Autopsy Cats lose to Lions by 41 points.

[Play it Sam]

There defence was ok, Harris Andrews played well, I think it was more our entries were either the wrong option or kicked like crap.. again, uncharacteristic on evidence to date

True, that doesn't help, but from where I was sitting they gave us no room at all, wore us and jumped on every entry.
We don't deserve any excuses of course, but......

I have to say, we had absolutely zilch luck, one of those nights, any free ball, bounce, loose ball for handballs out of contests, midfield taps, some umpiring choices, goal kicking accuracy and more. Footy Gods frowned.
On top of what we could have, but didn't, control with skills and positioning.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Scott: “Put this into the category of being beaten by the better team on the night.”

Bye

Next: Rd 17 Richmond

The Tuggers’ fans have this game as an excoriation.

Could be

Except, Geelong was second on the ladder + Brisbane were third.

Tuggers’ fans, because Tuggers’ fans, neglect to see a third on the ladder defeat second.

What do we do for the Bye week? Hoping Baz entertains us

 

[Vdubs]

Horrifying. Error ridden, skill less, gutless, beaten, luck less.
No wonder they put out recycle bins for the Tshirts.
The silence there was deafening, and not because my hearing aid failed, along with any sort of internet reception.
What do you do? name and shame would take too long. Do what they do, suck it up. Just a blip on the transcendental highway. Of which tonight, I got breathalyzed. Dog of a night all round.

Hope you passed the breathalyser

 

[Vdubs]

Feels like we were almost denied a game of footy tonight.

Had vaseline on our boots from the get-go and simply couldn't win kicking the way we did.

Didn't really learn much. Brisbane are a good outfit and defended us well.

Next time we play this mob....CS best use whoever Andrews is playing on as a decoy.

We can't kick it near him no matter what. Neale gets wrecked by these big strong defenders and is made to look like a guy who just posts gym pics in the preseason and doesn't actually lift.

We looked tired... Maybe it's a good time to cop a bye.

I'm not overly concerned about losing... Just didn't happen for us on this occasion.

Also think getting Brisbane after a couple of losses was stiff timing... They were due.

Yep, combo of who plus when this week

 

[fpm84]

Really poor decision to put Mullin on Charlie Cameron

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who has barely fired a shot all season and didn't again tonight. Charlie is not dangerous enough anymore to warrant super close attention. Mullin has done some excellent tagging jobs in the middle and it was negligent to not send him to Neale or McCluggage.

Tonight's loss was more about poor execution compared to anything else but it again highlighted that we are just a midfielder or two short. Not getting anything out of Guthrie or Bruhn to date, Bowes being deployed down back to cover injuries and then getting injured himself, and neither Clark or Knevitt forcing themself into the team has had a cumulative effect.

 

[Commando]

It's easy in hindsight but we looked tired and a team screaming for a bye

Also for all his perceived flaws we look much better with SDK in the side

 

[cats_09]

I find the insistence upon analysing this loss as if there's some kind of "deeper" meaning other than skill execution and conversion to be pretentious. It's like people dislike looking at those factors because they're "too obvious" or something.

Sometimes the truth is boring. Sorry!

I was listening to Krock on the way home - I don't get all the post match stuff, but do generally get to listen to them breaking down the numbers

Other than Brisbane finishing with 11 more tackles, the other key category they dominated - 70 more effective disposals and that's it in a nutshell

If we look at other areas

Geelong vs Brisbane -
Contested possessions: 129 to 133
Uncontested: 168 to 234
Marks: 81 to 110
Hitouts: 36 to 39
Scoring shots: 21 to 22
Clearances: 36 to 37
Inside 50s: 51 to 58
Clangers: 67 to 67
Turnovers: 74 to 74

We didn't really get dominated across the board and it was that poor disposal efficiency that cost us; when you're on top in that area you're generally also on top of areas like uncontested possessions as you're able to control play

But even with us being down in that area, we still gave ourselves enough chances

The score chart shows 12 missed set shots; all 12 were within a 60 degree angle of the goals, 6 or 7 of them within 30 degrees and 3 all but dead in front - that's purely poor execution on our behalf

 

[kickazz]

Thought I'd reply here as Daz was going to lock the other thread

I have no doubt we'll see that from the media, just as we've been seeing it on here throughout the match

Did we play well - no, but it also didn't feel like we were dismantled, destroyed and back to the drawing board etc

Tonight reminded me a bit of our pre-season clash with Essendon; they couldn't miss and looked a million bucks throughout the match and we made everything look hard. That night it was 23 scoring shots to 19, but Essendon ran out 21 point winners... Let's look at how the two teams are currently fairing

