List Mgmt. Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

[Arr0w]

That's the 6 I had that makes sense, although Rozee makes sense also.
Clearly SOS and co aren't reading too much to some Phantom drafters seeing Smith as being the best mid. I'd back SOS on this one.

Just about to watch 4 of the top 7 recruits right now. Looking forward to it.

Pretty sure one of our better rumour mongers suggested Smith was also a consideration

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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/carltons-2018-draft-thread-ii.1209021/page-103#post-58999152

 

[DangerousD]

The FA and DFA and other 'trades' are all exciting stuff for those so inclined..but the evidence is that only Hawthorn has been able to actually win flag(s) employing the 'destination' Club and top up strategy - this has now devolved (for them) into sustaining some sort of competitiveness - even to the degree of letting go one of their best if not best young players ( without his knowledge) in order to secure the 'services' of Wingard - it is an ever expanding doom loop because ultimately they have no youth pushing through.

Clarkson is reaching and so are Geelong for all their mighty trade know how - under Scott are epic failures in finals since they lost the core of what they had built and developed in house from the ground up.

All this in context of Carlton's 'draft thread' - only because the Club clearly signalled the draft for 2020 was probably not going to be the #1 point of focus when Stocker was brought in - this was clearly stated on draft night by myself and others not rocket science. The truth is though that Carlton will have to continue getting young players in via the draft and rookie decisions - because it is important to maintain a balanced list - which means continual renewal and regeneration. SOS and his recruiters ultimately score big points in finding quality in later round picks - and sans injury to Williamson/McCreadie - they seem to be doing ok so far.

Collingwood and Richmond have been the standout draft/trade success stories after Melbourne. Whilst Adelaide and WC continue to demonstrate their ability to grow and develop their own.

Truth is Clubs have to be able to make astute trades without jeopardising their culture or list balance AND be able to develop their own youth.

I was all for getting Shiel into Carlton - principally because I fear the damage to Cripps for lack of developed body support around him. However it became obvious that Shiel was not committed to Carlton ie he was not a 'buyer' of the journey the Club is on - so we move on - quickly. We ended up with Walsh/Setterfield and Stocker - pretty obvious to me we are in a far far better place given a fair shake with injury.

I read people clamouring for Coniglio or Kelly or someone else - anyone else with a 'name'...but a year or two from now I fully expect that Carlton will have developed its own abundance of 'names'....success will be having developing youth under them showing as much potential....

It is up to the players we have to force themselves into a position of replacing Simpson/Thomas/Murphy/Ed /Kreuzer and largely on a 2-3 year view SOS and Bolton have most of these covered already.

It doesn't 'look' like it so much right now - but the Club has been absolutely outstanding in getting toe h point it is right now as quickly as it has- sure there has been a 'cost' - but that has been paid - and membership growth is one example which underlines just how much in favour the typical person is of common sense and correct management.

We are in a far far better place than we have been previously in this century.

Good post, it’s for many reasons outlined in this post that I see the club being better served going after players like Tomlinson, Ellis, Cunningham as free agents and smaller name trades like Archie Smith, Blakely, Bonnar.

There is so much value out there that doesn’t need million dollar contracts and giving up huge assets.

 

[DangerousD]

Wait are we talking about Riley Bonner from Port or Aidan Bonar from GWS?

Port, out of contract this year, I would hope the club is at least asking the question.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

IMO Max King would have been seriously considered for the #1 pick before the knee injury, so that no doubt would have taken away a very difficult decision between him and Walshy, personally Walsh Rankine Rozee top three in the draft, wishful thinking had me hoping we could somehow manufacture another pick to get Rozee as well, he could be anything...

 

[Eiffel 65]

IMO Max King would have been seriously considered for the #1 pick before the knee injury, so that no doubt would have taken away a very difficult decision between him and Walshy, personally Walsh Rankine Rozee top three in the draft, wishful thinking had me hoping we could somehow get Rozee as well, he could be anything...

If Max King was fully fit and a clear #1 in the draft, I reckon we would have traded the pick.

McKay, Curnow, McGovern and King would be too top heavy.

It wouldn't be the greatest move to use pick one on a surplus, unless you're strengthening your midfield.

 

[katmanblue]

I hope we get Flanders, just for the Simpson's memes

Solid reasoning

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[FitzroyBlueBagger]

If Max King was fully fit and a clear #1 in the draft, I reckon we would have traded the pick.

McKay, Curnow, McGovern and King would be too top heavy.

It wouldn't be the greatest move to use pick one on a surplus, unless you're strengthening your midfield.

Agree 100% still wouldn't have made the decision any easier Eiffel, before the knee the consensus was by those who new best, there had never been a player standing 204cm with not only his football abilities but the physical speed and agility he possessed. His ability both in the air and on the ground was at a level you just don't get in players that size, anyway I'm more than rapt with the way things worked out...

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Agree 100% still wouldn't have made the decision any easier Eiffel, before the knee the consensus was by those who new best, there had never been a player standing 204cm with not only his football abilities but the physical speed and agility he possessed. His ability both in the air and on the ground was at a level you just don't get in players that size, anyway I'm more than rapt with the way things worked out...

Plenty of New Age garbage there.

The theory is bollocks.

It’s been around for 50 years.

Len Thompson, Salmon, Ben Marsh, Tippett.

Sandilands and Cox were Rookies if you are looking for talented longevity.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Plenty of New Age garbage there.

The theory is bollocks.

It’s been around for 50 years.

Len Thompson, Salmon, Ben Marsh, Tippett.

