Preview Changes V Hawks

[King Elvis]

Lefty - Laird down back is my preference, but until last week, we couldn't fit him in the side, and VB back in soon. I'd rather him as a defensive forward than our other options.

 

[BigLefty]

We have some very exciting Kids to set up our defence for the next tilt at the title.

Brodie Smith (if we can resist moving hin into the midfield), Talia, Shaw, Brown, Laird, Otten. As I stated "before" the start of last season, the following players won't play in our next premiership (it wasn't last year and it won't be this year) - Doughty. Johncock, Callinan and Tippett. We wasted a few games on those players last year but we are finally playing the (aging) KIDS. Strap yourself in, sit back and enjoy the ride.

P.S. Jaensch is NaBA and I'm not sure what DMac is. He has played the last two games back on gthe wing and seemed totally lost.

you must admit that Jeansch has performed pretty well as a small defender then given he's "NaBA"?

i'm not saying he's been as good as Laird could have been, or Brown,(or where they should be after their apprenticeship) but he's held his own against some in form small forwards the last few weeks. But i'd rather see him forward.

 

[cmndstab]

I agree that an unfit Danger is better than a fit 'insert regular Joe', however are we robbing Peter to pay Paul? If we keep playing him, does it just maintain the status quo (injury wise)? Would we be better off resting him for 1-3 weeks (obviously a guess as it's all purely speculation as to what if any injury he has) to get him closer to 100%??

A 100% fit Danger is better than an unfit Danger which is better than a fit regular Joe.

If he's injured, I agree, give him a rest.

If he's just a bit underdone with fitness he may as well gain it while he's still playing in the side, as long as he remains one of our best 22 players (which he very clearly is).

 

[Hank93]

I'm merely pointing out the stupidity of people's opinion.

Douglas has been awesome this year, Dangerfield terrible is he injured...?

Therefore Douglas will come under increasing opposition attention. Right? Riiiggghhhttt???

Wrong. Dangerfield's 2/10 football is better than Dougie's 10/10.

Danger is just well down on last year, it's still a good level that he is playing at.

Though having him in my SuperCoach team make me question his form more than I should be.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Only GWS, GC & WB have more players in their side that have played fewer than 50 games

 

[Elite Crow]

Only GWS, GC & WB have more players in their side that have played fewer than 50 games

Yep, to Sando's credit, whilst he's been slow in getting there he's making necessary changes. If Laird comes back in we've got a good developing backline. He's introduced young mids Crouch, Kerridge and now thankfully Lyons. With Tex gone we are going to see Smack, Lynch and Johnston get game time. We need to weed out who can play rather than holding on to players for 5 years for 10 games. It's a real pity he doesn't have a young quick small forward he can develop.

It's also a shame Shaw is injured, with Otten finding his form again, we could afford to play Shaw as a leading HF. With his pace and decent mark he would cause a headache match up.

 

[BACCS]

Watching Kennedy play for Cllingwood is very upsetting.

Laird would be a better option than anyone as a defensive forward, if we're desperate for one.

Why is that? He didn't reach our pick that we would've had anyway did he?

 

[BACCS]

Yep, to Sando's credit, whilst he's been slow in getting there he's making necessary changes. If Laird comes back in we've got a good developing backline. He's introduced young mids Crouch, Kerridge and now thankfully Lyons. With Tex gone we are going to see Smack, Lynch and Johnston get game time. We need to weed out who can play rather than holding on to players for 5 years for 10 games. It's a real pity he doesn't have a young quick small forward he can develop.

It's also a shame Shaw is injured, with Otten finding his form again, we could afford to play Shaw as a leading HF. With his pace and decent mark he would cause a headache match up.

Slow? It's round 6 for goodness sakes...

 

[Elite Crow]

Slow? It's round 6 for goodness sakes...

Ok maybe slow is a tad harsh, but we've carried an out of form defensive forward for 5 weeks and I consider that slow. Lyons has killed it for 5 weeks, I consider that slow.

We are 2–3, it doesn't take long for the season to pass you by.

 

[Elite Crow]

Why is that? He didn't reach our pick that we would've had anyway did he?

