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[George CantStandYa]

Collingwood running two ruckman against ROB strategy. Very good move by then I have to say. Creative since pretty much anything else would've been more of the same. Bit worried about this to be honest.

? Thilthorpe also rucks

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

So this game boils down to whether Collingwood can stifle our ball movement again. If they do, it’ll be a tussle. If they can’t our forward line will blow them away.

I’m curious to see if the Crows try and play through the middle more this time. Last game both teams were happy to settle for long down the line for most of the game.

 

[Cromulant]

For patches, sure.

But Curtin on the wing has been a massive feature of the second half of our season. If he's in the midfield, who goes on the wing to replace him?

Its an interesting one, I do think we are short a midfielder unless we rotate a few through there.

 

[MrBarry]

i hope we don’t lose our nerve, and go over defensive.

Hopefully not as our best method to win is to get them blowing out their arses quickly.

 

[huludicidal]

For patches, sure.

But Curtin on the wing has been a massive feature of the second half of our season. If he's in the midfield, who goes on the wing to replace him?

Probably one of the 9 defenders we selected I’d imagine. Logically, Hinge.

I really don’t think this will happen though. I think we’re looking at this realistically:

Bond in a back pocket on Elliott

Curtin in his normal role on a wing

Hinge in his normal role at half back

Smith the sub

Max up forward on whoever the Pies play as their attacking half back out of Houston / J Daicos (the other of those two players will play on a wing)

Cumming on the other wing on the other of Houston / J Daicos

 

[pjcrows]

I’m curious to see if the Crows try and play through the middle more this time. Last game both teams were happy to settle for long down the line for most of the game.

Collingwood will stifle the corridor. That will be their Plan A and they're good at it. They'd be hoping we don't take risks or play on, and turn it into a dogfight.

We will need to take risks at the right time to win - but that's how we've won games this year.

 

[Carmo]

Thilrhorpe will monster Cox in the ruck and if he can drag him deep into the forward line it would be a demolition job.

Collingwood won't mind if thilthorpe is in the ruck since that takes him.out of the forward line and they probably feel they can cover Tex and fog. They won't care if tt goes into the forward line, cox won't necessarily follow especially if ball is upfield, he'll stay up there and him and Cameron will just try and wear down O'Brien as much as possible to try and get even more clearance ascendancy and from their perspective they'll hope that means the ball is in their forward line where tt doesn't matter.

Speaking of ruck contests, no one said much last time we played them but the umpiring of the ruck contests was abominable, completely inconsistent with the rest of the season, Cameron was basically given free rein to block O'Brien from the.contests. and that's all he did all game, blatant blocking. I've watched ruckman get pinged for that all year, yet, apparently against us, Collingwood ruckman is allowed new rules.

 

[Cromulant]

Collingwood won't mind if thilthorpe is in the ruck since that takes him.out of the forward line and they probably feel they can cover Tex and fog. They won't care if tt goes into the forward line, cox won't necessarily follow especially if ball is upfield, he'll stay up there and him and Cameron will just try and wear down O'Brien as much as possible to try and get even more clearance ascendancy and from their perspective they'll hope that means the ball is in their forward line where tt doesn't matter.

Speaking of ruck contests, no one said much last time we played them but the umpiring of the ruck contests was abominable, completely inconsistent with the rest of the season, Cameron was basically given free rein to block O'Brien from the.contests. and that's all he did all game, blatant blocking. I've watched ruckman get pinged for that all year, yet, apparently against us, Collingwood ruckman is allowed new rules.

RT will monster big Mason in there

 

[maxlilly]

i hope we don’t lose our nerve, and go over defensive.

We've just selected 9 defenders, this wont be a pretty match

I don't think Nicks rates Collingwood's contested game so we are playing down the line with no attack to keep it in close

 

[whitey_1975]

Too defensive. Dowling should have stayed. Pedlar will probably be invisible. At least no Murphy

 

[Cromulant]

We've just selected 9 defenders, this wont be a pretty match

I don't think Nicks rates Collingwood's contested game so we are playing down the line with no attack to keep it in close

Playing that way is the only way they'll win, im not sure we want to give them that

 

[MrBarry]

Too defensive. Dowling should have stayed. Pedlar will probably be invisible. At least no Murphy

Pedlar will bob up with 2 goals imo.

 

[Cromulant]

Pedlar will bob up with 2 goals imo.

I tend to agree, its a big night for him.

Dowling was solid when he had the ball against North but we've no doubt taken into account what his opponent did. Would've been happy enough to see him stay in mind you.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

A role so important it was given to Lachie Murphy last time?

Max played in our defensive 50, generally on the opposition’s best small forward, every week for 18 of 19 games before getting injured. He would have been top 6-7 in our B&F at the time of going down injured, playing that consistent role. Elliott narrowly missed the All-Australian team and has kicked over 50 goals this season. I’d say that qualifies as a pretty important job.

Reinventing the wheel to retain Bond, who literally would never have even played a single game this season if Max didn’t pull a hammy, to play Max out of position is weird and reeks of overthinking.

If Josh Daicos plays at half back, either of Neal-Bullen or Keays have proven they can play that role on a running defender. They are accustomed to playing inside 50. They are hungry tacklers and apply excellent pressure. This is their bread and butter.

