Opinion Changes vs Richmond

[Mr39]

Dunno about that. We turned him into that defender from being a midfielder. His best game at AFL by a long way was in a Prelim Final playing as a pure midfielder. Was close to BOG that day. The 2nd half of 2008 he played as a pure midfielder and had a great finish to the year. It was only through the second half of 2009 and the start of 2010 that we started playing him in a back pocket.

So for the last 3-4 years he's been pigeon holed into that role by the coaching staff, I cant see how they are going to all of a sudden change their minds about a) having him in the team, and b)wacking him in the midfield with the rest of the plodders we have in there.

 

[kaysee]

With 4 losses in a row it's time to start rewarding SANFL form

Out:
1 of broadbent or Pfieffer
Pfieffer - did OK but butchered the ball too much so unlucky but he'll make his way back into the team
Broadbent - kicked 2 goals (**** knows how that snap went through) but missing too much and disposal still relatively poor although got into it more yesterday than the previous couple of weeks.

Cassisi - actually said to my mate if he was even playing as had not sighted him all game and this was midway through the 3rd, then he popped up for a few possies. Killing us with lack of producitivity and negative play, we need that spot if he's not performing for someone like Young.

Renouf - looked alright until lack of match fitness killed him, put a couple down the throat of rodan nicely

Schulz - Scum eye gouge move will have him out for a week or two

In: Salopek, Ebert (both good SANFL form), Lobbe/Redden, D.Stewart/Hitchcock (depends if coaches want to replace big for big/small)

Also would like to see Jacobs pushed into the midfield more, he played alright again yesterday but I think he looks much better moving around up the ground so in saying that wouldn't mind if Logan came in to take the backline spot if we push Jacobs up the field which means one less of salopek or ebert coming in.

Don't mind this at all

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[JMint]

O'Shea looked lively in the country juniors league ... just sayin'!!

 

[tribey]

Moore over Ebert?
Really. Based on what exactly? Age can only be the only factor in Moores favour??
Eberts SANFL form is streets ahead of Moores and his Skills right now are more then streets ahead....
Sick of youngsters getting a free pass based on age...

Moore is bigger, younger, is trending upwards on his formline and will give us lots more defensively.

Even if Ebert was in something approaching his AA Squad form I'm not sure he'd be a positive for the side given what it did to our structure then and what it would do to our structure now.

 

[Adz2332]

Fair point guys, i understand where your coming from. im just not a huge lover of Moore. From what ive seen in the AFL, granted i havent seen much when hes been in the seconds, i dont get where the Moore love comes from.
I just think going down 4 times in a row, we need to honor SANFL form. And if we dont, what incentive is it for the blokes when they do get dropped to the seconds to perform?

 

[The Smaller Warrior]

Moore has SANFL Form aswell mind you.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I'm only going by stats here since I very rarely watch SANFL, but from my interpretation Ebert doesn't have SANFL 'form'. He's played more poor games than good ones. Moore has played more good games than poor ones, admittedly in an easier competition.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Don't think Moore should play just yet. Give him 2-3 weeks of consistent football in the senior side and then give him a go.

If he learns to back himself in the seniors then his transition into the afl will be a lot smaller

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Interesting tweet from [@]PAFC[/@] re Brett Ebert ... doesn't sound like a walk up start just yet.

Has been a bit up and down in the SANFL but was good on Saturday with 5 goals. More good footy and he'll be putting his hand up

 

[DonDraper]

Our midfield group has a massive test against the Tigers. No Schulz hurts us big time this week but we can still cause them all sorts of problems if we get our forward structure right. But Cotchin/Martin/Deledio could have an absolute field day. Tuck and Foley have been in good form for them too.

They need to stop talking about how they let the team down and make amends by winning the clearances

 

[no_remorse28]

Our midfield group has a massive test against the Tigers. No Schulz hurts us big time this week but we can still cause them all sorts of problems if we get our forward structure right. But Cotchin/Martin/Deledio could have an absolute field day. Tuck and Foley have been in good form for them too.

They need to stop talking about how they let the team down and make amends by winning the clearances

I am actually quite looking forward to us using D Stewart as our CHF up the ground a tad, because he is a pretty good contested mark and hopefully will take a few and provide for our runners going passed to fire it in to Butch. Stewart has all the makings to be a pretty solid AFL player I think, and Schultz out really gives him that chance

 

[Forzaport]

Little bit tough this week, but I think I've settled on my changes:

In: Tom Logan, Jarrad Redden [if available], Steven Salopek, Daniel Stewart
Out: Matthew Broadbent [omit], Brent Renouf [omit; if Redden available], David Rodan [or Wingard if injured], Jay Schulz [inj]

-Broadbent has now had 3 average games in a row and needs to go back to build up some consistency in his game.
-Renouf is replaced by Redden if Redden is ready to go.
-Rodan is out unless Wingard goes out injured. If Wingard is injured, Rodan becomes the sub. I don't think Rodan is capable of a 4 qtr performance, especially in the current AFL climate.
-Schulz is out injured and replaced by D.Stewart.
-Salopek has earned his chance at AFL level, ditto Logan. Both have shown consistent form in the SANFL and deserve a call up.
-I was dubious about Rodan replacing D.Stewart and now I'm confident it was the wrong move. D.Stewart needs to be there as a back up ruckman and as someone that can kick goals.
-Pfeiffer is lucky to hold his spot but from where I'm sitting it was either him or Thomas and I think I'll give Pfeiffer one more week to show something. I'd play him as the sub (if Rodan is out) to allow Salopek, Jacobs and Young to have full games. I don't believe the sub has to be an impact player - the sub just needs to come in and play their role. Pfeiffer can do that - he'll be another midfield rotation who has already shown he can defend and attack and generally be smart with his possessions (when he's not being stupid or trying to be cute).
-I think Lobbe needs another week to build up fitness, ditto Hitchcock and I'm not convinced on the form of Phillips, Bre.Ebert, Moore and O'Shea at the moment.

