Analysis Changes vs Swans 2/7/16

[King Harold]

Firstly I'm not assessing the changes based on the game against Geelong. If I was I'd be dropping our entire forwardline and midfield, starting with Redpath and ending with Hunter.
Honeychurch has had one excellent week and one bad, deserves a chance at redemption and is also the only one suited to covering for Dahlhaus' injury and role.
Williams fades in and out of games and I needed to bring Wood back for another defender. Jong isn't in my best team when Koby is fit as they are both very similar with Stevens being better in most ways.
I guess you could make an argument for dropping Dunkley and playing Jong forward but I'd prefer Dunks in that role. I did toy with dropping him for Webb though, but not having actually watched the vfl game I can't comment on whether Webby has improved his inside work enough.

Give me Jong over Honey any day of the week.
I know you are a real fan of Honey , and his game against Port was good ( not sure about excellent - but to be fair, hard spot to play )
My argument is based on the fact we looked very small against the Cats , out marked everywhere , too many short people .
You and me seem to butt heads regularly over the value of Honey , I just don't see a heap of talent there for a bloke of his size .

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Who plays on Buddy?. I guess it is Dale Morris with a chop from Easton Wood.

 

[doggies ftw]

Out: Fletcher in: wood
Out: Dunkley in: Webb (it's time)
Out: Honey. In: TBoyd
Out: Williams in: clay
Against top 4 teams our lack of height and targets has killed us. However, for this to work, it requires a defensive forward small beast like puopolo. The best we have got is Clay. Clay is uncompromising - 2 bogs in vfl is enough with a week off. Play him in the forward pocket for the entire game.

Yep, it's tough on honey and Williams but what we are dishing up against the best teams is not cutting it. Maybe with JJ and Murph we can play short and cut them up but without them short is not going to work.

A forward line of :

Dickson stringer liber
Clay TBoyd redpath

This is a tough proposition for any opposition

Think thats just about spot on, it just might not be the week to go tall on a most likely wet, small SCG. Could also leave Clay out longer and keep Honey in, Im of the opinion he's just as likely to reinjure himself in the VFL or the AFL so Im okay with him coming in.

 

[bungwahl]

Think thats just about spot on, it just might not be the week to go tall on a most likely wet, small SCG. Could also leave Clay out longer and keep Honey in, Im of the opinion he's just as likely to reinjure himself in the VFL or the AFL so Im okay with him coming in.

It's still a long way to go, but the current forecast is for dry weather. We've had very little rain in Sydney other than the two east coast lows in the past month. The SCG is also larger than Etihad in terms of the playing area, albeit only marginally.

 

[fronkalicious]

Campbell's played great, but if beveridge thinks Boyd/redpath is the best combination to go with, and we can only play one ruckman, you just do it.

Can't worry about hurting feelings at selection.

 

[compact72]

Campbell's played great, but if beveridge thinks Boyd/redpath is the best combination to go with, and we can only play one ruckman, you just do it.

Can't worry about hurting feelings at selection.

WTF is with all this talk about Campbell being dropped?

So we are asking a guy thats been played in every game, done an amazing job to be dropped for some guy out of form in the VFL? I know everybody wants Boyd to succeed, but lets get real here

 

[Cudi]

Can't be playing Clay just yet, understand the temptation but no need to rush. From reports he was struggling with fitness in the last quarter so he still needs another week or two to build that base. I want to see him back in the AFL as much as anyone but time is not right yet.

 

[Igloo]

WTF is with all this talk about Campbell being dropped?

So we are asking a guy thats been played in every game, done an amazing job to be dropped for some guy out of form in the VFL? I know everybody wants Boyd to succeed, but lets get real here

I don't want Campbell dropped either, but what?

Campbell hasn't played every game.
And Boyd isn't playing VFL because he was out of form. Since back from injury, he's had 2 ok games and 1 good game. It's nothing to do with being out of form. Plus it's harder to get back in when others in the side are playing well.

 

[Dogsman16]

Campbell's played great, but if beveridge thinks Boyd/redpath is the best combination to go with, and we can only play one ruckman, you just do it.

Can't worry about hurting feelings at selection.

Campbell is a better first ruck than Roughead in my view and offers more as a tall forward when resting there.