I'm guessing he's referring to losing Tippett for nothing instead of what should have been a low pick.

 

[cmndstab]

Why is that? He didn't reach our pick that we would've had anyway did he?

Was pick 19. Certainly would have been at the very least around the mark if we didn't have an illegal contract sitting in our closet to wreck our trading position.

 

[AFC979810]

Will be interesting to see what happens when the taggers shift from Dangerfield to Douglas as they obviously will

You are like a dog at a bone mate.

 

[AFC979810]

I'm merely pointing out the stupidity of people's opinion.

Douglas has been awesome this year, Dangerfield terrible is he injured...?

Therefore Douglas will come under increasing opposition attention. Right? Riiiggghhhttt???

Wrong. Dangerfield's 2/10 football is better than Dougie's 10/10.

Nobody is saying Dougie is a better footballer than Danger. To be honest - I am not even sure why you keep referencing Dougie when the conversation is around Danger.

Douglas is playing very good football. He has nowhere near the ability of Dangerfield. When he plays the way he is playing right now - he would be best 22 in every side in the competition. I am not sure how you can be pissed off with a player who is playing to the best of their ability and performing?

Also - I am not suggesting dropping Danger (and I don't think anyone else is). He is easily in our best 10 players even though he is traveling far below his best this year. I am saying that I am concerned that his form is far far below what it was in 2012 and this has a direct correlation to type of football we have played this year.

Danger is down is averaging 6 less total possessions a game, 4 less contested possessions a game in addition to being down on clearances / inside 50's / rebound 50's. Also of concern is his kicking efficiency. He was winning more contested ball last year and had a DE of 63.1% this is has dropped to 55% this year. It isn't due to the fact he is winning more contested ball either.

To me this is one of the biggest issues. We need to find a way to get Danger & Sauce back up and firing if we are going to be competitive against the good sides in the competition.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Nobody is saying Dougie is a better footballer than Danger. To be honest - I am not even sure why you keep referencing Dougie when the conversation is around Danger.

Douglas is playing very good football. He has nowhere near the ability of Dangerfield. When he plays the way he is playing right now - he would be best 22 in every side in the competition. I am not sure how you can be pissed off with a player who is playing to the best of their ability and performing?

Also - I am not suggesting dropping Danger (and I don't think anyone else is). He is easily in our best 10 players even though he is traveling far below his best this year. I am saying that I am concerned that his form is far far below what it was in 2012 and this has a direct correlation to type of football we have played this year.

Danger is down is averaging 6 less total possessions a game, 4 less contested possessions a game in addition to being down on clearances / inside 50's / rebound 50's. Also of concern is his kicking efficiency. He was winning more contested ball last year and had a DE of 63.1% this is has dropped to 55% this year. It isn't due to the fact he is winning more contested ball either.

To me this is one of the biggest issues. We need to find a way to get Danger & Sauce back up and firing if we are going to be competitive against the good sides in the competition.

They need some pep in their steps.

 

[AFC979810]

Didnt play well against Essendon, thats 2 from 5 he has stunk. Played average footy in the other 3 games.


We've kicked 100 points once in 5 games. We have struggled to kick a decent score 4 out of 5 games. Some of us have said we cant afford to carry a forward with known limitations.


Pets was on Walker early, perhaps he was moved when he couldnt hold him. He was also on Goodes the week before.
So your perception of Petrenko was to make blocks for the leading forward, I have never seen him do that.
He hasnt locked it in our forward 50 when it went to ground, well except for the rare occassion.
And you know who else can sit at the big forwards feet, apply defensive pressure? Small crumbing forwards who kick goals.
**** it must be great to be Petrenko, a goal a game and an assist a game with some pressure is a pass.
Petrenko last year was hot and cold, great start, shit middle, good finish and shit finals series.

When you were defending Petrenkos role in the team this week, did you believe kicking goals this week was an issue? I'd imagine yes and you still thought he should be picked.

It must also be great being you, like Petrenko you cant lose, even when you are wrong you are right.

