changes for Collingwood

[Smithalicious]

After reading through - most people agree we need to make the changes now ... no need to wait. (In fact it does actually show we should have made them earlier - in hindsight)

I also agree with leaving those who are retiring - should be Rutten / Porps / Reilly - out of the team until the last home game against St Kilda where they can have a Goodbye game ... then we can rest important players if we are sneaking into 8th OR send players off for early surgery if we are not.

If we were in contention for a flag I'd say never give a game to retirees ... but we arent. Let's say seeya to 3 guys that have given us their entire careers.

Reilly has another year on his contract......

 

[JP Sauce]

Reilly has another year on his contract......

Not if we break it.

 

[maxlilly]

Out In
Laird - Mackay
Truck - Hartigan
Porps - Lyons
Thommo - Crouch Jr

Maybe Grigg for Douglas also

 

[footy4ever]

I jhavent heard any o[press onference or anything but PKEASe do not ntell be ssando said anything about "MATHEMATICAL IPPPIRTUNITIAL CHANCE" ;;;; PLEASE don't leat him hasve fsaid suc j a thinkg.....


OUT!!!!!

GOODBYE POPRS - I have loved you for a long time and you have been a wondergul sefrvent of the club but uyou have plyed your part and i mena no idisprespet when i say that i hipe i do not see you in AFL Crows colirus agians

RUten - You are a chapming but you we ca rved up tonight and we need to blooed pur next lot of degencfers.... you have taight Talia well land we ll be forever grateful of the servie you have displated and the leadership you have shpwd but your time is up......

OTTTEN - PYLL YOU FINGER OUT YOU SUCKED TONIhth --


THOMMMO!!!! WHAT THE **** WERE YOU CALLING YOURSELF FIT IF YOU COULDN"T PLAY 4 ******* @QUarters!!!!!!!!! yuou played well but **** me dead you wemnt off injkustre@!!! not good enough! Bring in Crouch JNr

BRING IN LYONS TOO


DOuglas you were shithouse and you fumnled everytime you were near it....

WTF? Now my eyes hurt!.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Today will hopefully be Luke Thompson vs Brett Eddy.

A good showing and he should come in.

 

[huludicidal]

Out:
Laird (Looks extremely sloppy, with seemingly no defined role at present)
Rutten (It's over Truck, sorry to say. Ceglar made you look second rate. CEGLAR)
Porplyzia (The most obvious 'out' of the season)

In:
Mackay (Love him or hate him, his importance to our team is undeniable)
L Thompson (Younger, taller, more agile and faster than Rutten - needs to come in and play on White or Goldsack)
M Crouch (The time for the brothers to play together has arrived)

Sub: Douglas (Extremely lucky to hold his place. Took this piss at times last night with his poor decision making and LACK OF EFFORT)

* Grigg to come in for S Thompson if Thommo doesn't come up
** C Cameron and Kerridge to get one (Kerridge) or two (Cameron) games in the twos before being considered
*** The calls to drop Otten are ludicrous. He annihilated Gunston in the second half after being well beaten in the first quarter. Gunston is a lock for the AA team. Shit happens. Otten is currently the third best shut down defender in our squad (after Talia and Brown) so he PLAYS.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

In: Mackay, Reilly
Out: Laird, Martin

no chance of this happening ....none, zero

You'd have Martin out b4 Porplyzia ???

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Today will hopefully be Luke Thompson vs Brett Eddy.

A good showing and he should come in.

GEE PLEASE NO!!! .....just say NO

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

no chance of this happening ....none, zero

You'd have Martin out b4 Porplyzia ???

No I wouldn't but we seem to be going down our well-worn selection path of relying on our oldest players when the season is on the line

 

[Wood_Duck]

No I wouldn't but we seem to be going down our well-worn selection path of relying on our oldest players when the season is on the line

For the first time I agree. Rutten's selection last night really stands out as a blunder. I think the selectors have been in denial there.

I thought Porps as sub was a good selection. It failed miserably. In a way though it failed because of Trucks selection. Our backline was in trouble and Porps was not the player we needed to go to a back pocket.

 

[footy4ever]

no chance of this happening ....none, zero

You'd have Martin out b4 Porplyzia ???

I wouldn't have Martin in, in the first place.
Porps - thanks for the memories.

Out
Martin, Porps, Truck (although there's a match up for truck)

In
MooKay, Charlie C, Luke T/K Hartigan

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No I wouldn't but we seem to be going down our well-worn selection path of relying on our oldest players when the season is on the line

If you don't believe it will happen then why post those changes

IMO Porplyzia will be an out .....S,Thompson might recover in 2 weeks and Otten will not be outed on the back of one bad game

The question will be on Rutten ? ........Roughead was quiet, was that because of Rutten or just a bad day??

