Changes v Adelaide

[Next Waiting]

I'd be ruling a line through Schache coming in anytime soon. He will not stand up to the physicality at senior level at this stage. Doesn't put in enough when he doesn't have the ball (which is most of the time). It's not a criticism of him, just an observation of where he's at physically. Nowhere near it.

Seems we need to find another ruck option to assist Boyd (thought Boyd was pretty good). I'd prefer Roughy if fit.

The Honey, Jongy, and/or Webby selection will depend on match ups (not sure there's a good match up for Honey in the Crows game but he did OK in his role yesterday for most of the game). Bevo pushing Bont back to centre bounces in the last quarter to shore things up suggests Jongy is not out of it. One of them will play.

 

[Lex22]

Didn’t Webb drop Hodge on his arse last night? That buys him a few more weeks.

 

[SCRAY72]

Adelaide play differently and are a different sized team.
Horses for courses.
Wouldn't be surprised if the VFL team held back in the second half at the Port bog heap.
After all , winning games in the VFL is not as important as preparing players to play in the AFL.

 

[Next Waiting]

Didn’t Webb drop Hodge on his arse last night? That buys him a few more weeks.

I think you can make the case that Webb has some desirable attributes, a beautiful left foot being the main one. But he only had 3 kicks and 9 disposals overall. Needs to find it a lot more and up his tackle rate at this level. Another factor that will probably influence things a lot though is what impact he's having around stoppages. He can't be a weak link there as if he's selected he needs to spend time there even if it's only to relieve others.

Hodge looked a shadow of his former self yesterday.

 

[The Original Swooper]

Honeychurch did a fair job in his primary role. But 2 turnovers and a dumb free kick in the 1st quarter set the tone for another game revealing his skills are not afl standard
Webb just doesn’t get involved enough. But to appease the “he needs a good run” optimists, leave him in. Then in a few weeks we will know he ain’t gonna make it and folk can stop defending him. ( I was a fan, but I’m conceding)
Young. Love the kid but needs a bit more work. Maybe his stellar debut games last season has given him a false sense of where he is at. A few undisciplined acts that the umps let slide also showing a bad trait developing.
Naughton and Dale obviously suspect due to injuries.

Dearth of talls in AFL exploited at times (exacerbated by Naughton early departure), which needs to be remedied before we tackle the Crows. Excess talls waltzing around in the 2’s.

None of Rough, Trengove or English hammered down the door in the VFL. Admittedly conditions and team balance was prohibitive. Trengove ahead by a thinnish margin plus, he can play KPD and/or ruck.

As legendary as Moz is, he’s missed a lot of footy. But if anybody has the ability to slot straight back in to AFL, it’s him. I’d consider. Adams not in same low risk early recall class.

Out. Honeychurch and Young
In. Trengove. Wood

Morris in if Naughton out.
Roughy in if Dale out.

 

[Testekill]

I think we should just rest Naughton, rolled ankles are still tender for a couple of days afterwards which will cut into his training. I'd rather play it safe by bringing in Trengove for him.

Young kinda has to stay in if Naughton goes out, Adelaide are just too tall otherwise.

I'm fine with Honeychurch tagging but I don't think that Adelaide has a player that is screaming TAG ME now that Sloane is injured.

 

[dogwatch]

We should take absolutely no chances with Naughton. Conservative approach to rehab so let's not rush him back if there is the slightest doubt.

 

[Testekill]

So just looking at their result yesterday; Adelaides top possession getters were Laird, Atkins, Crouch and Gibbs. It's pointless to tag Crouch since he's an inside bull who you just have to have someone going head to head with instead of tagging while Laird is a rebounder so the best way to negate them is to force them to defend as much as possible instead of tagging. That means playing a dedicated forward against him and using them as much as possible.
That leaves Atkins & Gibbs; Gibbs has proven to be very susceptible to the tag but hasn't been good enough this year to justify tagging him. Atkins is an outside mid who is their main link inside 50 but I don't think that Honeychurch has what it takes to go with Atkins.