I have stated why I like Petrenko as a player and what I feel his role in the side is. I like his pressure once the ball hits the ground. I think he does a bunch of things (block / tackle / harass / scraggle) that go unnoticed by his detractors. I have also been quite clear on his limitations (he will never kick a bag), but that as a side when we had a functioning forward line we could carry him because the balance was right.

I wanted him in against Carlton. He played poorly, I admit that.

To your first bolded question I assume you are talking about me wanting him to play against Carlton? I wasn't concerned with our goal kicking ability heading into the Carlton game. I thought we could have kicked a big score (which we kicked 12 goals without our best forward for 3/4's).

To the second bolded part - it is great being me. I come on here to discuss footy, not to prove everyone wrong and get an ego boost. Maybe a few more threads about how you know so much more than the club were proven right by their horrible selections.....

I am not exactly sure why I am wrong on Petrenko. Has played 40 consecutive games before getting dropped. He had a role in the side and I thought he performed it well. Now the landscape has completely changed and we have a side which has 1 actual forward (Porps) in the side.

Our forward line was fantastic last year and had a great mix of talls & smalls.

Resting Mid - Tippett (39) - Petrenko (16)
Callinan (39) - Walker - (63) - Porps (30)

This is what our forward line looks like now:

Resting Mid - Jenkins - Resting Mid / maybe Lynch
Resting Mid - McKernan - Porplyzia

For team balance it makes sense to me why he was dropped for this game. I am a big fan of his, but I like the fact he is out this week. He is not capable of playing as a leading forward as is Porplyzia. I am not sure how much of a role Pets will play for the rest of the year. Our forward line has changed dramatically.

 

[AFC979810]

Maybe Carlton did us a favour, our coaches saw what damage a quality small forward can do whilst still defending. Garlett 4 goals 4 tackles, Yarran 3 goals 5 tackles.

I for one hope that our coaches took no notice of Carlton's dysfunctional forward line. It is the number 1 reason they have won 1 final since Fevola left despite having one of the premier midfields in the competition.

 

[AFC979810]

But this type of criticism is fair enough, because his disposal is dodgy at times. Its the fact that he's not "in form" because he's averaging 4 less disposals that shits me.

So you honestly don't think he is a shell of the 2012 Dangerfield?

 

[Elite Crow]

I for one hope that our coaches took no notice of Carlton's dysfunctional forward line. It is the number 1 reason they have won 1 final since Fevola left despite having one of the premier midfields in the competition.

Are you friggin for real? Their small forwards have carried them because of the lack of quality talls. Throw some decent talls and that will be one dangerous forward line and those small forwards will be even better.

But Carlton are an interesting comparison, they lack tall leading marking forwards and yet still play quality crumbers. The Crows lose Tex and you think that's a good reason to drop Petrenko.

 

[Elite Crow]

So you honestly don't think he is a shell of the 2012 Dangerfield?

He is not up to his 2012 standard which was freakishly high. But I'm cutting him some slack because our ruck sucks, he's carrying a knee and he's getting smashed. I only wished you scrutinised other players in our side as you do him.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Nobody is saying Dougie is a better footballer than Danger. To be honest - I am not even sure why you keep referencing Dougie when the conversation is around Danger.

Douglas is playing very good football. He has nowhere near the ability of Dangerfield. When he plays the way he is playing right now - he would be best 22 in every side in the competition. I am not sure how you can be pissed off with a player who is playing to the best of their ability and performing?

Also - I am not suggesting dropping Danger (and I don't think anyone else is). He is easily in our best 10 players even though he is traveling far below his best this year. I am saying that I am concerned that his form is far far below what it was in 2012 and this has a direct correlation to type of football we have played this year.

Danger is down is averaging 6 less total possessions a game, 4 less contested possessions a game in addition to being down on clearances / inside 50's / rebound 50's. Also of concern is his kicking efficiency. He was winning more contested ball last year and had a DE of 63.1% this is has dropped to 55% this year. It isn't due to the fact he is winning more contested ball either.

To me this is one of the biggest issues. We need to find a way to get Danger & Sauce back up and firing if we are going to be competitive against the good sides in the competition.