While I'm disappointed in the defensive pressure; 50 tackles for the match with 17 in the last quarter which is great, it makes the 20 in the first half look like the shit it was

We more than had our chances throughout the night - what may have been if Tyson kicks the first goal against the run of play? Instead we see Brisbane pile on 4 quick goals, including at least one arsy one

We just missed way too many gettable goals that we've been converting in recent weeks

As the final predicted scores say - we convert we win. I get the frustration from the fans, but the coaches aren't throwing everything out the window after tonight's performance

If tonight's performance becomes a pattern, then it gives the coaches something to seriously think about. But we don't throw out what's clearly been working over the first 15 rounds and seen us get to 10 wins - let's not overreact off one loss

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The expected score can go jam it, we were well and truly outplayed

 

[Live in hope]

Agree. We never have Fort a chance. Never selected him. Premiership player.

I’m not saying Darcy was a ‘must keep’ (a fit and motivated Stanley is a better option) but he was at least a resilient and competitive ruck, who could kick goals and has proved his worth at Brisbane.

 

[Play it Sam]

Hope you passed the breathalyser

Some turnip (you know, the ones that carry a tray of cans and have to push past the entire row, ALL NIGHT) tripped and spilled his beer all over me. Of course the copper would have smelled that as soon as my window came down.
But not this little black duck, rarely drink and not at the footy.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I’m not saying Darcy was a ‘must keep’ (a fit and motivated Stanley is a better option) but he was at least a resilient and competitive ruck, who could kick goals and has proved his worth at Brisbane.

Totally agree, but what choice did we have?

He left for more opportunity, and at that point in time, Big O was still regarded as a bit of a spud, rather than the very solid ruck he's been over the last couple of years.

Fort's just that classic backup ruckman story. Would never be your first choice, but you'd love him as a breakglass option.

The problem is these types are always going to look for more opportunity, they're the wicketkeepers of the AFL.

 

[Baudolino]

The score chart shows 12 missed set shots; all 12 were within a 60 degree angle of the goals, 6 or 7 of them within 30 degrees and 3 all but dead in front - that's purely poor execution on our behalf

Exactly.

It's not like this was a case where you could say "Well, sure, the scoreboard says we were basically even with them fdor scoring shots, but actually ours were of way higher difficulty than theirs and if you dig a bit deeper you'll find that Brisbane pushed us wide and made us take low percentage shots." We had good looks at the goals, we just didn't finish the job.

 

[Play it Sam]

I was listening to Krock on the way home - I don't get all the post match stuff, but do generally get to listen to them breaking down the numbers

Other than Brisbane finishing with 11 more tackles, the other key category they dominated - 70 more effective disposals and that's it in a nutshell

If we look at other areas

Geelong vs Brisbane -
Contested possessions: 129 to 133
Uncontested: 168 to 234
Marks: 81 to 110
Hitouts: 36 to 39
Scoring shots: 21 to 22
Clearances: 36 to 37
Inside 50s: 51 to 58
Clangers: 67 to 67
Turnovers: 74 to 74

We didn't really get dominated across the board and it was that poor disposal efficiency that cost us; when you're on top in that area you're generally also on top of areas like uncontested possessions as you're able to control play

But even with us being down in that area, we still gave ourselves enough chances

The score chart shows 12 missed set shots; all 12 were within a 60 degree angle of the goals, 6 or 7 of them within 30 degrees and 3 all but dead in front - that's purely poor execution on our behalf

That's exactly what we said, there is no way you can win with the shocking disposal much less the inaccuracy we were horrified to see tonight. It was just a groan fest, and so un Geelong like. Waiting to see what Scott says - apart from Lions were ace, blah, blah.

 

[CatRiot]

It's easy in hindsight but we looked tired and a team screaming for a bye

Also for all his perceived flaws we look much better with SDK in the side

We just had the Bye!

We played Essendon!

 

[supahoops]

Could someone give me some justification for the Irish continuing to get a game?

Your eyes painted on?

 

[GlenMiddlemissed]

You could just see this happening from mid-week onwards, even if we (me) chose to just hope it wouldn't. We had played 5 good games, Brisbane had been very ordinary. Brisbane had been castigated for poor goal conversion, we had an article written showing we were the most accurate team in the competition. Brisbane hadn't won here for 20 something years. Etc etc. Everyone who had been in form had their worst game for the year.

And yet at the end of the game it was 21 shots on goal to 22.

