hole!!!

 

[Tuco]

I guess it depends on what is meant by flood.

Not a heck of a lot can be done about the one-on-one style of footy that many teams are beginning to adopt after the success of West Coast and Sydney using this style. It really comes down to having the fitness to keep running behind and forward of the play for all four quarters when you succeed in creating a turnover. By this I mean that after going with your man up the ground, you then have to have the determination to find the space again when your side gets the ball. ROK is one of the best exponents of this in our side. It also depends on how many times you can get a quick clearance to the open forward line where they'll often be only 1 to 4 forwards. The fewer fast transitions, the harder it is to scrore against this style.

If by flood you mean the zoning back of 2 or more players who simply loiter in the defensive arc waiting to generate a rebound, all you can really do is have good ball control and patience and be prepared to kick it around waiting for an opening. The Swans have (mostly) done well at this over the last few years. This is what I think about when I think of the flood, Adelaide are the masters, and it is the tactic that generates the ugliest games.

 

[Hawkk]

Lets face it...all teams get numbers back.

The good teams are those said to get numbers back in defensive to support their defence on the counter in numbers – the Eagles successfully implement this with linking handballs...does that make them 'ugly'? Of course not.

The 'ugly' teams are the teams that don't have the foot skills, fitness and speed to rebound out of defense quickly and get bogged down across the wings consistently and cough the ball up. Occasionally the opposition is brought down to the 'ugly teams' level and we have really ugly games of football...these are the games that are often talked about in the media for weeks there after.

 

[No1SwansFan]

Doyle or Grundy at FF and charge at the contest like a wild Plugger with a horn!

I like it when the swans run with both Spida and Jolly on field Jolly could be a promising Full Forward he takes a string mark and can kick a bag. But then they would need some one like Doyle to come in and help with the ruck work to give spida a break once in a while.

 

[ricta]

Swans adddicted to a successful formula.

I think Swans bring much of the flood on themselves.

I think it is time Roosey & Bloods do some rehab off the flood drug!

you might have something there

 

[ricta]

The Hawks have been known to flood (just ask the saints).

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think you have that statement back to front, i agree with Hawkk about them dropping players back before the bounce

saints coach was the understudy of the greatest flooder of all

 

[nico]

Kicking over the flood to the top of the square with Barry Hall playing infront or another tall up there.

We also rarely have a player on the run with a ball kick over the top and in front of them to run onto the footy. Buchanan does it occasionally. This ploy works better on a big ground.

At least if you kick it long to a contest with numbers running in it puts a lot more pressure on the last line of defence. We just dont do this, hence the flood is doing us at the moment.

 

[snappy]

flood/leaving back flankers stationary.. its become the adopted formular to beat the swans.. i guess this is where we are gonig to see Roos earn his money.. we all know if we cant play well against this tactic were likely to see the same results were getting now. anywho im very interested to see how we go about it... to answer the question, run,run and run some more... because if were not choosing to go long and direct to a contest, with no crumbers being played, then its a battle of fitness..

 

[Skystyler]

Kicking over the flood to the top of the square with Barry Hall playing infront or another tall up there.

We also rarely have a player on the run with a ball kick over the top and in front of them to run onto the footy. Buchanan does it occasionally. This ploy works better on a big ground.

At least if you kick it long to a contest with numbers running in it puts a lot more pressure on the last line of defence. We just dont do this, hence the flood is doing us at the moment.

so teach the players to spread to the flanks leaving 1 or 2 talls in the square and follow the long ball in looking for the crumbs? Give the talls instructions to try and punch the ball to a crumber if a mark seems unlikely. With a bit of luck, a defenders hand will brush someone's number and you'll get a free kick right in front! Or failing that its a contested ball in a dangerous spot, and in theory your best crumbers will have prime position because they know whats coming - even if you are outnumbered.

I like this better than chipping it around the back line waiting to draw the defenders out. Or trying to pinpoint someone within range.