 

[Schulzenfest]

David Rodan is second for TOTAL clearances at Port right now despite the fact that he's only played 2 and a quarter games out of 5. He is incredibly important. We need him. I don't understand why anyone would even contemplate dropping him. Especially when you have ****ing Pfeiffer still in the side.

D.Stewart needs to be there as a back up ruckman

Or what, we'll lose the clearances? We should drop a guy averaging 7.3 clearances a game (despite only playing for a quarter in one of his games) and replace him with a guy only averaging 8.2 hitouts a game and that'll make us better in the midfield, will it?

 

[DonDraper]

Daniel Jackson is out for them. 1 week suspension. Westy has been fined for an obscene gesture. WTF did he do?

 

[Schulzenfest]

Daniel Jackson is out for them. 1 week suspension.

That's a massive loss.

For us.

 

[Mitch Power]

Cassisi has absolutely zero of the attributes required to play half back. Too slow to defend, poor decision making and disposal preventing him from rebound. He'd be awful at it.

If he's not in the square he needs to be tagging the opposition half back or out of the side.

Mate, if you say he can't run, can't make the right decision and he can't kick, then how is he in the side let alone the captain of the team? Playing as a defender is easier than playing as a midfielder.

 

[Schulzenfest]

All Cassisi is good at is winning clearances/contested ball and laying tackles. Plenty of opportunities to do those things in the midfield, not many in defence. To be a small defender you need to be one of two things: A) Be quick and smart enough to keep up with nippy small forwards or B) Be quick, skilful and smart enough to rebound. Cassisi is neither of those things.

 

[Mitch Power]

All Cassisi is good at is winning clearances/contested ball and laying tackles. Plenty of opportunities to do those things in the midfield, not many in defence. To be a small defender you need to be one of two things: A) Be quick and smart enough to keep up with nippy small forwards or B) Be quick, skilful and smart enough to rebound. Cassisi is neither of those things.

gopower, I respect your view but disagree. He is certainly not the most dynamic captain or midfielder we have had and he may lack a little speed but he is certainly footy smart, lays a good tackle and wins his share of 50/50 balls as you have mentioned above. If you have a footy brain you can overcome a small lack of pace.

Many times before we joined the AFL, we were labelled as too slow but guys like Tim Giniver and Greg Phillips overcame that with their footy smart.

 

[Forzaport]

David Rodan is second for TOTAL clearances at Port right now despite the fact that he's only played 2 and a quarter games out of 5. He is incredibly important. We need him. I don't understand why anyone would even contemplate dropping him. Especially when you have ****ing Pfeiffer still in the side.



Or what, we'll lose the clearances? We should drop a guy averaging 7.3 clearances a game (despite only playing for a quarter in one of his games) and replace him with a guy only averaging 8.2 hitouts a game and that'll make us better in the midfield, will it?

Yes.

Rodan has a talent for winning clearances in the first quarter or when he's a sub but he's ****ing useless the rest of the game. Pfeiffer can at least run a game out and contribute for 4 quarters. D.Stewart never should've been dropped. Having a part-time ruck that can actually compete in the ruck is critical especially in the last quarter of games.

If I had my way, Rodan wouldn't play a full game again until he can play a full 4 quarters.

 

[Schulzenfest]

That's fine then, make him a sub. He won more clearances in a quarter against St. Kilda than most of our players win in a game. You suggested making Pfeiffer the sub, so make Rodan the sub instead because he'll do a far better job.

The only thing Pfeiffer contributed for 4 quarters was turnovers. I'd rather a guy who contributes one or two good quarters and then goes quiet than a guy who's consistently crap over 4 quarters.

D.Stewart never should've been dropped. Having a part-time ruck that can actually compete in the ruck is critical especially in the last quarter of games.

Don't get me wrong, I want Stewart in the side too. Just not at the expense of Rodan.

Unless the ruckman is a freak like Naitanui, the three midfielders are far more important than the ruckman in determining who gets the clearance and the stats back that up. Rodan is easily our best clearance midfielder. Easily.

 

[edgie]

Would still prefer to see what Renouf can do up forward for us while Redden rucks and leave DStew out for another week

 

[kaysee]

Daniel Jackson is out for them. 1 week suspension. Westy has been fined for an obscene gesture. WTF did he do?

Birded the crowd in the 1st.

 

[pstew2dstew]

Speaking about rucks,...

Can some explain to me why Giles is killing it for gws and not us?


I don't know what happenednthere

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Speaking about rucks,...

Can some explain to me why Giles is killing it for gws and not us?


I don't know what happenednthere

He developed late after looking for all intents and purposes that he was just a dud.

The switch from Centrals to Sturt seemed to really help his development too.

 

[gimmethat]

Bit harsh on Pfeiffer. 15 possessions and not many of them cheap. Got a couple of turnovers attempting to be aggressive and one of which when he received a handball with three players around him. Did some unselfish things which did not show up on stat sheets that lead to goals.

Also did anyone notice how he was given a tagging role on Sloane and did well to stop his impact. Played a similar tagging role for a period against Pendlebury as well.

At least Pfeiffer is competitive and doesn't give up. With more games under his belt he will be valuable.

Let's remember, a rookie pick and in two games is averaging 18 possessions. I'm not saying he is Ablett but I have been impressed given his two games have been against Collingwood away and a Showdown. Any player would have a few nerves in their second game for a Club but certainly worth persevering with.