Brisbane needs help: 2016

[cotter101]

For what it's worth, I don't really think we deserve a priority pick. I'd much rather more off field assistance.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Um, no, they didn't.

They were allocated draft picks as per the draft rules at the time.

Brisbane last year (& probably this) are asking for additional assistance.

Lol, they were given priority picks under priority pick provisions in the AFL rules. The rules still allow the AFL to give clubs priority picks, all that has changed is the qualification point.

Even for a master obfuscator such as you Jeff, suggesting that these clubs weren't given draft assistance is about six bridges too far.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Brisbane don't need help - their players need a good kick up the ass.

For the amount of money they're on you think they could put in some kind of effort for 2 hours per week.

 

[JeffDunne]

Assuming the AFL give Brisbane a PP this year, they've actually benefited by the AFL changing the rules on PPs.

If the ladder positions don't change between now and the end of the season, they'd be getting pick #2 & pick #5.

Under this system they'd get pick #1 & #3


I'm sure Lions supporters would still find a way to whinge about it.

 

[Geoffa32]

I would have thought absolving all AFL debt would help more than a draft pick.

Especially if said player left the club a year or two later.

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[Hollow Knight]

I would have thought absolving all AFL debt would help more than a draft pick.

Especially if said player left the club a year or two later.

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Shit yeah but that doesn't seem to be on the table yet.

 

[JeffDunne]

Lol, they were given priority picks under priority pick provisions in the AFL rules. The rules still allow the AFL to give clubs priority picks, all that has changed is the qualification point.

Even for a master obfuscator such as you Jeff, suggesting that these clubs weren't given draft assistance is about six bridges too far.

Are you really that daft that you can see the difference?

Rules are objective. Concessions are subjective.

 

[JeffDunne]

I would have thought absolving all AFL debt would help more than a draft pick.

If they're not making repayments to the AFL, what difference does it make?

Probably suits the AFL to carry the debt on their books.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Are you really that daft that you can see the difference?

Rules are objective. Concessions are subjective.

You've jumped the shark on an Evil Knievel rocket car.

Priority picks still exist in the rules. They are a concession either way... all that has changed is that they aren't automatically triggered by pure win/loss numbers any more.

Priority picks are draft assistance no matter which way you try to spin it. You've screwed the pooch on this one.

 

[Leeda]

If they're not making repayments to the AFL, what difference does it make?

Probably suits the AFL to carry the debt on their books.

I'm sure they wish they didn't. Debt eqaiizes lack of substantial work in terms of making sure that a key plank of Queensland is working properly.

 

[Leeda]

Whose fault was it when Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, St Kilda and Collingwood were shithouse and got draft assistance?

a tourniquet of methods so that basically these teams would grab the nettle and move forward.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Assuming the AFL give Brisbane a PP this year, they've actually benefited by the AFL changing the rules on PPs.

If the ladder positions don't change between now and the end of the season, they'd be getting pick #2 & pick #5.

Under this system they'd get pick #1 & #3


I'm sure Lions supporters would still find a way to whinge about it.

You do know a PP doesn't need to be before pick 1? We could just as easily get and end of first rounder as a PP. We don't necessarily stand to get pick 1.

 

[JeffDunne]

You've jumped the shark on an Evil Knievel rocket car.

Priority picks still exist in the rules. They are a concession either way... all that has changed is that they aren't automatically triggered by pure win/loss numbers any more.

Priority picks are draft assistance no matter which way you try to spin it. You've screwed the pooch on this one.

So all the draft picks GWS & the Suns got are just part of the rules open to everyone?

 

[JeffDunne]

You do know a PP doesn't need to be before pick 1? We could just as easily get and end of first rounder as a PP. We don't necessarily stand to get pick 1.

Yeah.

I'm sure you're smart enough to work out which type I was talking about.

(FMD, the hair splitting from Lion fans gets tedious. Too desperate for any sort of win)

 

[Hollow Knight]

So all the draft picks GWS & the Suns got are just part of the rules open to everyone?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make?

