Brownlow vs Coleman

[Fitzey]

a brownlow medallist - by definition they are favoured by the umps

What about Toney Lockett Brownlow & Coleman!

 

[Fitzey]

Jason Dunstall v Shane Woewodin?

Toney Lockett.

 

[bisazc887]

St Kilda have had plenty of both, got closer to a premiership with a brownlow medalist, but love a coleman medalist in the team as you can see how they are going week to week without waiting for a random night

 

[Swarley]

Brownlow for sure.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

A Coleman means you have a gun KPF. I'll take that over a gun midfielder.

This for me. You can build a side around a gun forward IMO

 

[bradles7]

brownlow need a gun in midfield to drive to the forward

 

[brendan84]

brownlow need a gun in midfield to drive to the forward

But the forward is already kicking enough goals to win the Coleman.

The answer is the Coleman.

 

[hazza1824]

Great question. Premierships have been one without either. But a top elite midfielder is hard to beat. So the brownlow.

 

[MinerBoy]

Starting a team from scratch what you prefer in your team. A Coleman or a Brownlow medalist?

I'd take Coleman and put him at FF, Buddy CHF, Roughy ruck.

What position did Brownlow play?

 

[MinerBoy]

Scott Cummings kicked 95 goals that year. You can fluke a Brownlow, because it's subjective. You can't fluke a Coleman.

You really can't fluke a Brownlow.

If you get 20 votes for instance, I find it hard to imagine the umpires in 7+ games minimum all got it wrong in each of those matches. Sometimes a surprise winner may bob up, but you can be pretty sure they have still had a fantastic season.

 

[Lifetime ban]

Coleman without a shadow of a doubt. Look around the league right now, how many genuine Coleman quality forwards are there, 3 maybe 4. Franklin, Reiwoldt, Petrie, maybe Pav. How many elite mids? GAJ, Pendles, Swan, Delidio, Cotchin, Watson, Selwood, Black, Thompson, Boyd, Montagna, Hayes, Rockliff, Mitchell, Kennedy, Priddis, Beams, Judd, Kerr, Shuey. While genuine quality midfielders aren't exactly a dime a dozen, compared to genuine Coleman medal contenders, their like arseholes, everybody has one.

 

[pacman]

Brownlow, presuming it's in the engine room - the midfield. Would take Ablett/Judd over Franklin/JR to build a club around.

Leigh Mathews Coleman medalist non Brownlow Carey, Gaz Snr, Dunstall all same. Makes it more interesting.

 

[DTRAIN87]

Scott Cummings kicked 95 goals that year. You can fluke a Brownlow, because it's subjective. You can't fluke a Coleman.

You can't fluke a Brownlow either. You have more chance of fluking a GF win than fluking either award.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Of course you can fluke a Brownlow. A Brownlow is based on the opinion of three guys on whether or not you were one of the top 3 players out of 44.

 

[DTRAIN87]

Of course you can fluke a Brownlow. A Brownlow is based on the opinion of three guys on whether or not you were one of the top 3 players out of 44.

Then you can also fluke a coleman in years when the key forwards are injured etc. Matthews Coleman is considered weak due to the small number of goals he kicked, as is Neitz's who was competing against Kent Kingsley of all people.

 

[Necromancer Beth]

You can't fluke a Brownlow either. You have more chance of fluking a GF win than fluking either award.

Still mad bro?

 

[pacman]

Then you can also fluke a coleman in years when the key forwards are injured etc. Matthews Coleman is considered weak due to the small number of goals he kicked, as is Neitz's who was competing against Kent Kingsley of all people.

915 goals yea he didn't deserve a Coleman

 

[DTRAIN87]

915 goals yea he didn't deserve a Coleman

LOL how many goals he kicked in his career is irrelevant. Richardson kicked 800 yet does that mean he deserved a Coleman? John Coleman will be surpassed by Steven Milne by the end of his career in goals kicked, yet this doesn't make him more worthy as a forward or a Coleman winner. Winners such as Matthews were criticised for winning in weak seasons just like Woewodin is for the Brownlow apparently. Even Longmire was canned for kicking only 90 goals in 90. The argument either goes both ways about fluking a win or it doesn't.

 

[pacman]

LOL how many goals he kicked in his career is irrelevant. Richardson kicked 800 yet does that mean he deserved a Coleman? John Coleman will be surpassed by Steven Milne by the end of his career in goals kicked, yet this doesn't make him more worthy as a forward or a Coleman winner. Winners such as Matthews were criticised for winning in weak seasons just like Woewodin is for the Brownlow apparently. Even Longmire was canned for kicking only 90 goals in 90. The argument either goes both ways about fluking a win or it doesn't.

Well why bring up Matthews when you could have easily bought up Wade? Troll

 

[Slax]

Coleman easy. If you've got a forward who can win the Coleman it means two things that are more important than having a Brownlow medalists is this day:

1. You have a quality marking forward who can obviously handle being double teamed. Any start up team is not going to have multiple forward options so the opposition would know who to man up on.
2. You can't win a coleman medal without adecent midfield supplying you.

It's a lot easier to find decent midfielders than blokes who can win a coleman medal.

Remember the golf term drive for show, putt for dough. Translate as midfield is your drive and goals are your dough. Just look at Gold Coast.

 

[Strauchanside]

Starting a team from scratch, I would take a Coleman Medallist.
Kicking goals seems to be a major hurdle for the sides near the tail of the ladder, despite having gun midfielders in their teams, Ablett, Boyd, Ward etc...
If Franklin, Petrie or Pavlich was at the Giants/Suns/Bulldogs how much of a better side would they be?

 

[The Swert]

I would take John Coleman over Chas Brownlow.

That was the question wasn't it?

 

[eth-dog]

Golden fist winner

 

[uncustom]

Stick Tony Lockett at FF, You get both there.

 

[blitzer]

The Coleman's are getting easier and easier to win. Probably not even 70 goals this year. What a joke. That's even with teams like GWS/Gold Coast thrown in. Hell Buddy played like rubbish for half a season, then missed 4 games with a hamstring and he's still leading the tally right now. Its fair to say that current stock of Key Position Forwards in their prime are probably some of the worst we've ever seen.

Brownlow is worth a ton more, even if it is voted by the umpires, it measures being consistently in the top 3 players on the ground throughout a whole season. People bring up Woewodin (who is an exception) but the truth is most of the brownlow winners have been complete guns who have been regular performers for many years ala Judd/Ablett/Swan/Cousins.