Changes Vs Fremantle

[Allefgib]

Tippett would feel safer playing with McPharlin out...

Amen brother Carl, amen. Most dangerous knees in the business!

 

[Allefgib]

I'd still like to see Kurt in a stackhat.

Then he can rip it off at halftime in the preliminary final.

Note - im pretty sure this never actually happened, and that "the great Shaun Rehn taking off of the knee brace" actually occurred in an earlier season game against the Bulldogs. His first game back, actually. Someone will confirm that for me.

Still, it's a good story.

Well from my recollection he was wearing it in the first half of that game.. and wasn't in the second.

The rest is just part of our legacy

 

[TheRoo32]

In: Tippett, Mackay
Out: Tambling, Dunno??

This is of course if tip Dmack and Porps are all good to go. Need to start fielding our strongest team and find some form coming into finals. Gold Coast in round23 looks like th most suitable time for 'resting' if thats something we're looking at but it can be risky...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'd still like to see Kurt in a stackhat.

Then he can rip it off at halftime in the preliminary final.

Note - im pretty sure this never actually happened, and that "the great Shaun Rehn taking off of the knee brace" actually occurred in an earlier season game against the Bulldogs. His first game back, actually. Someone will confirm that for me.

Still, it's a good story.

Definitely the prelim final. Had worn the brace all season up until then.

 

[Geoffa32]

He needs to start playing now and build some form for September.

 

[Thylacinus]

From the AFC website:
Trio tipped to play

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By Katrina Gill 1:22 PM Wed 08 Aug, 2012

Kurt Tippett with coach Brenton Sanderson



Coach Brenton Sanderson says he expects injured trio Kurt Tippett, Jason Porplyzia and David Mackay to be fit to play against Fremantle at AAMI Stadium on Saturday

 

[Allefgib]

I did put a number on it - 24 goals. The next highest goal kicker in the team is a midfielder - Sloane, with 16.

He's the best crumbing forward in the team, by a stretch.

With all due respect, I think you're the one charged with the burden of proof here.

So if Callinan is not in the side, does someone else step to provide his goal output? Do a number of people?

i.e. do Vince/Pets/Wright/Porps just kick an extra 6 each?

Ranked in our teams importance I think he'd be about 19 to 21 (based on my methods for selecting best 22 the other day).
I agree that they are purely statistical measures and don't allow for difficulty of role, calmness under pressure, big game player etc etc - but they do reflect the raw value output he has had to the side this year. I'll even shave off 4/5 spots for you to allow for his form slump.. He sits 15 to 20 atm.

Or lets look at this way.
1 - ruck
2 key forwards, 2 key backs
3 - gun midfielders
4 - 6 extra mids including the run with guys, they'll fill flanks as required.
Extra tall forward
Third tall defender
Small defenders/forwards

So that put's him at 14th at best anyway - in the mix with all the small defenders/forwards. You might argue the extra tall forward isn't more important but I disagree.

Happy to hear a different view mate. If he hadn't had the form slump he might be viewed higher. No where near the top 10 though and be interested to hear your case for him being in our top 10 if you have one.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

19-21 is the number I was trying to get Pete to say.... I think it is right on the money

 

[Allefgib]

19-21 is the number I was trying to get Pete to say.... I think it is right on the money

He said 24. I'm a bit surprised by that as even you had him higher

 

[Slippery Pete]

You guys are taking me back to the bad old days of Selection Table 101, Neil
Style.

That ranking you've given him, on current form, RIGHT NOW, may well be correct - but what does it actually mean? If he's BOG this week and next, what's his ranking then? What was Porplyzia's ranking at the beginning of this year, when he couldn't get a kick in a street fight? None of us knew for certain Porps was going to come good, but carrying him for a while was a judgement call based on a variety of factors - and the correct one.

A ranking like that can change in the blink of an eye.

Selection, especially with a view to September, is about so much more than this simplistic, "he's out of form, drop him" attitude. You guys are taking your eye off the ball completely.

Bullshit rankings are not what it's all about at this time of the year. It's about which players are going to help us win finals. I just hope the club is thinking the same.

 

[Allefgib]

Come on mate I'm trying to engage you to express your opinion. Based on all the factors you personally consider valuable - put forward your case.

Are you saying you're going to pick Nutter on intangible qualities over a 3rd tall forward? If so, say so and explain why.

The ranking is based on the entire seasons performance - I wouldn't necessarily pick the side based on that but it was a tool to assist in forming the opinoin he sits 15 to 20. I'd go against the grain when having to rank a player like Petrenko - he plays a specific role that the coach and his teammates value highly. He's holding his spot because of that and I'm comfortable with that. (so as an aside who would you pick first, Pets or Nutter?)