Sandilands and Cox were Rookies if you are looking for talented longevity.

Your comment doesn't make sense , how does that relate to the conversation at all?

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Your comment doesn't make sense , how does that relate to the conversation at all?

That being 204cm and being able to bend over and pick up a footy puts you at the front of the pack.

 

[thylacine60]

Agree 100% still wouldn't have made the decision any easier Eiffel, before the knee the consensus was by those who new best, there had never been a player standing 204cm with not only his football abilities but the physical speed and agility he possessed. His ability both in the air and on the ground was at a level you just don't get in players that size, anyway I'm more than rapt with the way things worked out...

Plenty of New Age garbage there.

The theory is bollocks.

It’s been around for 50 years.

Len Thompson, Salmon, Ben Marsh, Tippett.

Sandilands and Cox were Rookies if you are looking for talented longevity.

Your comment doesn't make sense , how does that relate to the conversation at all?

unwitting poty

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Is not.

Is it??

Just felt like arguing.

I’m like that, back to important Divinyls stuff.

 

[mediumsizered]

Don't you start singing 'I Touch Myself'.

 

[BlueTang]

Hi, stupid question - sorry.

What are our picks for next year? Adelaides 1st and 3rd round? Is there any other low picks? Cheers

 

[Eiffel 65]

Hi, stupid question - sorry.

What are our picks for next year? Adelaides 1st and 3rd round? Is there any other low picks? Cheers

Yea, I believe we've got Adelaide's 1st rounder, CFC & AFC's 3rd rounders + some later selections.

 

[BlueTang]

Thanks Eiffel, I did try googling it unsuccessfully...

 

[mediumsizered]

Paddy Dow's younger brother is part of the AFL Academy this year. Will keep an interested eye on his NAB League (ex-TAC Cup) performances this year.
https://nableague.com.au/season-preview-bendigo-pioneers-boys-2019/
TOP 2019 AFL DRAFT PROSPECTS
Thomson Dow (Swan Hill): “Thomson goes to Geelong Grammar as well, so we’ll have him and Brodie at the start of the season before school footy starts. Thomson is a midfielder who can also play forward and kick goals. He’s from a basketball background, so he has good peripheral vision, really quick hands and good decision-making ability. He’s a pretty complete player and has really developed his body recently.”

 

[Jeremias]

Hi, stupid question - sorry.

What are our picks for next year? Adelaides 1st and 3rd round? Is there any other low picks? Cheers

Worth keeping an eye on this thread which will be updated throughout the season -

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...r-now-verified-following-live-trades.1206928/

 

[smashbox gill]

Isn’t Walsh’s brother U18 this year? And isn’t he 200+cm?

If so, there’s our ruckman for the next decade sorted

 

[BlueTang]

Worth keeping an eye on this thread which will be updated throughout the season -

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...r-now-verified-following-live-trades.1206928/

Perfect, will do cheers!

 

[katmanblue]

Isn’t Walsh’s brother U18 this year? And isn’t he 200+cm?

If so, there’s our ruckman for the next decade sorted

Small matter of whether or not he can play.

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[smashbox gill]

Small matter of whether or not he can play.

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Pretty sure i remember reading he was making all the representative sides.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Isn’t Walsh’s brother U18 this year? And isn’t he 200+cm?

If so, there’s our ruckman for the next decade sorted

I believe Paddy Dow, Tom De Koning and Sam Walsh all have brothers eligible in this years draft.

Yea, Sammy's brother is a ruckman.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Paddy Dow's younger brother is part of the AFL Academy this year. Will keep an interested eye on his NAB League (ex-TAC Cup) performances this year.
https://nableague.com.au/season-preview-bendigo-pioneers-boys-2019/
TOP 2019 AFL DRAFT PROSPECTS
Thomson Dow (Swan Hill): “Thomson goes to Geelong Grammar as well, so we’ll have him and Brodie at the start of the season before school footy starts. Thomson is a midfielder who can also play forward and kick goals. He’s from a basketball background, so he has good peripheral vision, really quick hands and good decision-making ability. He’s a pretty complete player and has really developed his body recently.”

I think you'll find every Carlton supporter will want to draft this kid.

Nothing better than seeing two brothers play for the same club.

Make it happen SOS.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I think you'll find every Carlton supporter will want to draft this kid.

Nothing better than seeing two brothers play for the same club.

Make it happen SOS.

#4 Thomas Dow 183cm 72kg Oct 2001 (2019 height/W) BendigoPioneers
#20 Sam DeKoning 200cm 85kg Feb 2001 (2019 H/W) DandenongStingrays
#46 Henry Walsh 201cm 84kg June 2002 (2019 H/W) GeelongFalcons
#10 Harrison Minton-Connell 179cm 74kg Mar 2001 (2019 H/W) CalderCannons Simon 19games 89-91
#5 Cameron Wild 184cm 80kg Nov 2001 (2019 H/W) MurrayBushrangers *
#18 Sunny Brazier 190cm 00kg Mar 2000 (2019H) NorthernKnights *
#25 MacKenzie Hogg 175cm 00kg Jan 2001 (2019H/W) NorthernKnights Mathew 114games 92-99
#44 Archi Manton 186cm 93kg lMar 2000 (2019H/W) WesternJets Glenn 157games 95-03
#66 Charlie McKay 184cm 76kg Aug 2002 (2019H/W) SandringhamDragons Andrew 244games 93-03
#40 Jett Mathews 183cm 85kg Feb (2019H/W) WesternJets Ashley 9games 89-91