Roughead would have to be the one to get the chop.

Don't think either of them would get dropped though.

 

[compact72]

I don't want Campbell dropped either, but what?

Campbell hasn't played every game.
And Boyd isn't playing VFL because he was out of form. Since back from injury, he's had 2 ok games and 1 good game. It's nothing to do with being out of form. Plus it's harder to get back in when others in the side are playing well.

My bad, thought he has

Boyd would of been looking at VFL even if he didn't get injured IMO

 

[TimlinOfficial]

Wood IN Roberts OUT
Roberts has been fairly solid. He was beaten late twice by Hawkins but this isn't really a good matchup for him anyway and I imagine he was only on him because Adams was off at the time. This is the logical move to get Wood back in to the side, Roberts will be back.

Boyd IN Dunkley OUT
Dunkley's had a run of four games in a row now. Good string of games for a first year player. He's shown a lot of fight but we need more height down forward and Boyd has to come back in now. Dunks will be back. Also, we don't need to drop Roughy/Campbell to fit Boyd in to the side. Boyd can do the ruckwork I50, Campbell and Roughy can swap off the bench or Roughy can add height down back in the absence of Roberts, if need be.

Lukas Webb could come in too. Honeychurch would probably be the unlucky one to miss out if this happens.

Clay Smith can have a bit more time to get match fitness up, no need to rush him in yet.

Koby needs to come back through the VFL, as does JJ.


Forward 50:
HF - Daniel Redpath Stringer
F - Dickson Boyd Picken

Back 50:
HB - Suckling Wood Biggs
B - Morris Adams Boyd

 

[ringa5]

WTF is with all this talk about Campbell being dropped?

So we are asking a guy thats been played in every game, done an amazing job to be dropped for some guy out of form in the VFL? I know everybody wants Boyd to succeed, but lets get real here

Getting real is realising an investment like Boyd who is a KPF must play.Has more upside than any other tall.Dont get grandfinals without one.PLAY BOYD

 

[immortalmike]

Give me Jong over Honey any day of the week.
I know you are a real fan of Honey , and his game against Port was good ( not sure about excellent - but to be fair, hard spot to play )
My argument is based on the fact we looked very small against the Cats , out marked everywhere , too many short people .
You and me seem to butt heads regularly over the value of Honey , I just don't see a heap of talent there for a bloke of his size .

That's where you're wrong, I am not a real fan of Honeychurch (I'm unsure of how many times I have to post that for people to understand it) In fact I have real concerns on him ever making it. I'm just trying to be fair to him and he seems to be the best replacement for Dalhaus.
If I was going with who I would prefer in the team based on how I rate them I'd have Webb and Smith in over both and Redpath would never return. But on form and in the context of the team those changes wouldn't work.

 

[immortalmike]

WTF is with all this talk about Campbell being dropped?

So we are asking a guy thats been played in every game, done an amazing job to be dropped for some guy out of form in the VFL? I know everybody wants Boyd to succeed, but lets get real here

Boyd isn't out of form. Campbell definitely is.

 

[BRWB]

SCG is absolutely the wrong ground to play two key fwds IMO. So much as I want Boyd back it can't be next game unless we drop Red (which would be manifestly unfair after just one poor game).

Depends on injuries really. I'd like a bigger body like Stevens or Smith in but not sure they'll be ready.

So that leaves Wood in for Roberts - more for match ups than any real shocking form (I do admit that for me, any reason is a good reason to put Fletch back to his rightful position as a once in a while depth player).

A few blokes need to lift. Mitch.

Longer term I see Honey and Jong struggling to keep their spots ahead of Dahl, McLean, Stevens, Webb and Smith. Biggs may be in trouble as well if Williams keeps playing well and JJ comes back. I also suspect Rough will get dropped for Boyd at some stage.

 

[Pugz89]

Heeney should get a week or 2 for his hit on Vince...unless he gets the Sydney benefit of the doubt.

Any vision? Know of the Vince one on Parker but hadn't seen/read anything about a Heeney bump.

 

[Dogsman16]

Yep SCG is a terrible ground for multiple tall forwards. Lack of space mean they all get in each other's way.

Unleash Boyd after the bye.

 

[ScottyDogg]

WTF is with all this talk about Campbell being dropped?