 

[Happy_Neale]

Yeah.

I'm sure you're smart enough to work out which type I was talking about.

(FMD, the hair splitting from Lion fans gets tedious. Too desperate for any sort of win)

What do you mean? I don't think we will get pick one if we get a PP at all tbh. More likely around pick 20 i.e. end of first round. Not sure which part of this offended you.

 

[JeffDunne]

I have no idea what point you are trying to make?

The AFL Commission have always had the power to grant concessional priority picks.

When they introduced the priority pick as part of the draft rules, they did so then because the draft was a crap shoot (compared to now). The rule was meant to ensure clubs in real need of talent would have far less chance of missing out. It was a draft mechanism.

When the AFL realised that rule was a typically poorly thought out AFL rule, the clubs unanimously voted to get rid of it and rely instead on the AFL's concessional powers.

The only clubs to date that have been granted a first round concessional priority pick are expansion clubs.

So Brisbane will be the only non-expansion club to receive one if the AFL grant one to them.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Assuming the AFL give Brisbane a PP this year, they've actually benefited by the AFL changing the rules on PPs.

If the ladder positions don't change between now and the end of the season, they'd be getting pick #2 & pick #5.

Under this system they'd get pick #1 & #3


I'm sure Lions supporters would still find a way to whinge about it.

Wrong

Under the old system you needed consecutive years of 4wins or less, were the only team that met the requirements.

Fremantle / Essendon (if they stay at 4 wins or less) would have qualified for end of first round priority pick thou.

So no additional benefit under the new system.

 

[JeffDunne]

Wrong

Under the old system you needed consecutive years of 4wins or less, were the only team that met the requirements.

Fremantle / Essendon (if they stay at 4 wins or less) would have qualified for end of first round priority pick thou.

So no additional benefit under the new system.

*sigh*

I was talking about the rules in place that resulted in most of the priority picks TBD was whinging about.

 

[Balance]

Can a priority pick be a coach?

 

[nahnah]

Priority picks should never have been removed, it was a fair system that helped the really struggling teams. It encourages tanking yes but it's better than seeing a team become Brisbane Lions bad.

 

[TooBlue14]

Carlton comes last to Brisbane last year and lose to Brisbane by huge margins in both games they played each. They asked for a PP so so Brisbane. Neither got one. This year Brisbane has been decimated by injury to most of their first team.

Losing players not unlike what Essendon have lost via cheating. I think an end of First round pick although still unfair v other bottom four sides like blues and GC who've been there a while too. Blues have been in the bottom 8-10 teams for a lot longer than most over the last 15 years. Even in that time frame Brisbane have won 3 premierships. It won't be fair and shouldn't happen.

The only way this works is if what was spoken on footy classified goes ahead with teams who've missed finals for 3 or more years earn priority picks after round 1.

Coaching and development and money is what's affecting Brisbane. Carlton have started to turn it around. Sending more quality players to a shit system will only look even worse in 2-3 years when more request to come back to vic. Remember heaps of players requested to go to Brisbane last year. Beams, bell, ect. None requested to go to Carlton.

Fix the problems behind the scenes before you ask for a PP no way the AFL wastes more money and players up there. Melb turned it all around with looking inside not asking for extras, although they tried.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

*sigh*

I was talking about the rules in place that resulted in most of the priority picks TBD was whinging about.

So the pre 2006 priority rules

I'm sure all Brisbane supporters would be whinging, with a system that would have give us a pre-draft selection in 2011,2015, 2016

 

[Hollow Knight]

So just to clarify... The old priority pick system was implemented to give additional draft picks to teams who were not good enough to win a certain number of games with the intent of improving the talent on their list...

How exactly was this not "draft assistance"?

 

[TW Sherrin]

AFL would be better looking at why the club is crap not throwing another young kid into it. they think they are helping Brisbane but forget the 18yo kid involved.

Didn't the giants set up a apartment complex and house all the kids. It's a great idea and should be funded by he AFL for Sydney, giants, suns and lions.