Preview Changes vs Sydney

[Byrons Firen]

Yep, we've cycled through 35 players already this year. Our more mature depth players haven't stepped up and our existing players within the 22 are down on form en masse.

All of which ='s
Got high hopes for Amon and Clurey is signed up til 2017(i think)
Am really hoping Moore or Young will step up and demand a regular spot but not confident.

 

[bungwahl]

Ryder is a fantastic solo ruckman that can drift forward and kick goals. I agree with the doubts about Lobbe and Redden though. Lobbe should excel this week with ruck support on a small ground where he can contest lots of stoppages. If he again proves to be nothing more than a statue I will be pleading for Hinkley to send him back to the SANFL.

The game's at the SCG, not ANZ.

 

[TimmyD11]

Port Adelaide Round 14 AFL team v Sydney
Thursday 2 July, SCG, 7:20pm

FB: Jack Hombsch, Alipate Carlile, Jarman Impey
HB: Jackson Trengove, Tom Jonas, Jasper Pittard
C: Sam Colquhoun, Matthew Broadbent, Brad Ebert
HF: Robbie Gray, Justin Westhoff, Chad Wingard
FF: Travis Boak, Jay Schulz, Paddy Ryder
Foll: Matthew Lobbe, Hamish Hartlett, Oliver Wines
I/C: Angus Monfries, Brendon Ah Chee, Nathan Krakouer, Andrew Moore

Emergencies: Jake Neade, Paul Stewart, Karl Amon

I have to say I'm disappointed. As much as I have loved Jonas in the past, he's had a very poor season and the fact is doesn't deserve his spot even more so with Franklin and Tippett out and therefore no obvious match up and even more so again with Ryder back in because now we're far too top heavy. We're playing at night in dewy conditions against a team adept in those conditions. Hombsch can take out Goodes when he's in the forward line, Carlile on Reid and Trengove on the resting ruckman. Sydney is 2nd for uncontested possession indicating their ability to spread.

There is literally no reason (other than being in the leadership group) to have Jonas in the side still. Clurey deserved his spot more. But we don't need to bring in another tall, 3 at each end is enough! I don't mind Mitchell going out but not for a ruckmen if it's the sole change, we're way to top heavy especially for the conditions of a night game. I had some hope when Buddy and Tipp were out but now I'm thinking Sydney will use the extra legs to pressure our lumbering talls and run all over us. Geelong burst from the contested situations far too easily and Sydney have a lot of hard running midfielders and half forwards. Ken please fix the team balance! Bring in Neade for Jonas!

 

[x_les_x]

I have to say I'm disappointed. As much as I have loved Jonas in the past, he's had a very poor season and the fact is doesn't deserve his spot even more so with Franklin and Tippett out and therefore no obvious match up and even more so again with Ryder back in because now we're far too top heavy. We're playing at night in dewy conditions against a team adept in those conditions. Hombsch can take out Goodes when he's in the forward line, Carlile on Reid and Trengove on the resting ruckman. Sydney is 2nd for uncontested possession indicating their ability to spread.

There is literally no reason (other than being in the leadership group) to have Jonas in the side still. Clurey deserved his spot more. But we don't need to bring in another tall, 3 at each end is enough! I don't mind Mitchell going out but not for a ruckmen if it's the sole change, we're way to top heavy especially for the conditions of a night game. I had some hope when Buddy and Tipp were out but now I'm thinking Sydney will use the extra legs to pressure our lumbering talls and run all over us. Geelong burst from the contested situations far too easily and Sydney have a lot of hard running midfielders and half forwards. Ken please fix the team balance! Bring in Neade for Jonas!

What?? The last 3 times we've played them the match ups have and has always been
Hombsch - Franklin
Carlile/Trengove - Tippett
Jonas - Goodes (on franklin when hombsch is resting)
His position in the team makes no difference whether tippo and franklin are playing. He will either go to goodes or rohan tonight who has been in good form; good overhead mark and quick further they are roughly the same height.

Good luck with your suggested match ups. Reid is far too athletic for carlile if reid zig zags/back tracks/turns, carile is left for dead too much agility for him. You could argue Carlile has as much as no suitable match up then Jonas for tonight unless he goes to say goodes who is a bit slower
Reid-Hombsch
Trengove-Resting ruck
Carlile- Goodes?
Jonas-Rohan
Impey-Jetta

 

[Byrons Firen]

On current form and the last 10 or so games v $ydney its hard to be optimistic for this game.
Still hope springs eternal. If we keep on serving up the high # of clangers we wont win,
so lets get the basics right and show a bit of fight.