So we are asking a guy thats been played in every game, done an amazing job to be dropped for some guy out of form in the VFL? I know everybody wants Boyd to succeed, but lets get real here

I think you need to take a moment and have a look at both Campbell and Rough's contributions statistically before you tell everyone else to get real. Roughead has had 3 goals this year and Campbell 5. They both average less than 4 marks a game. I'm not saying either of them have been bad, they have been really great in the ruck countering some great opposition in Gawn Goldie and Nic Nat. Nonetheless, what we need is offense. Neither Roughie or Campbell have presented as a viable forward this year. Having two rucks that offer very little else around the ground is not going to help us improve. Toyd may come in and be equally ineffectual but he kicked three goals yesterday as a forward marking target and can more than share the ruck. Why wouldn't we give it a go in the next few weeks? If he can be close to as good in the ruck as one of these two but offer significantly more as a forward I think it is a no brainer.

Thoughts?

 

[ringa5]

Hawks as good as they are won't win premiship this year.Why no KPF.Sure they have great players but in finals you must have a Franklin Roughead,Hawkins,or even a Cameron. Dogs found out 2007-2010.Hall was 2 years too late.As a long suffering dogs supporter l know this too well.1985 we were a chance Beasley dito 97 Grant.Premierships are built around tall forwards.All teams know this.Gordon knows this thats why Griffen leaving was meant to be.Boyd only gets better by playing.We rolled the dice.Drew a line in the sand whatever.BOYD MUST PLAY.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Any vision? Know of the Vince one on Parker but hadn't seen/read anything about a Heeney bump.

Vince with head over the ball heeney crashed into him . Vince got the free.

 

[King Harold]

That's where you're wrong, I am not a real fan of Honeychurch (I'm unsure of how many times I have to post that for people to understand it) In fact I have real . I'm just trying to be fair to him and he seems to be the best replacement for Dalhaus.
If I was going with who I would prefer in the team based on how I rate them I'd have Webb and Smith in over both and Redpath would never return. But on form and in the context of the team those changes wouldn't work.

Sorry Immortal , I am guilty of putting 1 & 1 together and getting 3.
Honey has deserved a crack , but I share your "concerns of him making it".

 

[Pugz89]

Vince with head over the ball heeney crashed into him . Vince got the free.

Hmm, nothing mentioned in the media. Sure sign he'll get off based on that. Deadset, Vince is a flog though. Been done for high contact already this year, then took out Wallis but got off, coz he's a tough SOB and got straight back up, then he takes out Parker this week. Flog actions from the biggest flog at Demonland.

 

[yebiga]

Hawks as good as they are won't win premiship this year.Why no KPF.Sure they have great players but in finals you must have a Franklin Roughead,Hawkins,or even a Cameron. Dogs found out 2007-2010.Hall was 2 years too late.As a long suffering dogs supporter l know this too well.1985 we were a chance Beasley dito 97 Grant.Premierships are built around tall forwards.All teams know this.Gordon knows this thats why Griffen leaving was meant to be.Boyd only gets better by playing.We rolled the dice.Drew a line in the sand whatever.BOYD MUST PLAY.

Can't argue with this
We have invested heavily in this kid and it would be idiotic not to get as many games into him as possible. The games against north and geelong clearly show that we can't beat these taller good teams.

We may even lose a game or two because of it but what's more important - finishing high on the ladder or winning the whole darn thing?

We will make the 8 anyway. Better to Hit the finals after Dropping a few games with a firing T Boyd from 8th position and scare the bejeesus out of everyone then fight for top 4 knowing your just making up the numbers in the finals?

I wonder if Bevo and the boys are having just this kind of review strategy discussion over the break.

 

[bungwahl]

Yep SCG is a terrible ground for multiple tall forwards. Lack of space mean they all get in each other's way.

Unleash Boyd after the bye.

But there is more space at the SCG than Etihad?

 

[immortalmike]

Sorry Immortal , I am guilty of putting 1 & 1 together and getting 3.
Honey has deserved a crack , but I share your "concerns of him making it".

Absolutely. He's short, not great overhead, not overly quick or agile and his skills can be quite rough around the edges.
But he's worked his arse off on all of that and deserves at least until Dahlhaus is back to be given a go.