Autopsy Cats lose to Saints by 7 points - should have been more

[Art Vandelay_]

My point.

When the game was being taken over, experienced players should have taken more load.

Danger, for whatever reason, didn’t think his leadership would be better in the midfield when we were getting hammered.

That’s my point entirely.

Secondary to that was those players, who are experienced enough to give a toss, to actually try to win the ball. Those I listed also.

To continuously blame the younger kids, when these senior players float about with no accountability, is daft.

And here you are.


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Geez. Could have done without the last drive by.
You were making a reasonable albeit different point up to that stage.

I criticise all our 2nd tier mids equally and fairly based on output not age and experience.

 

[Play it Sam]

Hopefully that's literature. If it's just social media then I'm not up against much!!

Funny. Reading BF is like reading War and Peace, but more pages.

 

[The Unforgiven]

Taking the complex shot when someone else is clear, now that's a prime Hungus.
Smith in the 22 GF. Smith last week. We need more Smiths.

Now I'm hungry (not hungo). Oh, wait. You're not referring to the chips, nor the spuds they're made from, as no Smith on our list has ever been a spud. Come to think of it, we've had more Smiths than I can remember. I guess that means we're bound to land another one soon!

 

[frggr]

King usually irritates me, but I find myself agreeing with him when he said 'Geelong thought they only had to turn up tonight'.

They were insipid from the first bounce.

You could say that about any St Kilda game of the last 10 years

 

[The Unforgiven]

Funny. Reading BF is like reading War and Peace, but more pages.

BigFooty can out Leo Tolstoy the great man himself!

 

[numbwombat]

Disappointing result after getting so close but our onballers just nowhere near the level without Stewart and Smith. Centre and follower lines (named as Dempsey-Holmes-OHenry and SDK-Atkins-Knevitt) would be the youngest and least rated of any team in the league.

Liked Clark early, Clohesy, O’Sullivan. Pleasing to see Knevitt with 16 touches, 7 tackles and a goal in a hard loss, more impressive than racking up 20+ last week in a soft win.

Blicavs’ kick to a 20-man throng in the goalsquare with 5 minutes to go and an otherwise-nearly-empty arc was my lowlight but we had about 10 terrible inside 50s and kicks for goal in that late burst.

 

[Lana]

Only saw the first half, missed the fightback.

Our forward-line is way too top heavy with Danger, O.Henry, Cameron and Neale. St Kilda weren't playing that many talls to be begin with. It is why St Kilda were just getting more players to contest then us. None of those four are going to chase enough for it to work, they move Cameron onto the wing a move then really never works. Cameron needs to be playing against a KPD, he needs an agilty advantage.

I'd get Danger out of the forwardline and back into the midfield even if he only plays 60% gametime. Make him a centre bounce specialist if he can't do the end to end running. We don't have enough bulk in there. SDK needs to get some aggro, until he does they're going to go straight through him. Each coach will try to exploit him.

Feels like at times we're running a midfield that wouldn't have been out of place in the VFL late last season.

Manaugh as a high half forward fixed some of our around the ground stoppage and forward transition woes last year, hopefully he can repeat.

We are also facing a bit of class deficit. We don't really have anything in reserve.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Can't start games like that gave them to much of a head start.
Their mids and ruck were too good.

 

[rocker_oz33]

If Kolo comes in for Stewart are we to tall down back?

COS played well.
As did Ted.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Only saw the first half, missed the fightback.

Our forward-line is way too top heavy with Danger, O.Henry, Cameron and Neale. St Kilda weren't playing that many talls to be begin with. It is why St Kilda were just getting more players to contest then us. None of those four are going to chase enough for it to work, they move Cameron onto the wing a move then really never works. Cameron needs to be playing against a KPD, he needs an agilty advantage.

I'd get Danger out of the forwardline and back into the midfield even if he only plays 60% gametime. Make him a centre bounce specialist if he can't do the end to end running. We don't have enough bulk in there. SDK needs to get some aggro, until he does they're going to go straight through him. Each coach will try to exploit him.

Feels like at times we're running a midfield that wouldn't have been out of place in the VFL late last season.

Manaugh as a high half forward fixed some of our around the ground stoppage and forward transition woes last year, hopefully he can repeat.

We are also facing a bit of class deficit. We don't really have anything in reserve.

Jez moved up to the wing at times in the 3rd.
Danger wasted up forward only had five touches to HT.
Yeah there's not much in the cardboard.