If Josh Daicos plays on a wing, that becomes an interesting discussion because as a rule, we don’t tend to play defensive roles on opposition wings. I wonder if Max could play on a wing in that scenario, with Bond remaining in the side on Elliott? I’d rather that than the Max up forward option personally, but still, I’m just not big on chucking a guy like Max into an unfamiliar role, full stop.


Nick doesn’t even belong in a discussion involving any of these guys. Our regular mids will take turns on him, regardless of what we might think of the prospect of someone like Max tagging him as a mid (again, I’d actually rather this than Max playing in our forward line).



Anyway, it’s done now. Bond remains in the side. We’ve selected 9 defenders including the inevitable sub in Smith. We’re playing Max out of his normal position (or Bond, or Hinge). Maybe it’s Shane Ellen level genius from Nicks. We’ll probably have a better idea by half time.

Clearly you missed watching the Richmond game where Max quelled Vlastuin!

If you don’t think quelling the Daicos brothers is important, i can't help you.

Only change I would have made to the team is Dowling or Pedlar as sub instead of Smith, which would have given us the option of another midfielder/forward as we could then push either Max or Cumming back.

 

[glengowan]

Good team, minus the quality up forward of Rachele and Rankine. Michalanney back in adds another A grader to the line up. Collingwood tall brigade not good enough to stop all three of ours. Very happy no Howe, Hill or McStay. Keeping Josh Daicos

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Josh Daicos

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.6

5star

MG

230.5

4star

D

16.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.5

4star

MG

230.5

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

quiet was important last time. I suspect Michalanney or Pedlar will get that job and provide a bit more when we've got the ball than Murphy did last time. Feeling confident we'll get the win, which will hopefully allow Rachele some decent managed game time in the SANFL on Sunday, before preparing for a Preliminary Final the week after. His return significant to our chances of going deep.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Cox and Parker in for them.

McStay and Howe out.

Howe is a huge out for their stucture.

Not only is he important to their defensive organisation, it makes it harder for them to cover our 3 tall forwards.

Will fly go again with a loose man in defence like last timez which in turn freed up Wozz?

 

[Crow_68]

Oh ****, just saw the latest in for Collingwood.

No.32, Jacob Mollison

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

That’s a very defender heavy team.

9 defenders in the team, with 3 being tall defenders that have played 87-95% time on ground, with all the other defenders above 80%.

The Crows must be playing Smith as the sub and Max in the forward line, otherwise you’ve constantly got 2 defenders on the bench.

Max is playing forward, so there will be only 1 dedender on the bench.

But imo we should have made Dowling or Pedlar so we can inject more energy into midfield/forward line during the game. Though Smith could play off a wing.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Oh ****, just saw the latest in for Collingwood.

No.32, Jacob Mollison

Was guaranteed we would get a few of the dodgy umpires.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So compared to last time we played Pies

Max in for Murphy
Pedlar in for Rankine
Laird in for Smith
Smith sub for Schoenberg

Pies
Steele for Allan
Cox for McStay

 

[PeterSalt]

So compared to last time we played Pies

Max in for Rankine
Laird in for Smith
Smith sub for Schoenberg

Pies
Steele for Allan
Cox for McStay

Pedlar in for Murphy (in this scenario)

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Lots to unpack

Seems very defense-minded / safety first with Bond + Smith in the 23 but a couple of big risks in there too.

Can Pedlar get through a full game and contribute for 4 quarters? I really like him and am glad we've picked him. Acknowledge that it is a risk though.

Was Max forward a Shane Ellen FF at Noarlunga brief glimpse, joker stashed away for later, now played just the week vs a good team when we are without Rankine + Rachele? Bold call, coach. I think the timing is right.

Last season many of us thought Bond might be able to find a niche role in defence. It hasn't happened but I reckon our coaches have been looking for ways to include him. The planets have aligned late in the season. I like it. He could be our Nick Smith in waiting.

A shame about Dowling. I wonder what it is we don't rate about him? Seems a composed, effective, impactful player every time he takes the field. Is he a bit... nice? We maybe prefer the streetfight of Pedlar.

Question
Will Collingwood dutifully park Josh Daicos

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Josh Daicos

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.6

5star

MG

230.5

4star

D

16.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.5

4star

MG

230.5

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

across half back for Max to forward tag him? I suspect they won't. We showed our hand against them last time. Against Gold Coast when Collingwood had a poor first half they shifted J Daicos into the midfield after half time and he lit it up

I reckon J Daicos starts in the middle and we instead see Pendles or even N Daicos start across half back.

What do we do? Who do we target?

 

[jamesclean]

Do a shot if
• Max kicks a goal.
• Tex kicks three.
• Pedlar gets injured.
• Fogarty does a fend off.
• Soligo and Pedlar get high tackle frees.
• Naicos gets a free during stopped play.
• Frampton takes a contested mark.
• Curtin gets a centre clearance.
• Hinge kicks OOF.
• Keays receives assistance to stand up (two hands outreached).
• Milera kicks to a mark inside 50.

 

[Mutineer]

Umpires
Andrew Stephens (12), Hayden Meyer (14), Simon Meredith (21), Jacob Mollison (32)