 

[DognBones]

With so many suggesting Young's omission for next round, I was wondering whether he is being properly coached and advised particularly at VFL level. I think he has enormous talent but he doesn't appear to have improved in the key areas of: positioning to intercept and spoil his opponent; knowing when to mark or punch; developing the confidence to take the game on. I realise he is still wearing L plates and has a lot of development ahead of him, but I am concerned about his current education.

 

[Struggle]

Need to tag Laird this week. Daniel the best option like he did with Simpson?

 

[fronkalicious]

Honeychurch was terrible again last nite. Zorko creamed him.

He’s not AFL standard and shouldn’t be played.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Naughty should be ok to go, just a sprain they said, I’m hopeful Wood and maybe Moz might play.

 

[Next Waiting]

So just looking at their result yesterday; Adelaides top possession getters were Laird, Atkins, Crouch and Gibbs. It's pointless to tag Crouch since he's an inside bull who you just have to have someone going head to head with instead of tagging while Laird is a rebounder so the best way to negate them is to force them to defend as much as possible instead of tagging. That means playing a dedicated forward against him and using them as much as possible.
That leaves Atkins & Gibbs; Gibbs has proven to be very susceptible to the tag but hasn't been good enough this year to justify tagging him. Atkins is an outside mid who is their main link inside 50 but I don't think that Honeychurch has what it takes to go with Atkins.

Agree. Can't see a taggable player outside of Atkins. Have to have another ruck option that isn't Dunkley that also allows Bont more midfield time and Boyd more time forward. Bont on his own up forward for any length of time would be a sitting duck for Adelaide defenders looking to rough him up.
I'd imagine we'll go head to head against them in the middle. They'll be thinking about tagging Macrae but if Bonts in the guts as well they're in all sorts without Sloane and it's our best chance of winning possession and protecting the backline at the same time.
Wood back in for Naughton and Trengove/Roughy for Honeychurch. Young and Webb probably pose the biggest quandries at selection this week.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

If we’re gonna tag someone it has to be either Seedsman or Atkins, them two have shown they can’t handle it.

Crouch is gonna get 30 touches no matter what.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

I’d go Macrae head to head with Crouch and both let them get 40 touches. I back Jack to do more damage with his 40.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Honeychurch was terrible again last nite. Zorko creamed him.

He’s not AFL standard and shouldn’t be played.

He’s not even very good at tagging.

 

[doggy heaven]

Honeychurch was terrible again last nite. Zorko creamed him.

He’s not AFL standard and shouldn’t be played.

Well said, went to game and specifically watched him , Young and Webb. Honey consistantly 10 metrs away from Zorko and people saying he did a good job Zorko 24 possies 4 goals, If one of our players did that he would be close to BOG (hello Bont) Webb pathetic effort of tackling and Young dissapointing in doesnt like body contact. Young immature still ,there is time for him and he has bulked up

 

[ringa5]

In Schache (forward )Trengrove ( back)
Out Naughton inj ,Young (needs Naughtons attack on the footy)

 

[Dogsman16]

Webb continually doesn’t impact games. Even if he is in and out you still expect him to have one game where he gets 15 disposal which he hasn’t.

Honey and Webb shouldn’t be part of long term plans.

I prefer Jong to Honey even though neither is ideal.

 

[SCRAY72]

I'd be ruling a line through Schache coming in anytime soon. He will not stand up to the physicality at senior level at this stage. Doesn't put in enough when he doesn't have the ball (which is most of the time). It's not a criticism of him, just an observation of where he's at physically. Nowhere near it.

Seems we need to find another ruck option to assist Boyd (thought Boyd was pretty good). I'd prefer Roughy if fit.

The Honey, Jongy, and/or Webby selection will depend on match ups (not sure there's a good match up for Honey in the Crows game but he did OK in his role yesterday for most of the game). Bevo pushing Bont back to centre bounces in the last quarter to shore things up suggests Jongy is not out of it. One of them will play.

Schache played 27 senior games at Brisbane ,kicked 25 goals and took 107 marks.
Not saying he should play AFL but he played more senior footy in his first two years than Patton and Hawkins.