If Chalie plays SANFL next week, he's a chance to come in against Collingwood

I also think Crouch has to come in

So for me (hoping):

Out: Porplyzia, S.Thompson, Wright

In: Cameron, Crouch, Mckay

 

[Dandy_GO]

GEE PLEASE NO!!! .....just say NO

What the hell do we have to lose at this point? We're getting closer and closer towards 'mathematically possible' territory, which means we're also getting closer to 'mathematically impossible' territory. Rutten has pulled the pin, we know exactly what Otten brings to the table. Siggins isn't even close to ready. Reilly should never player again (will, but shouldn't). We want to get Smith into the midfield. There's every reason to give Luke Thompson the rest of the season to see what he's got, whether it be as a third tall, key defender, or a medium, rebounding defender. Worst case scenario is he's shithouse and we can give him the flick at the end of the season. If he performs, we improve our depth, or improve his trade value. Hell, it could even open up the possibility of trading a guy like Otten, who could be worth a lot more to other clubs than he is to us.

I have never been LT's biggest fan, as he's always seemed too weak for a key post, and, in his early games he had a tendency to make bad errors early in games and never recover from it - he'd lose confidence way too easily. But he's been in our system for a long time now. Needs to play out the year, as does Rutten's heir apparent, Hartigan.

 

[BrissyCrow]

My first out would be Porplyzia. Everyone has stated the obvious. I would bring in M Crouch to replace him. I would stay with M Crouch till the end of the year.

In my opinion Tex should also be dropped but using the same logic that I am using for M Crouch I think we have to let Tex work himself back into form and help him get his confidence back. Last night I saw him kick to beautiful goals and it reminded me of just what this man can do for us when fully up to playing AFL.

Ottens played a poor game last night but he played well last week. I would keep him in the side. I would also try and play Ottens up forward during the course of the game and move Pods to the back line as a swap. They can rotate between themselves.

If Thommo is injured then I would bring McKay back.

I would keep Rutten and have him work in tandem with Talia especially with Cloke who can be a major threat.

Douglas has gone off the boil recently but I would stay with him. On his day (or night) he can be our best midfielder. Anyway he is due for a good game.

My problem is getting L Thompson and Grigg into the side. I would like Luke in for his aggressive attitude especially against the Magpies and if we are to address our poor delivery of the ball then Grigg has to come back. Perhaps Laird has to be rested (hate using the word dropped its so negative)

Out Porps, Thommo (if injured) and Laird
In M Crouch, McKay and either L Thompson or Grigg

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I wouldn't have Martin in, in the first place.
Porps - thanks for the memories.

Out
Martin, Porps, Truck (although there's a match up for truck)

In
MooKay, Charlie C, Luke T/K Hartigan

Haven't watched Martin with an open mind have we?

Rutten does have matchups against Collingwood .....IMO he'll play

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What the hell do we have to lose at this point? We're getting closer and closer towards 'mathematically possible' territory, which means we're also getting closer to 'mathematically impossible' territory. Rutten has pulled the pin, we know exactly what Otten brings to the table. Siggins isn't even close to ready. Reilly should never player again (will, but shouldn't). We want to get Smith into the midfield. There's every reason to give Luke Thompson the rest of the season to see what he's got, whether it be as a third tall, key defender, or a medium, rebounding defender. Worst case scenario is he's shithouse and we can give him the flick at the end of the season. If he performs, we improve our depth, or improve his trade value. Hell, it could even open up the possibility of trading a guy like Otten, who could be worth a lot more to other clubs than he is to us.

I have never been LT's biggest fan, as he's always seemed too weak for a key post, and, in his early games he had a tendency to make bad errors early in games and never recover from it - he'd lose confidence way too early. But he's been in our system for a long time now. Needs to play out the year, as does Rutten's heir apparent, Hartigan.

Tink you've answered your own question ......calls to play L.Thompson is based on hope

Fact is we know what he brings to the table, same as Otten ......a player who's quick, can play a role, but has no body strength, no contested marking ability and plays most of the game on the ground (falling over at will)

He plays what people say was a good game ....next week he's out ....the selectors also know what he brings to the table & i concur

 

[footy4ever]

Haven't watched Martin with an open mind have we?

Rutten does have matchups against Collingwood .....IMO he'll play

Actually on the contrary I've seen heaps of Martin both SANFL and AFL. I always wanted him to make it after seeing him do his ACL and yet still chase Harvey down a wing - gutsy stuff, but he has failed so many times at crunchtime, to slot regulation set shots for goals, relatively easy snaps for goal, to give off the immediate handball…I'm over him.

 

[Iron]

I think we should ban Sando from using the word "finals". If we make it, we make it.

RE the changes, Lyons will not make it at this club. Grigg was promising, but he's not performing well enough at AFL level and shouldn't be gifted games. Players like Atkins are a roll of the dice, as was Cameron, and if you'd told me last year Sando would select a player like that I'd have laughed. Not this year.

What confuses me is the people saying Lyons, Grigg, etc should automatically be included. What does this do for the other reserves players' self confidence? Call me old fashioned, but I believe a player needs to earn his spot in the side, and I'm happy that Sando is taking the same approach. If a player like Porps performs out of his skin in the SANFL, and a player of a similar position plays badly in the AFL, Porps has earnt his spot. This teaches each player in the reserves that their time will not automatically come just because they're young and talented. An important lesson, and a good selection policy, in my opinion.

