Changes v Richmond

[King Elvis]

No way can Knights come back in. He's shown little in the SANFL. Bocky looked good at the Eagles but his game for the Crows shows that form meant little and he needed more time. Davis definitely should be in and maybe Martin. But there shouldn't be too many changes. When we played Geelong we were far better

We're no longer in finals contention, so we can get a bit creative, and a bit forward thinking.

Bock and Porps are out of form, and probably fitness, we aren't working towards the finals anymore, so neither of them need to play again this year.

Jaensch has been good, and definitely secured a spot on the senior list next year, but he looks a bit flat - and knowing that he's up for it next year is enough at present.

Armstrong isn't ready.

Stevens, we know what we get for him, forgetting the debate about whether it's enough or not, we need to get SMcK some gametime in preparation for next year. What we'll learn about SMcK, and what he'll learn about the game, far outweights any benefit Stevens would get.

 

[DJ75]

What should happen:
Out: Stevens, Armstrong, Porplyzia
IN: Davis, Gunston (or McLeod if fit), Goodwin

What will happen:

Craig: "Gee those young blokes let us down (ignoring Stevens, Doughty, Douglas etc... disappearing act), better get some more experience in the team."

Out: Armstrong, Jaensch,
IN: Knights, Goodwin, McLeod

 

[Vader]

Knights to return. We're idiots if it doesn't happen.

On the contrary, we're idiots if it DOES happen. Have we not learned from the mistakes we made at the selection table against Port? Playing underdone/unfit/sick players leads to disaster - Bock, Porplyzia, Tippett (flu).. all of a sudden we were playing 19 men. It was a disaster at the start of the season and it was a disaster last night. Players should not get selected no matter who they are, or how good they are at their best, unless they are 100% fit and fully match hardened.

For this very same reason, Bock & Porplyzia need to be dropped immediately and told that their pre-season starts NOW. Forget about 2010, just go and get their bodies into good condition so that they are ready to go from R1 next year.

My changes:
OUT: Armstrong, Bock, Porplyzia
IN: Goodwin, Davis, Young

With McLeod likely to be still missing, the vacancy created is in defence rather than the midfield. Young is arguably our best performed defender still waiting in the SANFL. Why not give him another chance?

** I'd like to drop Stevens based on his performance last night as well, but he earns a reprieve based on his previous 3 good games and the fact that neither Sellar nor McKernan are demanding to be selected. I'm also against making more than 3 changes for team stability reasons.

 

[cammo6556]

On the contrary, we're idiots if it DOES happen. Have we not learned from the mistakes we made at the selection table against Port? Playing underdone/unfit/sick players leads to disaster - Bock, Porplyzia, Tippett (flu).. all of a sudden we were playing 19 men. It was a disaster at the start of the season and it was a disaster last night. Players should not get selected no matter who they are, or how good they are at their best, unless they are 100% fit and fully match hardened.

For this very same reason, Bock & Porplyzia need to be dropped immediately and told that their pre-season starts NOW. Forget about 2010, just go and get their bodies into good condition so that they are ready to go from R1 next year.

My changes:
OUT: Armstrong, Bock, Porplyzia
IN: Goodwin, Davis, Young

With McLeod likely to be still missing, the vacancy created is in defence rather than the midfield. Young is arguably our best performed defender still waiting in the SANFL. Why not give him another chance?

** I'd like to drop Stevens based on his performance last night as well, but he earns a reprieve based on his previous 3 good games and the fact that neither Sellar nor McKernan are demanding to be selected. I'm also against making more than 3 changes for team stability reasons.

it didnt hurt port on the weekend

 

[Vader]

Out - Bock, Stevens, Jaensch, Porps, Armstrong.

In - Davis, SMcK/Sellar, Knights, Martin, Goodwin.

• No way we make 5 changes.
• Smack & Sellar haven't done enough to justify selection, Stevens is still ahead of them (though another performance like last night's and it's good-bye).
• Knights needs at least 2-3 more SANFL games before I'd pass him as match fit for an AFL game. Would not be unhappy if he doesn't get selected again this year, under instructions to focus on being ready for R1 2011.
• Martin won't be selected after having a year off and playing just 2 games in the magoos and 1 for Sturt's seniors. I sincerely doubt we'll see him in Crows colours this year.

 

[Vader]

it didnt hurt port on the weekend

Port were playing so badly prior to last night that there was no way they could have gone backwards, no matter how many changes they made.

 

[Wood_Duck]

My changes:
OUT: Armstrong, Bock, Porplyzia
IN: Goodwin, Davis, Young

I knew if I hung around long enough youd say something that I agreed with.

 

[chigwidden]

Maric out for a rest, or dropped for the rest of the season?

I think he's been looking tired and a bit frustrated the last four weeks or so. There's no doubt that he adds something to the forward line, and takes some really good grabs, but part of what he brings is aggro, and I feel like he's lost a bit of it.

I think a rest would benefit him, give him back a bit of hunger and aggro. Two weeks, maybe?

I'm not sold on it, but I'd consider it this week if I were on selection committee.

