Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft?

[Lance Uppercut]

Could’ve been some of my best work if I was paying attention.

Happy New Years mate. We haven’t butted heads for a while.

Haha so close.

Happy NY to you as well, yes I've been enjoying a footy free summer, feelsgoodman

 

[Luv_our_club]

, yes I've been enjoying a footy free summer, feelsgoodman

You are taking a break????? but you still need to stop in here for your fix of talking about Hawthorn with Hawthorn supporters.

I don't how much money you have, or if the banks have enough money to cover the cost of the high end psychotherapy that you need to realise that you truly love the brown and the gold.

 

[Freomaniac]

Nah, we never get anything right at Hawthorn, you only have to read Big Footy to understand that.

you realise this is big footy.

Its not who wins the flag, its about who has the best youf

 

[Freomaniac]

So we're due next year?

Excellent

Hawks are like $6 to make the grand final. Not bad odds

 

[Lance Uppercut]

You are taking a break????? but you still need to stop in here for your fix of talking about Hawthorn with Hawthorn supporters.

I don't how much money you have, or if the banks have enough money to cover the cost of the high end psychotherapy that you need to realise that you truly love the brown and the gold.

wow how triggered are you?

To jump on literally the only post I've made in a Hawthorn thread in over 3 months, on a post that is a simple opportunistic word play joke, and isn't even remotely about Hawthorn?

Send me the deeds to your account when you get a chance, as I obviously own you lock stock and barrel

 

[Luv_our_club]

wow how triggered are you?

To jump on literally the only post I've made in a Hawthorn thread in over 3 months, on a post that is a simple opportunistic word play joke, and isn't even remotely about Hawthorn?

Send me the deeds to your account when you get a chance, as I obviously own you lock stock and barrel

Truth is not your strong point,

 

[Pessimistic]

Hawks are like $6 to make the grand final. Not bad odds

Insurance value. Put $50 on and your tickets paid for.

 

[Marcel Proust]

What a pity you lost ORourke.

He was a number 2 pick

out

Ryan Burton, pick 19
Kieran Lovell, pick 22
Jonathan O'Rourke, pick 2
Brendan Whitecross, pick 29
Cyril Rioli, pick 12
Ty Vickery, pick 8

 

[Carl Spackler]

out

Ryan Burton, pick 19
Kieran Lovell, pick 22
Jonathan O'Rourke, pick 2
Brendan Whitecross, pick 29
Cyril Rioli, pick 12
Ty Vickery, pick 8

If anything, doesn't that list prove that the top end of the draft is a crap shoot and not the fundamental element of building a champion team?

 

[Gralin]

out

Ryan Burton, pick 19
Kieran Lovell, pick 22
Jonathan O'Rourke, pick 2
Brendan Whitecross, pick 29
Cyril Rioli, pick 12
Ty Vickery, pick 8

Only two of those were drafted by us in the last 5 years and we didn't pay the picks listed for O'Rourke or Ty, in fact we didn't pay any picks for Ty

 

[Pessimistic]

While whitey was unlucky not to get a premiership medal, he’s definately been in the ‘win’ column

Trying to think of a more unlucky player ever. Looking at the books, Rod Lester-Smith played 97 games in 84-87, playing only in the losing grand finals 84 and 85, last minute omission in 86

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Lester-Smith

 

[Marcel Proust]

Every teams list hovers around the same mark due to a decent proportion of it being made up of 18-21 year olds who never play more than a couple of games.

What matters is the age of the best 22. Hawthorn’s is old. That is not a problem by itself, but having an old best 22 and getting better is a very difficult thing to do. A player like Breust being 28 may not be a problem, but having half the best 22 older than 28 is, because injury risk increases with age, and increases dramatically as a player approaches and surpasses 30.

Which is why you get teams like Geelong, Fremantle and Hawthorn bundles out in straight sets in recent years. Very old sides do it tougher at the end of the year

Burgoyne, Shaun 36yr
Roughead, Jarryd 32yr
Puopolo, Paul 31yr
Birchall, Grant 31yr
Henderson, Ricky 30yr
Frawley, James 30yr
Smith, Isaac 30yr
Stratton, Benjamin 30yr
McEvoy, Ben 29yr
Schoenmakers, Ryan 28yr
Breust, Luke 28yr

If anything, doesn't that list prove that the top end of the draft is a crap shoot and not the fundamental element of building a champion team?

CRioli was a jet, Vickery kicked a lot of goals in the AFL,Ryan Burton departure outraged a large percentage of hawks fans, Whitecross was servicable

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Bigfooty be like ....

 

[Gromma]

Does anyone really rate Scrimshaw?

As pointed out earlier. Gold coast had 26 healthy bodies and he still could not get a game.[/]

Says more about GC than anything else.


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[Gavin Excell]

No

Other than hawthorn deniers nobody rates scrimshaw

 

[Red Bull]

Caught up with a few mates yesterday , 4 of them hawthorn men.
They all believe the party's over and their biggest concern is an extended period on the ladder in "no mans land" ...

 

[Guy Heaven]

Why not?

We can just draft another champion battler like Hodgey or superstar like Cyril.

 

[Gavin Excell]

The bigger question is whether flimsy hawks fan stay fat for the long haul

Hard yards ahead

 

[Red Bull]

The bigger question is whether flimsy hawks fan stay fat for the long haul

Hard yards ahead

Made no bones about it , they said "the party's over" and they will be attending local footy ...

 

[Guy Heaven]

The bigger question is whether flimsy hawks fan stay fat for the long haul

Hard yards ahead

Or whether geelong will be able to fill their little boutique stadium once selwood and ablett are playing in wheelchairs and there getting belted by carlton after trading there draft picks away.

You dont have the ability to reach while drafting and pickup elite young talent like Scilily.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Or whether geelong will be able to fill their little boutique stadium once selwood and ablett are playing in wheelchairs and there getting belted by carlton after trading there draft picks away.

You dont have the ability to reach while drafting and pickup elite young talent like Scilily.

We'll be right

Your clubs concern is the reliance on the half hearted fans who wont tolerate non finals action

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We'll be right

Your clubs concern is the reliance on the half hearted fans who wont tolerate non finals action

That’s why Hawthorn broke their membership record the season after they last missed finals(2017).

 

[Gavin Excell]

That’s why Hawthorn broke their membership record the season after they last missed finals(2017).

Too many facts and not enough gut feel

 

[Big_Luch]

Only two of those were drafted by us in the last 5 years and we didn't pay the picks listed for O'Rourke or Ty, in fact we didn't pay any picks for Ty

You paid money for Ty which is just as bad

 

[Gralin]

You paid money for Ty which is just as bad

There is a minimum spend on the salary cap, I'm less worried about the money he took than the list position.

And that is only because he turned out to be a poor choice. the idea was sound