 

[Powerade 08]

Franklin, and the umpires helping Franklin, has been the main difference between the two sides in our recent games.

We'll win if Sydney play their own game, we'll lose by plenty if they shut us down.

Hombsch or Treggers cameo up forward please.

 

[Waspy79]

The game's at the SCG, not ANZ.

I know, surely it is a smaller playing surface than ANZ and every other field in the competition for that matter?

 

[bungwahl]

I know, surely it is a smaller playing surface than ANZ and every other field in the competition for that matter?

Nope, ANZ is the smallest in the competition. The SCG is marginally shorter than others - 3.5m less than Gabba, 7.5m less than the MCG. It's also quite wide, so in overall playing surface area it's actually bigger than the Adelaide Oval.

Using area of an elipse = Pi * A axis * B axis
SCG: 152.5 x 136 = 16,289 sqm roughly
AO: 167 x 124 = 16,264
ANZ: 160 x 118 = 14,828
Etihad: 159.5 x 128.8 = 16,134
MCG: 160 x 141 = 17,718
Gabba: 156 x 138 = 16,908

It's a myth that the SCG is the smallest ground in the competition, somehow it hangs around.

 

[Adz2332]

Nope, ANZ is the smallest in the competition. The SCG is marginally shorter than others - 3.5m less than Gabba, 7.5m less than the MCG. It's also quite wide, so in overall playing surface area it's actually bigger than the Adelaide Oval.

Using area of an elipse = Pi * A axis * B axis
SCG: 152.5 x 136 = 16,289 sqm roughly
AO: 167 x 124 = 16,264
ANZ: 160 x 118 = 14,828
Etihad: 159.5 x 128.8 = 16,134
MCG: 160 x 141 = 17,718
Gabba: 156 x 138 = 16,908

It's a myth that the SCG is the smallest ground in the competition, somehow it hangs around.

never knew that! interesting!

 

[ab56452001]

Yep, we've cycled through 35 players already this year. Our more mature depth players haven't stepped up and our existing players within the 22 are down on form en masse.

Many if not all of us see it that way too , how the coach reacts to continued below par performances is what we disagree on .

 

[Waspy79]

Nope, ANZ is the smallest in the competition. The SCG is marginally shorter than others - 3.5m less than Gabba, 7.5m less than the MCG. It's also quite wide, so in overall playing surface area it's actually bigger than the Adelaide Oval.

Using area of an elipse = Pi * A axis * B axis
SCG: 152.5 x 136 = 16,289 sqm roughly
AO: 167 x 124 = 16,264
ANZ: 160 x 118 = 14,828
Etihad: 159.5 x 128.8 = 16,134
MCG: 160 x 141 = 17,718
Gabba: 156 x 138 = 16,908

It's a myth that the SCG is the smallest ground in the competition, somehow it hangs around.

That's amazing. I've been to games at both grounds and that is a big surprise. Perhaps it's the very open nature of the (usually empty) stands at ANZ that gives it a sense of being quite a big playing surface.

 

[JHF1870]

Nope, ANZ is the smallest in the competition. The SCG is marginally shorter than others - 3.5m less than Gabba, 7.5m less than the MCG. It's also quite wide, so in overall playing surface area it's actually bigger than the Adelaide Oval.

Using area of an elipse = Pi * A axis * B axis
SCG: 152.5 x 136 = 16,289 sqm roughly
AO: 167 x 124 = 16,264
ANZ: 160 x 118 = 14,828
Etihad: 159.5 x 128.8 = 16,134
MCG: 160 x 141 = 17,718
Gabba: 156 x 138 = 16,908

It's a myth that the SCG is the smallest ground in the competition, somehow it hangs around.

Those measurements are largely unimportant. Its the difference between the 50m and the square that make it a small ground. Most teams don't hug the boundary line. From the centre square that difference is significant.

At AO, you have an extra 7m to cover before getting as close to goals as you do sydney.
A kick from CHB can easily penetrate the 50.

 

[bungwahl]

Those measurements are largely unimportant. Its the difference between the 50m and the square that make it a small ground. Most teams don't hug the boundary line. From the centre square that difference is significant.

I think it's vastly overstated though. It's only 7.5 metres shorter than the MCG which means the distance between centre bounce and the goal is only 3.75m shorter going each way. You rarely hear anyone banging on about the Gabba being a small ground, yet it's only 3.5 metres longer than the SCG. Once of the reasons the Swans (usually...) play the SCG so well is because they use the width well.

 

[Forzaport]

Many if not all of us see it that way too , how the coach reacts to continued below par performances is what we disagree on .