I totally agree its about players that will help us win finals - please put together a case for who Callinan would be picked ahead of in that regard? Or if easier, who would be picked before Callinan - either one is fine.

 

[Slippery Pete]

You're making this harder than it has to be mate. Nutter has played every game this year, barring injury. In several of those games ALL the other smalls - Wright, Pets, Johncock and Porps- have played too, as well as a third tall.

You're turning this into a discussion about team balance when it's completely unwarranted. Callinan has been a permanent fixture ALL YEAR. Why you've felt the need to discuss the third tall, or pit his spot against Petrenko's (there has never been a contest between these two) I have no idea.

So all i can see that it comes down to is you're asking me to justify what Ian can offer the team heading into finals footy. Really??

 

[Vader]

To be fair Pete, a large part of the reason why Callinan's position has never been in doubt is because he was performing at a high standard - as his 24 goals attests. The problem we currently face is that his recent performances have been very poor indeed - he's scored just 1.1 in the last 3 weeks combined (vs 23.13 in his previous 13 games) and he's not making up for it in other areas the way that Petrenko does.

With Tippett due to return shortly and Jenkins performing well enough to justify a 3-pronged tall attack (along with Walker), the balance of the team looks like changing slightly on the eve of the finals, with one of the smalls having to drop out.

Tambling's omission is a no-brainer, but he'll be replaced by Mackay. That leaves the selectors with a tough choice about who to drop when Tippett returns - it's either Riley, Johncock or Callinan. Given the relative performances of those 3, Callinan's position is definitely in jeopardy. I'm not saying that he will be dropped, or even that he should be dropped, but I think you need to consider the possibility that his recent form may have put his position in the team at risk.

 

[Slippery Pete]

That's fair enough, but my point was nothing about that balance is particularly new. We've played three talls (Jacobs, Tippett, Jenkins/McKernan) plus Walker, in several games this year as well as all those smaller guys.

You're right though - Riley will need to make way.

There's also the possibility that some experienced players might be rested, and someone like Riley will play the next few weeks. That's fine too.

But we should not contemplate going into a finals match without Callinan. Not even for a second.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

Whilst I'm a Callinan fan, he wouldn't be the first player to be a top 22 in the minor round and miss out on the finals (Derek Kickett says hello or dare I mention the dynamic Richard Douglas in 2009).

Last Sunday we played two small forwards (Porplyzia and Callinan), a defensive forward (Petrenko) two tall forwards (Walker and Jenkins) and two high half forwards who rotated with the midfielders (Vince and Douglas). These seven players were mostly rotating through the forward line in the first half on Sunday.

Nutta has three possible problems; Firstly we may decide to have a third tall forward/ruckmen and one less small forward. Who misses out, Porplyzia, Petrenko or Nutta? Secondly, we may move VB back to the tagging role, Wrighty back to the forward line. Is Nutta in front of Wrighty? Thirdly Stiffy was moved forward when Porps "bruised his shoulder blade". Is Nutta in front of Stiffy for the small forward role?

Now I expect that we will not have every first 22 selection available in September but if we do then Nutta will be on thin ice.

 

[macca23]

I'd still like to see Kurt in a stackhat.

Then he can rip it off at halftime in the preliminary final.

Note - im pretty sure this never actually happened, and that "the great Shaun Rehn taking off of the knee brace" actually occurred in an earlier season game against the Bulldogs. His first game back, actually. Someone will confirm that for me.

Still, it's a good story.

Not sure that Kurt ripping off a stack hat would be as dramatic as Rehn's ripping off his knee brace was.

I don't remember it being in a final either, but it was a long time ago.

As I recall it, his knee brace was covered by a massive swathe of big black bandages and it actually happened out on the ground during play rather than in the break.

It was obviously either hampering Rhen or at a very minimum pissing him off, as he just stopped during play, and ripped the whole lot of, brace and bandages and threw the whole lot away.

It took all of us spectators aback at the time as we all feared that he had done it prematurely and was at risk of hurting himself again. He didn't and his game seemed to improve without thehindrance of the brace.

 

[Chief Crow]

Sando's midweek presser

part 1


part 2

 

[cmndstab]

We have shown this year that, when looking to bring a best 22 player back in to the side, we would prefer to drop a newcomer to the team who performed decently, than drop an established player down on form.

I'd say Riley will drop out before Callinan - and as much as I'm a Riley fan, I'd say it's the correct decision. We need an in-form Callinan in September, and while there's no guarantee he'll get there by staying in the team, the odds are diminished greatly if we drop him only a few weeks out from the finals.

 

[CROW36]

Tippett would feel safer playing with McPharlin out...