Sorry I'm not following. Are you agreeing that Douglas is an irrelevant footballer or not?

 

[Elite Crow]

I have stated why I like Petrenko as a player and what I feel his role in the side is. I like his pressure once the ball hits the ground. I think he does a bunch of things (block / tackle / harass / scraggle) that go unnoticed by his detractors. I have also been quite clear on his limitations (he will never kick a bag), but that as a side when we had a functioning forward line we could carry him because the balance was right.

I wanted him in against Carlton. He played poorly, I admit that.

To your first bolded question I assume you are talking about me wanting him to play against Carlton? I wasn't concerned with our goal kicking ability heading into the Carlton game. I thought we could have kicked a big score (which we kicked 12 goals without our best forward for 3/4's).

To the second bolded part - it is great being me. I come on here to discuss footy, not to prove everyone wrong and get an ego boost. Maybe a few more threads about how you know so much more than the club were proven right by their horrible selections.....

I am not exactly sure why I am wrong on Petrenko. Has played 40 consecutive games before getting dropped. He had a role in the side and I thought he performed it well. Now the landscape has completely changed and we have a side which has 1 actual forward (Porps) in the side.

Our forward line was fantastic last year and had a great mix of talls & smalls.

Resting Mid - Tippett (39) - Petrenko (16)
Callinan (39) - Walker - (63) - Porps (30)

This is what our forward line looks like now:

Resting Mid - Jenkins - Resting Mid / maybe Lynch
Resting Mid - McKernan - Porplyzia

For team balance it makes sense to me why he was dropped for this game. I am a big fan of his, but I like the fact he is out this week. He is not capable of playing as a leading forward as is Porplyzia. I am not sure how much of a role Pets will play for the rest of the year. Our forward line has changed dramatically.

On your first point, I'm glad you think we can carry a forward. Why should we have a forward line where we carry a forward? Shouldn't we aim to find forwards who can do those defensive acts that we don't have to carry? In a final we lost by 3 points, should we have carried an injured Petrenko who stunk up his previous two finals?

Petrenko played against Carlton like he did against Essendon and in those finals. He marginally lifted his game against the other teams this season.

Prior to Tex going down, we still only had one forward and he wasn't kicking bags. We couldn't afford to carry Petrenko at all this season. As for the 12 we kicked, 3 of them came from a small that some wanted to take Petrenkos spot up forward. That's more evidence why we shouldn't have carried Petrenko.

As for your posting, didn't you say you call out the bullshit of other posters? I've been arguing against yours for a number of weeks now, practically each of those selection and positional errors you've supported. Why? Because the coaches made those choices, my thread highlights the basic errors the coaches have made, they don't always get it right and it's good to have your own opinion sometimes.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Sorry I'm not following. Are you agreeing that Douglas is an irrelevant footballer or not?

Wow Carl, after his form this year, you're still finding a way to bag Douglas?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Wow Carl, after his form this year, you're still finding a way to bag Douglas?

If his form is up, were you bagging him last year for his lack of form? I was - solo.

And why are people shying away from this? If his form is so good then he will start getting tagged. That's what happens.

Good, match-influencing form = opposition attention.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Wow Carl, after his form this year, you're still finding a way to bag Douglas?

Hes been just about our best and most consistent mid fielder this year. He's a former B&F. The problem is, do you think an opposition coach has ever raised his name as a player that needs to be tagged?

Hope this helps.

Edit, should have read Carls reply first.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Agreeing with the sentiment merging here. Danger has to be told he is playing 100% of the time in the midfield.... I really dont like the idea of 'resting forward'.... it doesnt do anything.

We need him 100% hard at the contest, then off for a breather...

Sando needs to pick 6 ACTUAL forwards who know their role, know how to lead/crumb and kick goals.

How Stiffy isnt playing a forward pocket role is bewildering.

Anyway, our focus has ot get away form our Forward line and start looking at the Midfield.

Smashed in clearances, centre breaks, hitouts, drinking water form the trainer, eating the 3 quarter time oranges... You name it. Lets fix that and if we lose a game having won the midfield etc, then we look at forwards.