Manaugh will come in once he's fit.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I've already processed 3-3 or 2-4 after 6, more than happy to proven wrong though.

It's not even a huge slight on us, just that Brisbane and Adelaide on the road looks an unlikely task at the best of times, let alone with a few missing.

Should win the Dees game, and the Hawks is always a 50/50 regardless of where either club is at.

The good news is if we can get through the next 6 weeks or so (which are season defining) after the collingwood game our draw is very friendly for the rest of the year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If Kolo comes in for Stewart are we to tall down back?

COS played well.
As did Ted.

Kolo sounds like he's not ready.

 

[TheYid]

Meh. Outcoached. Not blaming anyone. Pleased with some new guys.
Need kolo back.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Kolo sounds like he's not ready.

Ok.
I seen him the other day walking .

They said on Krock last week he was close.
But very low tog in the PS games he must be under done.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Only saw the first half, missed the fightback.

Our forward-line is way too top heavy with Danger, O.Henry, Cameron and Neale. St Kilda weren't playing that many talls to be begin with. It is why St Kilda were just getting more players to contest then us. None of those four are going to chase enough for it to work, they move Cameron onto the wing a move then really never works. Cameron needs to be playing against a KPD, he needs an agilty advantage.

I'd get Danger out of the forwardline and back into the midfield even if he only plays 60% gametime. Make him a centre bounce specialist if he can't do the end to end running. We don't have enough bulk in there. SDK needs to get some aggro, until he does they're going to go straight through him. Each coach will try to exploit him.

Feels like at times we're running a midfield that wouldn't have been out of place in the VFL late last season.

Manaugh as a high half forward fixed some of our around the ground stoppage and forward transition woes last year, hopefully he can repeat.

We are also facing a bit of class deficit. We don't really have anything in reserve.

It's not about pure talls as those guys can run (even Cameron and Dempsey can cover huge kms when they want to) its about intent to chase and tackle. This is largely mind over height. When no tank Clark can tackle like his life depends on it and stringbean knevitt will chase and harass everywhere even our talls and older players can they just pick and choose when to be hungry enough to do it.

As for mannagh I agree his ability to quickly push up from hf to stoppage and block the exit with tackle but then be quick enough to get a release kick or handball and bolt forward basically gave us 2 players in one and protected our weakness at stoppage exits. Miers does a bit of this but we need mannagh back badly.

As for Danger when you have Clark and other guys on low TOG I don't think it's feasible re rotations to only have him play 60 %. Which is likely why they are resting him fwd.

Sdk needs a mindset coach so he can attack it like his brother his skills are actually really good. There's no solution to the ruck issue til the trade period.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What is he doing here then?

He's an on field coach in the vfl for a side that would otherwise be terribly young. And the same for Duncan and bews.
They asked him not to retire in case sdk gets an lti but realistically he's Cooked.

 

[Spearman]

To me it seemed that we were ready, willing and dashing forward only for the first or second guy to fumble it or miss the ball. Then everybody is slamming on the brakes because they have already gone past the ball and St.Kilda get it will nothing between them and the 50.
I also thought that even when they slow kicked it forward, they seemed to outnumber us inside the 50. Anybody at the game see if we were screaming back into defense when we could impact the action there?
and of course they shoot the lights out at goal in first Q
Very disappointing game.

 

[Mr Meow]

Before the game in his pre-match interview, Lyon more or less outright stated that he didn't rate our midfield outside of Smith and Holmes. His quote was something like, "[Before he was a late withdrawal] we were going to tag Smith, now we just have to make sure Holmes doesn't get off the chain." And he was right.

It's a frustrating one because Scott didn't handle Smith's absence correctly.

We had to start one or both of Stewart and Dangerfield alongside Holmes in midfield. Instead we let Holmes get tagged without support, then tried to break that tag by sending him forward (bad move) while Danger also misfired up there and Stewart was nullified in defence (then injured). That was a perfect storm for our undersized and impotent midfield to get dominated for about an hour.

When we had Blicavs, Holmes and Danger all around stoppages the second half we had our moments. Enough to get everyone involved at least. But it was too little, too late.

Not one of Scott's finest game day performances.

We are also the most susceptible team in the comp to let a gun opposition ruck be BOG.