The only thing that really disappoints me is that Chris Scott

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(and I'm a fan) has reverted to his "play only the same old players" method from years ago. Geelong (and I suppose the other teams too) seems to play better when there are some younger ones with more enthusiasm and more incentive in the team. Old players not performing keep their spots, younger ones busting a gut in the reserves never get a chance. It makes for complacent players who don't really put in when the game is a bit hard, safe in the knowledge that they won't get dropped. What do we gain in either the short or longer term by playing, say, Duncan, instead of Knevitt? What can, say, George Stevens provide - we'll never know if we don't try. And I think these younger players will try harder than some of the older players who let us down today with a lack of effort. Drop a couple, send a message - that ain't good enough. Give the younger ones some reward for effort, don't reward no effort in senior players.

P.S. OHenry seemed to try harder after being dropped.....

 

[CatRiot]

Lowman and Rayner seem to find a gear when they play us.

And those Ashcroft boys look classy.

How about that Morris kid... not bad hey

Roaar

 

[Live in hope]

Totally agree, but what choice did we have?

He left for more opportunity, and at that point in time, Big O was still regarded as a bit of a spud, rather than the very solid ruck he's been over the last couple of years.

Fort's just that classic backup ruckman story. Would never be your first choice, but you'd love him as a breakglass option.

The problem is these types are always going to look for more opportunity, they're the wicketkeepers of the AFL.

Oh - I agree entirely. My issue is that he’s inaccurately classified as a spud, when clearly he isn’t.

 

[cats_09]

 

[catstragic]

Not upset at that loss. Lions played very well and jumped us. After we adjusted and evened up general play we couldn't kick straight at the sticks. Neale got pantsed, but it'll serve him in good stead going forward. If Danger retired tomorrow then Atkins should be captain.

Really need to see someone in the seconds push Duncan out, his kicking ain't doing us any favors at the moment and that's still the strongest part of his game.

In positive news my 3 year old solemnly told me that "he loves Geelong" during the game so probably got a life time recruit to the clan there. Go Cats.

 

[Play it Sam]

Exactly.

It's not like this was a case where you could say "Well, sure, the scoreboard says we were basically even with them fdor scoring shots, but actually ours were of way higher difficulty than theirs and if you dig a bit deeper you'll find that Brisbane pushed us wide and made us take low percentage shots." We had good looks at the goals, we just didn't finish the job.

I get your point, but there were at least four gettable shots that would be sodas on a good day.
Shannon needs to practice more, because that's his job, as does Martin if he's going forward.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

You could just see this happening from mid-week onwards, even if we (me) chose to just hope it wouldn't. We had played 5 good games, Brisbane had been very ordinary. Brisbane had been castigated for poor goal conversion, we had an article written showing we were the most accurate team in the competition. Brisbane hadn't won here for 20 something years. Etc etc. Everyone who had been in form had their worst game for the year.

And yet at the end of the game it was 21 shots on goal to 22.

The only thing that really disappoints me is that Chris Scott (and I'm a fan) has reverted to his "play only the same old players" method from years ago. Geelong (and I suppose the other teams too) seems to play better when there are some younger ones with more enthusiasm and more incentive in the team. Old players not performing keep their spots, younger ones busting a gut in the reserves never get a chance. It makes for complacent players who don't really put in when the game is a bit hard, safe in the knowledge that they won't get dropped. What do we gain in either the short or longer term by playing, say, Duncan, instead of Knevitt? What can, say, George Stevens provide - we'll never know if we don't try. And I think these younger players will try harder than some of the older players who let us down today with a lack of effort. Drop a couple, send a message - that ain't good enough. Give the younger ones some reward for effort, don't reward no effort in senior players.

This is a reasonable take, but I think Stevens is the only one who can really feel hard done by at all.

Knevitt earned his spot over the pre-season and got his chance, and he didn't take it, while Clark has fumbled his chance at every opportunity.

Someone like Retshko will likely get his shot early next year if his form continues, feels like a classic Geelong VFL development story. Polk a chance as well, albeit harder with our forward line.

Dempsey, COS, Mannagh, and Humphries are very recent proof that if you actually perform, the MC will keep you in.

That doesn't mean dominating every week, or even avoiding substandard games. All four have had them.

It just means showing that you're at the level in that first, second, or third chance, and unfortunately for Knevitt and Clark, they haven't done that.

Wouldn't be surprised if George gets his debut after the bye. Expect they've pencilled that Richmond game in for a debut for a while.

 

[The Unforgiven]

I would not say O’Sullivan played a good game. He tried his guts out and showed flashes of his exceptional talent but made some horrendous errors.

The only Geelong player who played well was Cameron.

What more could Tom Atkins have done? He played very well. He was out best mid by far.

 

[Wojcinski]

jesus wept

 

[smotherking]

Best thing about the game was the atmosphere prior to the bounce. But beyond that…very little to cheer about. Irritating game and some pretty annoying Brisbane fans around too