We made 5 changes in our previous game and still lost to Carlton. Sometimes you just have to back in your senior players even if they are low on form. Jonas has been backed in, it's time he starts repaying that faith because Clurey really isn't that far behind him IMO.

 

[chiwigi]

Re watching a few games today. We miss Polec and White (playing to their potential) so much it's ridiculous. Their speed and run is what our whole game is based on. They sweep up the errors and have the speed to fill the huge gaps we all know exist when we go forward!

Depressed me tbh!

 

[JHF1870]

We made 5 changes in our previous game and still lost to Carlton. Sometimes you just have to back in your senior players even if they are low on form. Jonas has been backed in, it's time he starts repaying that faith because Clurey really isn't that far behind him IMO.

furthermore; if you're going to drop players for form, best to do it 1-2 at a time max. Its murder to do any more than that. Remembering the goal is to win the game.

 

[finbarr]

Nope, ANZ is the smallest in the competition. The SCG is marginally shorter than others - 3.5m less than Gabba, 7.5m less than the MCG. It's also quite wide, so in overall playing surface area it's actually bigger than the Adelaide Oval.

Using area of an elipse = Pi * A axis * B axis
SCG: 152.5 x 136 = 16,289 sqm roughly
AO: 167 x 124 = 16,264
ANZ: 160 x 118 = 14,828
Etihad: 159.5 x 128.8 = 16,134
MCG: 160 x 141 = 17,718
Gabba: 156 x 138 = 16,908

It's a myth that the SCG is the smallest ground in the competition, somehow it hangs around.

All well and good, but watch where every player lines up at a centre bounce. Pretty much every player on the field is positioned down the middle of the ground, even the wingmen run straight into the contest, which makes for a very congested centre corridor. Sydney has become very adept at working through that traffic. To say the SCG isn't small (end to end, where it matters) is fanciful.

 

[bungwahl]

All well and good, but watch where every player lines up at a centre bounce. Pretty much every player on the field is positioned down the middle of the ground, even the wingmen run straight into the contest, which makes for a very congested centre corridor. Sydney has become very adept at working through that traffic. To say the SCG isn't small (end to end, where it matters) is fanciful.

Yeah fair enough. It's just very rarely that you see teams go straight down the middle - they nearly always play the percentages around the wings unless chasing a game. Anyway, probably a debate for another board!

Enjoy the game!

 

[Quadzilla]

We made 5 changes in our previous game and still lost to Carlton. Sometimes you just have to back in your senior players even if they are low on form. Jonas has been backed in, it's time he starts repaying that faith because Clurey really isn't that far behind him IMO.

Did you read the mid season defender review of Jonas ... he has no chance of being dropped anytime soon

'Often when you don’t get a full pre-season, it’s harder to get going and I think he’s in that boat. In saying that, he can hold his head high, he’s performed reasonably well but we’re looking for a lot more, as he is himself.”– Matthew Nicks'

 

[Forzaport]

Did you read the mid season defender review of Jonas ... he has no chance of being dropped anytime soon

'Often when you don’t get a full pre-season, it’s harder to get going and I think he’s in that boat. In saying that, he can hold his head high, he’s performed reasonably well but we’re looking for a lot more, as he is himself.”– Matthew Nicks'

No I missed that pearler.

 

[ab56452001]

We made 5 changes in our previous game and still lost to Carlton. Sometimes you just have to back in your senior players even if they are low on form. Jonas has been backed in, it's time he starts repaying that faith because Clurey really isn't that far behind him IMO.

Yes , I was surprised that Clurey got sent back , he seemed worth persisting with , certainly wasn't cut as much slack as some others. And not dropping one of the teams 1-18 players for continues bad performances sends a really bad message , a la' Choko .

 

[pafc88]

He cant really come out and say he's played terrible can he

 

[ab56452001]

No I missed that pearler.

My God , I don't reckon I know of 1 fellow supporter who would agree with that reasoning/sentiment. Don't want the club to continue with this PC type of press speak anyway.

 

[Jason K]

Swans are crap, Port's the best, We'll win by 5-6 goals!!!

 

[Andre]

Did you read the mid season defender review of Jonas ... he has no chance of being dropped anytime soon

'Often when you don’t get a full pre-season, it’s harder to get going and I think he’s in that boat. In saying that, he can hold his head high, he’s performed reasonably well but we’re looking for a lot more, as he is himself.”– Matthew Nicks'

The clubs mid-season review is Take a shit on a plate, then tell everyone it's chocolate.

I'd rather they just skip the reviews if they can't be honest.