 

[snappy]

if only it was that easy
we would be 10-0 ..
agree is time to stop mucking around with it..

 

[xxscubaxx]

The Hawks have been known to flood (just ask the saints).

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think you have that statement back to front, i agree with Hawkk about them dropping players back before the bounce

saints coach was the understudy of the greatest flooder of all

Okay firstly rodney eade is noted as the creator of the modern flood tactic not paul roos, secondly flooding has been around for ages before that and thirdly EVERY team floods. Who are trying to convince with this repetitious dribble you got from the media who get paid to produce this rubbish and feed it to people like yourself.

 

[is2SWaNz]

Swans adddicted to a successful formula.

I think Swans bring much of the flood on themselves. The lack of height with LRT missing combined with new HITB rule means one extra backman, means opposition already have one extra which they ALL know is best used stopping Hall. Also swans flankers and wingers drag their opponent to the contest and stoppages making it easier for them to form a zone defence inside 50.

Yet when Swans get desperate and behind.. they attack. Hit it from ruck clear or grab and kick quickly towards goal using corridor....usually outscore any opposition, even West Coke R1.

I think it is time Roosey & Bloods do some rehab off the flood drug!

If less Swans flankers went in to crowd the stoppage then they would really have to back themselves one on one in a more open game.

The answer to extra 2 defenders is a strong aggressive high marking forward with directions for others to make room and be foil. Doyle or Grundy at FF and charge at the contest like a wild Plugger with a horn!
Hall also has to risk reports for charging... and crash into those in the hole!!!

I agree with this statement.

How many times do we allow the opponent to run into our forward line, and clog up all our options? I sometimes get frustrated when there is an open forward line, but we tend to stop and wait for a lead, allowing the opponents to run in and defend.

Last week's game against the Bombers, they made the SCG look like a children's playground. They ran hard and it looked like the SCG was too small for them. It was a quick game and we concede many points when we continue to attack the footy and continue to play on. Against the Bulldogs, I thought we attacked more than we defended. It was a realy enjoyable game. That is probably one of the reasons why we are known for our good come backs. We attack and attack and attack. Pump the ball long and results in very quick goals, and not to mention it gives is a bit of attractive footy as well.

 

[CAS79]

Another way to beat it is to get Dempster to take more shots on goal from outside 50, he is a good kick and his goal from outside 50 crossed the line over head height. If it drops short and we cant mark it bring it to ground and see if Schnieds or Buchanan can rove it and get a snap.

 

[nico]

From the very first bounce Hawthorn had 3 loose men in defence. Looked like their wingers moved back. The people around us were commenting before the ball was bounced.

We fell for it in the first Q with having no midfielders getting to the fall of the ball so it was easy for Hawthorn to take it away.

 

[Line in the Sand]

HA! Beating the flood. You guys are the flood. Didn't Spida have so many options to kick to when you got a quick break. No wonder it is always low scoring against sydney.

 

[CAS79]

HA! Beating the flood. You guys are the flood. Didn't Spida have so many options to kick to when you got a quick break. No wonder it is always low scoring against sydney.

Yeah we flood, were not the only ones, some supporters accept there teams flood, others deny it. Like in the last quarter when we were a couple of goals up and we could chip it to ourselves for a while becuase all your guys were behind the ball, allowing us to easily soak up some time, thanks for that.

 

[liz]

HA! Beating the flood. You guys are the flood. Didn't Spida have so many options to kick to when you got a quick break. No wonder it is always low scoring against sydney.

Open both your eyes. Hawthorn spent parts of yesterday's game with 18 players park in and around the Sydney forward 50, as well as starting with a couple of extra men back. The suggestion that Hawthorn never flood is bizarre.

 

[snappy]

HA! Beating the flood. You guys are the flood. Didn't Spida have so many options to kick to when you got a quick break. No wonder it is always low scoring against sydney.

you are kidding arent you? i suggest you not only watch the game again,( that is if u watched it in first place), and read the post above..