 

[jackster83]

OUT: Armstrong
IN: Goodwin

Don't see much future in someone who has such a feeble attack on the ball. Petrenko should take his spot next year (please God make it happen).

OUT: Stevens
IN: Davis

Not much needs to be said here.

OUT: Symes
IN: Martin

Schmidt a chance as well but Martin adds class.

Porps and Jaensch to be retained with one of them to be dropped for Knights the following week. Both rucks also on thin ice.

 

[cammo6556]

Port were playing so badly prior to last night that there was no way they could have gone backwards, no matter how many changes they made.

haha point taken

 

[cammo6556]

OUT: Armstrong
IN: Goodwin

Don't see much future in someone who has such a feeble attack on the ball. Petrenko should take his spot next year (please God make it happen).

OUT: Stevens
IN: Davis

Not much needs to be said here.

OUT: Symes
IN: Martin

Schmidt a chance as well but Martin adds class.

Porps and Jaensch to be retained with one of them to be dropped for Knights the following week. Both rucks also on thin ice.

agreed. pets is hard at it, quick and looks uber-damaging outta the back line... armstrong needs to bulk up and toughen up if he is to make it long term... at the moment, he is much like my four year old son with better disposal

 

[King Elvis]

• No way we make 5 changes.

Season is over, it's about next year now.

• Smack & Sellar haven't done enough to justify selection, Stevens is still ahead of them (though another performance like last night's and it's good-bye).

It's not about that at present, see my last post, we know what we get from Stevens, we need to invest time into SMcK or Sellar.

• Knights needs at least 2-3 more SANFL games before I'd pass him as match fit for an AFL game. Would not be unhappy if he doesn't get selected again this year, under instructions to focus on being ready for R1 2011.

Could live with this, part of the reason I want him to play is as I see him as a potential Captain, and want him to try and stamp his authority on it.

• Martin won't be selected after having a year off and playing just 2 games in the magoos and 1 for Sturt's seniors. I sincerely doubt we'll see him in Crows colours this year.

Fair call - bring Macca back instead.

See above mate.

EDIT - And I forgot about Young, if he's playing well, should be in the frame as well.

 

[thebirdman 24]

Out: Stevens
In: Davis
Stevens needs to go and never come back, his last few games have been grosely overated. I can't believe i read somewhere that someone thought he was BOG against Geelong. He played a 4/10 game at best and had the easiest role.

Out: Symes
In: Knights
Cant kick, cant find space, slow is not a smart footballer, loses one on one contests with ease.

Out: Armstrong
In: Goodwin/Mcleod
Yes he has good disposal, but gets caught easily, has no body strength and is not overly quick and cant make up for this.

Brining in Schmidt would be pointless, he brings nothing to the team except Stevens like turnovers and is as average as they come. VB should be a tagger, can't do overly much with the ball, maybe he could play a shutdown role of a small forward.

We have to start weeding out average players like Symes and Stevens if we want to go anywhere.

 

[King Elvis]

Two weeks, maybe?

Tops.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

The loss to Port was UNACCEPTABLE.

Selection should reflect this. No more 'the players have earnt a second chance'. No...because in the future this cull would say you better bloody play with 100% intensity or you will be dropped. No complacency.

With queries over form and fitness on the weekend, we simply have too many slow, non-contributing plodders who are turnover kings. We need to start redressing the balance.

IN: Davis, Sellar, Goodwin, McKernan, Martin
OUT: Stevens, Maric, Symes, Bock, Armstrong (all slow and poorly skilled bar Armstrong who probably isn't but hasn't showed he can mix it with the big boys).

If Jaensch is deemed unfit or burnt out, he can swap for Wright.

Porplyzia and Griffin on very thin ice.

Knights and McLeod waiting for fitness.


B: Davis, Rutten, Johncock
HB: Goodwin, Sellar, Martin
C: Mackay, Dangerfield, Vince
HF: Sloane, Henderson, Porplyzia
F: Walker, Tippett, Jaensch
1R: Griffin, Reilly, Thompson
I: McKernan, van Berlo, Douglas, Doughty

E: Young, Symes, Gunston

 

[chigwidden]

Tops.

<spits on palm>
<shakes hand>

Done.

 

[amer]

On the contrary, we're idiots if it DOES happen. Have we not learned from the mistakes we made at the selection table against Port? Playing underdone/unfit/sick players leads to disaster - Bock, Porplyzia, Tippett (flu).. all of a sudden we were playing 19 men. It was a disaster at the start of the season and it was a disaster last night. Players should not get selected no matter who they are, or how good they are at their best, unless they are 100% fit and fully match hardened.

For this very same reason, Bock & Porplyzia need to be dropped immediately and told that their pre-season starts NOW. Forget about 2010, just go and get their bodies into good condition so that they are ready to go from R1 next year.

My changes:
OUT: Armstrong, Bock, Porplyzia
IN: Goodwin, Davis, Young

With McLeod likely to be still missing, the vacancy created is in defence rather than the midfield. Young is arguably our best performed defender still waiting in the SANFL. Why not give him another chance?

