Camera work by broadcasters - a problem?

[Boxhead_31]

Looking for answers... so could be. Don't they have zoom though, and the reluctance to zoom is the lack of cameras? Or a preference.

Personally, I don't mind the wider shots during play, allows you to see what may evolve ahead of the play, as long as they take the tight shot for replays of pieces of play that deserve it such as the Ruder/Gray tap in the third

 

[kranky al]

I work in post-production mate. If you could build a camera that has the exact same frame as the other camera than you could do this yes. There are 3D cameras which might be capable of doing this in the future but very ******* expensive.

You dont need to have them doing the same angle - or frame - cameras cut from one angle to another all the time - from close to wide etc - just need to do the exact same thing when they move from dark to light

 

[Luv_our_club]

Watch the match highlights this weekend. Some games show the players as distant figures, others you can see their tats.

I find it hard to believe that brand new stadiums can't achieve the same presentation of a game at the MCG.

 

[00Stinger]

Can say that GC v Melb was horrendous.

Yep. I thought the same thing last night

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[maskmcgee]

Channel 10's camera work looked a lot better than 7's now.

 

[david addison]

Last week's SRA (snot rocket award) went to Jake Carlisle. This week it's Taylor Walker. Congratulations Taylor! After the game Taylor was asked what the secret is, and he said 'one nostril is not enough. If you want to play in the big league, you've got to go the double. Clear sinuses improve performance. Plus I wanted to give a special blow for all the mothers out there on their special day.' Thanks for that insight Taylor! Champion Data have discovered that the single snot rocket is indeed a thing of the past, and doubles have recently crept into the game. The networks have been notified, yet surprisingly they refuse to cut away after the first blow. A representative of Channel 7 was asked why, and this was the response: 'Snot rockets are an intrinsic part of the game. It's dramatic. It's emotional. When you think AFL, you think snot. The two go hand in hand. We intend to not only zoom in on snot rockets, but we have plans to show it in slow motion.'

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Go easy on cameramen. They probably find the game as tedious and hard to watch as we do.

 

[Turboman1994]

Behind the play and close ups I find distracting as hell leave it at wide pan and bihnd The player for shots at goal

 

[hoianbulldog]

I did notice this on the weekend. And here is me thinking being on a bender in Bangkok was the cause. To hell with you foxtel.

 

[DapperJong]

A lot of assumptions about how cameras work in this thread.

 

[Wallaby]

My main complaint is the constant switching to close up stuff...Its a nice half field view, then a kick and the camera switches to a close up marking contest. I prefer to see the wide view not the panning in and out all the time

That's the one that bugs me. There's a long kick, you can see the pack gathering, and a couple of players making their runs for a leap. Then it cuts to the close-up and by the time you have re-focused and worked out who or what you are seeing, the player with the mark is on the way down.

 

[iluvparis]

Most sports broadcasters around the world understand that the wide-angle should be the default for 99.9% of live game play. The closeups/tight angle shots are best saved for replays (if you aren't showing adds).

I think Channel 7 have accidentally moved the decimal point one place too far to the left.

 

[kingswood71]

That's the one that bugs me. There's a long kick, you can see the pack gathering, and a couple of players making their runs for a leap. Then it cuts to the close-up and by the time you have re-focused and worked out who or what you are seeing, the player with the mark is on the way down.

Or there is a free kick for a hold that no one actually saw because the players involved were not in the actual view of the camera!!

 

[hawkgal02]

I care more about the constant cuts to the coaches that adds nothing to the broadcast yet they like to show them until they miss showing the bounce.
I don’t understand why they think that is good tv?

 

[Unknown Identity]

Not only is the camera work sub par but the quality in broadcast differs from each ground.

I own a 65in OLED (shout out to Dave Warner) and quality of Optus Stadium games looks like Standard Definition.

UK gets soccer in UHD and we can barely scrape a decent 1080p/i feed together.

 

[Billy ray]

Not only is the camera work sub par but the quality in broadcast differs from each ground.

I own a 65in OLED (shout out to Dave Warner) and quality of Optus Stadium games looks like Standard Definition.

UK gets soccer in UHD and we can barely scrape a decent 1080p/i feed together.

yeh I agree, perth games (subi and now optus) never seem as good as others - who does the production in perth?

 

[dazbroncos]

The camera work is so poor as to defy description - especially when theres a shadow over the ground.

The camera follows play into the light and blooms out - before eventually adjusting EVERY SINGLE TIME.

The guy controlling it needs to take charge of this shit - there needs to be one of the cameras optimised for shade when players are getting close and light when coming the other way

As soon as the play moves into the dark/ light - the camera changes with it.

This is dead set basic shit.

If is was SO easy then anyone must be able to just do it.

FYI - often the iris control is taken over by the Video controller or shader in the truck. Has nothing to do with the Cam op per se IF their iris control has been removed.

As for the correction, the lens just like your eye needs time to adjust to it if its on Auto. If ifs manual, and often is the Shader must be watching potentially 8-12 cameras and try to keep up with which one the Director is taking for that shot at the time.

And unless you want to pay double for tickets, Foxtel or whatever, there is no way in the world they will double up cameras at all positions to give you a pre-irised lens position for dark and light shots.

Go Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

No - one camera is pointed at the light where they anticipate the play emerging

I see how this thread is gonna end up after reading this post.

GO Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

Yes, exactly!
The best camera work allows you to see the peripheral stuff, not just the close ups

Thats all on the director or the TD. The director calls the cuts and the TD or switcher takes them. Nothing to do with the Cam ops.

GO Catters

 

[lewigie]

So the issue is probably with the directors at each game and not the camera work.

Being a director on live sports is ****ing hard work.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

When they are replaying the shot for goal, why don't they show the goal being kicked instead of zeroing in on the kicker, from waist up, kicking then celebrating, but not the ball going through?

 

[Hawthorn United]

Most sports broadcasters around the world understand that the wide-angle should be the default for 99.9% of live game play. The closeups/tight angle shots are best saved for replays (if you aren't showing adds).

I think Channel 7 have accidentally moved the decimal point one place too far to the left.

Came here to say this. Every other sport allows you to see what's unfolding around and ahead of the play.

Replays and break in quarters/half analysis is when those close-up and alternative angles get used.

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[kranky al]

If is was SO easy then anyone must be able to just do it.

FYI - often the iris control is taken over by the Video controller or shader in the truck. Has nothing to do with the Cam op per se IF their iris control has been removed.

As for the correction, the lens just like your eye needs time to adjust to it if its on Auto. If ifs manual, and often is the Shader must be watching potentially 8-12 cameras and try to keep up with which one the Director is taking for that shot at the time.

And unless you want to pay double for tickets, Foxtel or whatever, there is no way in the world they will double up cameras at all positions to give you a pre-irised lens position for dark and light shots.

Go Catters

I wasnt aware that i said they had to double up every camera for every shot.

Nope - dont believe i did

All i said was ONE of the cameras at the game should be optimised for the opposite light conditions the other cameras are on as play moves close to the edge between dark and light



I love it when people try to put words in your mouth in an attempt to make your view look ridiculous.

 

[iluvparis]

yeh I agree, perth games (subi and now optus) never seem as good as others - who does the production in perth?

I think it was especially bad this week because it was the Ch 7 Saturday night game - so if you switched over from the Dogs-Lions game in Foxtel on HD straight to the Freo game it looked absolutely horrendous because it was in SD

 

[kingswood71]

Thats all on the director or the TD. The director calls the cuts and the TD or switcher takes them. Nothing to do with the Cam ops.

GO Catters

Well its the bloody TD's fault....Who ever that is !!