 

[Larry Donohue]

Sleep that one off
Get Smith, Martin, Mannagh, Kolo into the line-up, the composure will improve dramatically
Conway would be a bonus too
Kolo Dekonning Zuth
Hump Henry Stewart
Blicavs Holmes Mannagh
Martin Cameron Miers
Stengle Neale Close
Conway Danger Smith
O. Henry, Atkins, O'Sullivan, Bowes
Knevitt sub
Em Clohesy Guthrie, Clark, OConnor, Duncan, Stanley Bews

Bring it on

 

[Shell]

Still have not seen a win in a very long time. Last hawks, pies and saints matches I've been to have all been losses.

That overrule in the last ****ing hurt, otherwise was a very exciting last quarter.

Meh. **** you Saints. And **** work this week.

 

[thejester]

We are also facing a bit of class deficit. We don't really have anything in reserve.

Jack Martin to save our season?

 

[foxdog50]

For perspective, Fort was drafted out a state league in 2018 and started really getting a shot after what, 6 years in the system?

Unless you have a time machine to go back to 2021 to draft Ned Moyle you might be waiting a while

What i was meaning to go with a previous post is.. getting a mature age ruckman from a State League to fill this gap of a ruckman we currently don't have

 

[Shell]

Lol everyone has a different pov don't they. Thread title should read "should have snatched it" not "been more" imo

I don't mind a bit of highway robbery if I'm honest

 

[foxdog50]

Yes, I will be a broken record about this..
Iv said it all along..
SDK isn't a ruckman, his a future All Australian Defender..

Yes... he will play a good game 1 in every 4 or 5 weeks in the ruck...
Yes.. he will collect 25 plus disposals playing in the ruck...
Yes.. he will can win his on marks in a contest..

Everyone said he will beat and out run Marshall as he didn't have a pre season etc.
But Marshall killed him in the ruck. And it goes to show, a half decent ruckman will rag doll SDK in the ruck,as his not stronger enough and doesn't have the body size to bullock blokes..
Yes we don't have Conway who is better to play ruck. But if we have managed Stanley in the pre season, he should of played tonight..

 

[BigCat1]

Couple of points.

• Jye Clark impressed me for the 1st time in the 1st half. Always knew he was hard but looked a touch quicker and his foot skills, composure and decision making looked special. Something to build on
• Shannon Neale was creating contests all the time in the air. Unfortunately he marks 20% of them. Key Fwds are hard to get and he at least looks the standard now
• O’Sullivan looked really good. Love his attack. Few mistakes but he is a player. Where they play him will be fascinating.
• Humphries again. Just such a good player. That slip in the centre and two kicking errors may get highlighted but he never loses one on one.
• Holmes worked through a heavy tag. He’s going to need to as more will be coming after that first half. (Geez he looks like Dangerfield at the ground) he’s really thickened up.

Negatives
* Close, Miers and Stengle got absolutely destroyed across half fwd. couldn’t get it and couldn’t stop their opponents getting it and crushing us. Uncharacteristically poor outing. Stengle getting close to 1m a season just has to get more involved in games. That kick in the last when we had 3 players out the back and he dropped it 40m on Marshall’s head (Close soccer) was just garbage.

• Danger looked 35 last night. He can’t run at all around the ground. Still absolutely invaluable at centre bounces and up fwd but you can’t play him on the ball. Go to the games and watch his spread. Fans need to just cool the “get him on the ball” calls.
• We need Blitz around the ball. His coverage is just so underrated. It’s not like he’s an Agrade defender so do what other teams don’t want us to do
• how many times do we need to see the Saints play the same game against us. Wilke goes to Cameron, Webster plays completely defensive role on Stengle. They live off half back rebound and don’t give a stuff what Miers and Close do. Owens tags Stewert. Windhager tags our best mid. They rely on Jack Higgins or some other sh*t small fwd getting in btw the zone defenders.
• Really poor game from Mullin, Knevitt (don’t care what the stats say) and Bowes.
• Ollie Henry - where do you start. Started on the wing and Zac Jones racked them up like he was prime GAJ. When he’s fwd he can’t bring the ball to ground when he’s playing as the 2nd tall. He’s a one effort and done player. His set shot goal kicking used to be elite is now utterly awful.
• SDK intensity around the ball is alarming. I want to see him do something when the game is going against us. We still need a ruck imo
• Axe got Sarong last week but was embarrassed tonight against McCrea.
• Jack Henry would have been here apart the fact he played one of the best last qrt and a half’s in a Geelong jumper. He’s just conceding the lead way too much but when he can just run and jump at the back. End of the day it’s probably unfair him being the #1 defender at his height.

It was a very bad loss. They played most of the night a man down and have a lot of kids in that team. We have a very tough first 9-10 games and need to claw one back like next week