** I'd like to drop Stevens based on his performance last night as well, but he earns a reprieve based on his previous 3 good games and the fact that neither Sellar nor McKernan are demanding to be selected. I'm also against making more than 3 changes for team stability reasons.

On the contrary, Knights > football.

Can't believe the number of people calling for Bock's head, most laughable thing I've read all year. You make allowances for CLASS FOOTBALLERS to find their feet. He is a gun, and was starting to hit that AA form earlier in the season before his injury. Unlike Stevens, he has earnt the right to more than one week in which to find his feet (Scotty Spudvens got about 10 as it is). Stevens should get the arse because he's a pile of nothing who stalls our club.

Porplyzia is an isolated case. He has been dogged all year. Don't kid yourself over Tippett, wouldn't have played if he was legitimately struck down with the flu. He simply couldn't get into the game.

McKernan's talent dictates that we invest in him. Tippett's SANFL form never demanded attention, it happens. He's all class, he's got mongrel and he can take a ****ing mark. Most importantly it allows us to abandon the pointless exercise that is our "investment" in Griffin. He won't ever make it.

In: Goodwin, Davis, McKernan, Knights

Out: Armstrong, Stevens, Griffin, Porplyzia

Knights is a gun.

That is all.

 

[Cap]

you make allowance for class footballers?

what class did he show on the weekend? next to nil!

don't get me wrong, he doesn't need to return to whipping boy status but he was dropped for an in form Davis - someone needs to suffer the consequences!

 

[amer]

you make allowance for class footballers?

what class did he show on the weekend? next to nil!

don't get me wrong, he doesn't need to return to whipping boy status but he was dropped for an in form Davis - someone needs to suffer the consequences!

Bock is a quality player whose best is lethal, he's played some SANFL footy and now gotten an AFL match into the legs. If we give Stevens the outrageous number of weeks we did following his concussion, a player of Bock's ilk gets another chance to find some touch surely!

 

[King Elvis]

Amer, you know I'm a lover of Bocky, but there is no point playing him now.

He's unfit and has no form; if we were going to play finals, you'd play him right now to get him ready for the finals.

But he isn't, so drop him, let him get fit and ready for next year, and get SMcK or Young into the side.

The time we put into them now is much more valuable than playing Bock - we know how good he is and what he's capable of.

Same goes for Stevens and Porps.

And I heard Knights was going to run in the Federal Election, so he could be out due to being Prime Minister shortly.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Mcleod, Goodwin and Knights are the only ones to be considered as the only changes if they are fit. Can not consider dropping Bock or Stevens. Stevens provides plenty of flexibility and can take good pack marks. Davis has yet to prove himself outside of being a stopper.

the team imo should almost be unchanged and be given a chance to redeem themselves. This could be seen as the loss we had to have leading to the run home as silly as it sounds. I can garuntee we will hit Richmond at 100mph and then we will have every incentive to carry it on for the remaining rounds.

No point throwing in the towell just yet. we have one more loss up our sleeve before finals are out of the equation.

 

[KingJames23]

5AA just mentioned that Stiffy will be sighted for that shirt front on Hitchcock.

Assuming he is suspended:

My preferred changes:
Out: Bock, Stevens, Porps, Armstrong, Stiffy
In: Martin, Knights, Gunston, Davis, Sellar
Heads must role. Would like Symes out but there is nobody to replace him. Not even Schmidt.

Most likely changes:
No change

 

[srv23]

Mcleod, Goodwin and Knights are the only ones to be considered as the only changes if they are fit. Can not consider dropping Bock or Stevens. Stevens provides plenty of flexibility and can take good pack marks. Davis has yet to prove himself outside of being a stopper.

the team imo should almost be unchanged and be given a chance to redeem themselves. This could be seen as the loss we had to have leading to the run home as silly as it sounds. I can garuntee we will hit Richmond at 100mph and then we will have every incentive to carry it on for the remaining rounds.

No point throwing in the towell just yet. we have one more loss up our sleeve before finals are out of the equation.

See I don't really get this. Why should a team that served up that crap be allowed to go in unchanged to "redeem themselves" if a team that played it's best game of the year against the best team in the comp/reigning premiers was not allowed to be rewarded for the performance and hence go in unchanged. Some players do need to be made accountable for that performance yesterday.

Stevens may be a good contested mark but his disposal at the moment is shocking - turnovers costing goals week after week. When he's a loose man he's ok but when he actually has to defend an opponent is when he comes unstuck. And having him do the kick ins was diabolical. We sure could have used someone who was "just a stopper" yesterday to stop Westhoff.

 

[amez_7]

]5AA just mentioned that Stiffy will be sighted for that shirt front on Hitchcock.
[/B]
Assuming he is suspended:

My preferred changes:
Out: Bock, Stevens, Porps, Armstrong, Stiffy
In: Martin, Knights, Gunston, Davis, Sellar
Heads must role. Would like Symes out but there is nobody to replace him. Not even Schmidt.

Most likely changes:
No change

Just heard on SEN that Stiffy has been suspended for 1 match.

 

[KingJames23]

Really hope Martin gets a run now with no Stiffy.

How many SANFL games has he played? Im guessing minimum 3 games required before Craigy considers him?