 

[Next Waiting]

Well said, went to game and specifically watched him , Young and Webb. Honey consistantly 10 metrs away from Zorko and people saying he did a good job Zorko 24 possies 4 goals, If one of our players did that he would be close to BOG (hello Bont) Webb pathetic effort of tackling and Young dissapointing in doesnt like body contact. Young immature still ,there is time for him and he has bulked up

It looked like Honey did enough of a job to curb Zorko for the first half and maybe into the second half a bit. Zorko got right away from him in the last quarter and was influential. It nearly cost us but didn't.

Point is, perhaps his job for the first half of the game was enough in this instance to have a bearing on the result. But, it won't be enough from here on in against bigger opponents and better opposition and the trade off costs will be too high. Most people can see that.

Still, he played a role, did a job, copped a lot of punishment and deserves some credit.

 

[Next Waiting]

Schache played 27 senior games at Brisbane ,kicked 25 goals and took 107 marks.
Not saying he should play AFL but he played more senior footy in his first two years than Patton and Hawkins.

Yes that's true. I can only go off what I saw against Port Melbourne and what the next few games at senior level look like. He doesn't look like a physical match for the defences he's likely to encounter and doesn't do enough off the ball or defensively. Not writing him off by any means but just doesn't look close to being competitive at that level at the moment. Bevo seems to know it too and a fair bit of it has to do with his stage of physical development.

 

[dogwatch]

It looked like Honey did enough of a job to curb Zorko for the first half and maybe into the second half a bit. Zorko got right away from him in the last quarter and was influential. It nearly cost us but didn't.

Point is, perhaps his job for the first half of the game was enough in this instance to have a bearing on the result. But, it won't be enough from here on in against bigger opponents and better opposition and the trade off costs will be too high. Most people can see that.

Still, he played a role, did a job, copped a lot of punishment and deserves some credit.

Agree. Bev said Zorko got him in the end but you could see Bev was trying to acknowledge he did a job for the side, especially in the first half as you said. You also have to remember that every Brisbane player around him was crashing into Honeychurch to try to put him off. That in itself starts to take their focus away from other things.

Zorko got 40 possessions last week and only 24 this week. Surely that's some sort of minor success.

All four of Zorko's goals could be questioned. One was a clear push in the back to Cordy who would have marked or touched it. Commentators couldn't believe they allowed the goal. Two others Cordy claimed to have touched ... who knows? The last should have been a free to Cordy for HTB after a great tackle up the ground and Zorko ended up getting a Joe the Goose on the quick rebound. I guess the point is once Zorko gets the chance he makes you pay with his possessions. Hence the value in keeping him to under 25 possessions.

Not saying Honey is a long term prospect but he does the team things and we only notice the shit kicks. If Zorko gets 40 possessions we lose that game.

 

[Next Waiting]

Agree. Bev said Zorko got him in the end but you could see Bev was trying to acknowledge he did a job for the side, especially in the first half as you said. You also have to remember that every Brisbane player around him was crashing into Honeychurch to try to put him off. That in itself starts to take their focus away from other things.

Zorko got 40 possessions last week and only 24 this week. Surely that's some sort of minor success.

All four of Zorko's goals could be questioned. One was a clear push in the back to Cordy who would have marked or touched it. Commentators couldn't believe they allowed the goal. Two others Cordy claimed to have touched ... who knows? The last should have been a free to Cordy for HTB after a great tackle up the ground and Zorko ended up getting a Joe the Goose on the quick rebound. I guess the point is once Zorko gets the chance he makes you pay with his possessions. Hence the value in keeping him to under 25 possessions.

Not saying Honey is a long term prospect but he does the team things and we only notice the shit kicks. If Zorko gets 40 possessions we lose that game.

We've got to 4 and 4 with guys like Honey and Jong making contributions. It's not all bad. They have their short comings but Bevo has been able to call on them to do a job at times (often sacrificial ones) in the absence of a significant number of automatic selections.
I don't see the point in accentuating the negative. Who's available is who's available and they're all chess pieces to a greater or lesser degree. Some are pawns, some are not.

 

[Proffessor]

Out: Young, Crozier, Naughton, possibly Webb.

In: Roberts, A ruckman (Roughead if fit, if not prefer Campbell to Trengove), Wood (if fit), and Morris (again if fit).

Think Honeychurch stays, only guy seemingly used in tagging roles and think we will need one next week. Would probably focus on Laird for the tag.