I agree he is the one that killed off Scott Stevens career.

 

[Allefgib]

You're making this harder than it has to be mate. Nutter has played every game this year, barring injury. In several of those games ALL the other smalls - Wright, Pets, Johncock and Porps- have played too, as well as a third tall.

You're turning this into a discussion about team balance when it's completely unwarranted. Callinan has been a permanent fixture ALL YEAR. Why you've felt the need to discuss the third tall, or pit his spot against Petrenko's (there has never been a contest between these two) I have no idea.

So all i can see that it comes down to is you're asking me to justify what Ian can offer the team heading into finals footy. Really??

Okay so what you're saying is that assuming we've had no improvement in relative performances between Nutter and players outside the best 22, there is no decision to make. I agree.

His performances have dropped off. I for one link this directly to Tips being out. This weekend 'may' show its not.

Other guys have come in and out of the side based on injury and giving them a run. So where does Nutter sit now in that relative mix for you. Still inside the best 22 - and that's fine. What was asked, and what I'm curious to hear so been pestering you on it, is who he is picked before or after in your opinion. (then I'll probably ask why )

Is it that hard? I'll give you my view for the small forward role in terms of guys who CAN play as a mostly a small forward with occasional runs on the ball.

Thompson
Sloane
Porps
Vince
Wright
Douglas
Petrenko
Callinan
Johncock
Jaensch
Knights
Riley
Martin
Lyons
McIntyre
Kerridge

 

[Slippery Pete]

He's the only GENUINE crumber on our entire list, big fella. And I'm not talking occasional, I'm talking a guy whose entire craft is crumbing, and finishing.

If we're selecting for that craft, he's ahead of every single one of those guys on that list.

Just like Pets with the forward pressure, he's a unique beast on our list. That's why I've said from day one - he's not competing with Porplyzia, or any of those other guys. He possesses a trade those other guys are only part-timers in.

Hope that answers it.

 

[Mismatched]

The Callinan debate is an interesting one, personally I'm not quite decided on the matter. He does play one of the most difficult positions on the ground, where its easy to go through ruts and sometimes you can just snap out of them with a bang. The worry I have is the impact that confidence has on such a player and the simple lack of footy that Callinan is finding, his kicking is off and he has been fumbling the footy where he previously wouldn't.

IMO I don't actually think that a week or two with Centrals would hurt him at all, he looks to be a player very much out of touch and I think going back to a lower level, finding 30 touches and kicking 4 goals could be the best thing for him. Finding touch as a small forward can be extremely difficult at times and often a bit of a change of scenery or position for a couple of weeks can do the world of good.

Our final 4 weeks should be as much about preparing our side as anything else. I agree with Pete that come finals time we'll want the class of Callinan, however I don't agree that him being dropped would be the end of the world. Chances are Riley would drop out in a week or two after Callinan had gone back to Centrals, dominated and regained some form.

Having said that, I'm not too fussed if Callinan remains in the team and someone like Riley drops out for Tippett, but if Callinan were to be dropped, I wouldn't expect it to last too long.

It should be a cracker. I think you'd be mad to play Tippett yet, most concussions they will say 1 week rest for the first, then 2 extra for the second and 4 for the third, so I doubt they'd rush him back for this. Better to have him primed for the finals rather than risking his entire playing future.

Do "they" now... and who is "they" might I ask? Because the experts in the matter, personally I'm no lay person on the matter either, say that no concussion is the same and thus each concussion and situation must be judged on its merits. This is no simple hamstring injury or broken forearm where every man and their dog has done it, its simple to assess and the healing times are pretty stock standard. The assessment is much more detailed and intricate when it comes to concussion and to follow some standard formula is just plain stupid. I would trust the medical opinions and assessments that the Crows have obtained and by the sounds he will be back this week. Bad luck.

 

[jenny61_99]

I'd still like to see Kurt in a stackhat.

Then he can rip it off at halftime in the preliminary final.

Note - im pretty sure this never actually happened, and that "the great Shaun Rehn taking off of the knee brace" actually occurred in an earlier season game against the Bulldogs. His first game back, actually. Someone will confirm that for me.

Still, it's a good story.

Yep it was in the preliminary!

 

[PykeDream]

I hope we don't drop Riley. Given our current injuries and the form of players, he's our next best option outside the 22. Sturt have the bye this week and I think we need to see some continuity next week after a good return against Essendon.

 

[Lawrst]

How do you define importaince tho? Is thomo danger and sloane more or less importaint to our finals chances than Talia or rutten? How about Walker or Tip?

If we replace callinan with a player and expect him to do the same things as callinan, we dont have anyone that is close.