Of course, if two players of a similar position play blinders in the SANFL, and one is 30, the other 20, I'd hope that Sando will pick the 20 year old. That's where development becomes a relevant factor.

 

[Dandy_GO]

Tink you've answered your own question ......calls to play L.Thompson is based on hope

Of course it's based on hope! That is no different to any inexperienced player we bring in.

Fact is we know what he brings to the table, same as Otten ......a player who's quick, can play a role, but has no body strength, no contested marking ability and plays most of the game on the ground (falling over at will)

He plays what people say was a good game ....next week he's out ....the selectors also know what he brings to the table & i concur

We most certainly do not. They're hardly comparable at all! One has barely played a game at the top level in 2 years and has less than 20 games to his name total, while the other has 5 times that number.

Brodie Martin, who you appear to be a fan of (I am too, and never gave up hope that he'd make it), has benefitted from an extended trot, after so many had written him off. He'd played very few games, post-knee injury and would get dropped after one or two games more often than not. He's a far more comparable player than Otten in terms of his development. We have every reason to bring LT in. You seem to be the type of poster who likes to make early calls on players just so you can later bignote your amazing talent spotting ability on the off-chance you happen to be right. I'm not suggesting LT definitely has what it takes - I'm rather skeptical myself, actually. But it's very clearly a risk worth taking at the moment, given that he'd only be keeping Reilly, or Truck, or at worst Otten out of the side.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Tink you've answered your own question ......calls to play L.Thompson is based on hope

Fact is we know what he brings to the table, same as Otten ......a player who's quick, can play a role, but has no body strength, no contested marking ability and plays most of the game on the ground (falling over at will)

He plays what people say was a good game ....next week he's out ....the selectors also know what he brings to the table & i concur

Otten is slow and cannot play on smalls, provides no rebound anymore, can't tackle.

Thompson is ahead on that score.

Edit: Oh, and he can handball more than 5m.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

What confuses me is the people saying Lyons, Grigg, etc should automatically be included. What does this do for the other reserves players' self confidence? Call me old fashioned, but I believe a player needs to earn his spot in the side, and I'm happy that Sando is taking the same approach. If a player like Porps performs out of his skin in the SANFL, and a player of a similar position plays badly in the AFL, Porps has earnt his spot. This teaches each player in the reserves that their time will not automatically come just because they're young and talented. An important lesson, and a good selection policy, in my opinion.

Serious?? Lyons has been 10x the player Porplyzia has been in the SANFL!

You should be asking what it does for his confidence when he is superseded in the 22 v Port by Porps and relegated to sub, perform very well, then get the arse.

 

[Iron]

Serious?? Lyons has been 10x the player Porplyzia has been in the SANFL!

You should be asking what it does for his confidence when he is superseded in the 22 v Port by Porps and relegated to sub, perform very well, then get the arse.

I can't speak for our selectors, but it's clear they're not very fond of him. I agree he's been given the rough end of the stick, but there's a good chance he grabbed that end himself. His AFL output is minimal, and I think he's walking trade bait. Won't make it in the AFC.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

I can't speak for our selectors, but it's clear they're not very fond of him. I agree he's been given the rough end of the stick, but there's a good chance he grabbed that end himself. His AFL output is minimal, and I think he's walking trade bait. Won't make it in the AFC.

He's been badly handled but for all concerned i agree a trade is the best option. If the coach has no faith in you, rightly or wrongly, there's no future here.

Trade: Lyons, Otten, ?

Get some picks in the 30's-40's and let Ogilvie work some magic.

Also, get Higgins!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You seem to be the type of poster who likes to make early calls on players just so you can later bignote your amazing talent spotting ability on the off-chance you happen to be right. I'm not suggesting LT definitely has what it takes - I'm rather skeptical myself, actually. But it's very clearly a risk worth taking at the moment, given that he'd only be keeping Reilly, or Truck, or at worst Otten out of the side.

not really ...but i do like to make early calls where it is obvious it aint going to happen

Everyone talks about AFC mediocrity, deadwood players .......but so far the only consensus on player delistings appear:
Rutten
Porplyzia
Lewis Johnston
Graham

That's not enough delistings IMO in our first unrestricted draft for 3 years

I have more hope for Siggins, Atkins, Knight than i do for Thompson ............i have said and this is not big noting that IMO McKernan will be preferred to Thompson because of the flexibility he brings by delisting a few talls

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Otten is slow and cannot play on smalls, provides no rebound anymore, can't tackle.

Thompson is ahead on that score.

Edit: Oh, and he can handball more than 5m.

Think you have this game in your head & forgetting some great games Otten has played this year

Otten can go forward and offers more flexibility than Thompson who is simply a bandaid ......Sando has stated how important Otten is

He had an absolute STINKER last night .......but that does not define his career past or future