Chris Newman v Chris Yarran (2011 only)

[Jade]

An idea nicked from the Carlton and Richmond boards, as both seem to be discussing it.

Which player do you believe performed better in 2011, and by extension would be the better player heading into 2012?

The reason I ask so specifically, is because if you wanted to say 'who has been better' than Newman has been far better over the journey, and if you say 'who would you pick' clearly thats Yarran for his youth and potential to be a ten year player.

Statistics are fairly even for 2011, though I'll let you check those out.

Personally, I'm leaning Newman. Admittedly I have not seen EVERY Carlton or Richmond game in 2011 however I find him to be far more poised under pressure (which you could say comes with experience) than Yarran who has been caught a couple times this year with the ball. For a half back, or attacking back if you like - it's vital.

I think a reasonable appropriate comparison would be Rioli and Mitchell. Rioli, the flash player, and Mitchell, the one who has had to continue putting results up before begrudgingly getting respect (not that Rioli or Mitchell or the same type of players though).

So your thoughts?

 

[Jobe Watson]

Newman had a better and more consistent 2011, even with injuries. Yarran had 4 games under 10 possessions which is pretty poor in this day and age. However, Yarran looks as though he could be the better player of the two as early as next year.

Newman is the better player currently but Yarran will soon overtake him.

 

[mickelboy182]

If you asked 18 clubs who they'd take next year, I'd expect 18 clubs to choose Yarran.

 

[Riders of Rohan]

And the poll clearly states that it's only taking into account 2011.

 

[mickelboy182]

And the poll clearly states that it's only taking into account 2011.

Which player do you believe performed better in 2011, and by extension would be the better player heading into 2012?

I myself like to read the entire OP.

Hardly anything in it this year, much of a muchness.

 

[Riders of Rohan]

Haha touche, I didn't see that bit.

 

[Slattery_20]

If you asked 18 clubs who they'd take next year, I'd expect 18 clubs to choose Yarran.

Yep.
Newman isn't quick, doesn't damage with his kicking, doesn't rip a huge number of chop-off marks, just reasonably accountable and competent as you'd expect of anyone given 10 years. Aka, bland.

Yarran, while I don't think he's as quick as some suggest, would be used as a designated spot-up kick for any side and really hurt on the turnover. Serious class, albeit still on a big learning curve.
Newman pips him everywhere you'd expect a 29year old to pip a 21 year old but you can't teach talent.

 

[Del35196]

An idea nicked from the Carlton and Richmond boards, as both seem to be discussing it.

Which player do you believe performed better in 2011, and by extension would be the better player heading into 2012?

So your thoughts?

So do you want us to vote on who was best in 2011, or will be best in 2012? Can I have 2 votes?

 

[MR]

Yep.
Newman isn't quick, doesn't damage with his kicking, doesn't rip a huge number of chop-off marks, just reasonably accountable and competent as you'd expect of anyone given 10 years. Aka, bland.

Yarran, while I don't think he's as quick as some suggest, would be used as a designated spot-up kick for any side and really hurt on the turnover. Serious class, albeit still on a big learning curve.
Newman pips him everywhere you'd expect a 29year old to pip a 21 year old but you can't teach talent.

You seriously under-estimate Newman or most likely, do not watch enough of him. Newman IS quick, he breaks lines and uses his pace regularly to our advantage. Newman is the the best kick in our team, he certainly damages teams with his kick. He doesn't rip a huge number of chop-off marks but neither does Yarran.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

If you asked 18 clubs who they'd take next year, I'd expect 18 clubs to choose Yarran.

That's not the question. The only reason they would all take Yarran is because of age.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

I voted Newman. Yarran was good in 2011, but is a turnover merchant sometimes, and tries to take on too many tacklers often to the detriment of the team. If Yarran can fix his general decision making up, then he will be a better player than Newman.

 

[mickelboy182]

That's not the question. The only reason they would all take Yarran is because of age.

I voted Newman. Yarran was good in 2011, but is a turnover merchant sometimes, and tries to take on too many tacklers often to the detriment of the team. If Yarran can fix his general decision making up, then he will be a better player than Newman.

The OP actually asks who you would take going into 2012, again another poster completely ignoring the OP

Yarran a 'turnover merchant'? Please, that is an exaggeration of comical proportions. I won't disagree with you that he does run himself into trouble from time to time, but his skills are sublime and to call him a turnover merchant is indication that you have not seen enough of him.

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

The OP actually asks who you would take going into 2012, again another poster completely ignoring the OP

Yarran a 'turnover merchant'? Please, that is an exaggeration of comical proportions. I won't disagree with you that he does run himself into trouble from time to time, but his skills are sublime and to call him a turnover merchant is indication that you have not seen enough of him.

And the title also says Based on 2011

 

[La Dispute]

Chris Newman on 2011.

I rate Yarran highly though. One of the silkiest players in the league.

 

[mickelboy182]

And the title also says Based on 2011

And I gave opinions on both in an earlier post... This is why I tend to stray from the polls board, everyone gets sucked in by the barebones poll and everything else falls to the wayside...

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

And I gave opinions on both in an earlier post... This is why I tend to stray from the polls board, everyone gets sucked in by the barebones poll and everything else falls to the wayside...

Without spelling it out for you, so did I. I said Newman was better in 2011, and if Yarran can improve certain aspects of his game, then he would overtake Newman. So before you get on your high horse next time, I recommend that you take the time to re-read posts twice from now on, so you don't jump to false conlcusions and embarrass yourself like you just have.

 

[mickelboy182]

That's not the question. The only reason they would all take Yarran is because of age.

...was your original post, calling me out as if I had said something that was irrelevant to the topic, which it was not.

Not sure how I've embarrassed myself. I'm not patronizing anyone either, I'm simply a bit frustrated that the ambiguous OP has confused everyone.

 

[Squida25]

Newman had a better 2011 but I do expect Yarran to overtake him soon enough.

As a defender Newman wins every day of the week but as a utility type I'd take Yarran, hopefully he gets more midfield time this year.

 

[Jade]

So do you want us to vote on who was best in 2011, or will be best in 2012? Can I have 2 votes?

I'm asking who was better in 2011 so that nobody can use the 'what will be' card as a justification for a point of view.

 

[Slattery_20]

You seriously under-estimate Newman or most likely, do not watch enough of him. Newman IS quick, he breaks lines and uses his pace regularly to our advantage. Newman is the the best kick in our team, he certainly damages teams with his kick. He doesn't rip a huge number of chop-off marks but neither does Yarran.

I don't generally see Newman as one of your more prominent rebounders when I've watched you. More of a link.
To my eye he gets plenty of it, and uses it a lot safer, but no-where near as long (or creatively) as Yarran. And doesn't take men on anywhere near as much.
Basically I don't find him to be anywhere near as damaging as Yarran, although cleaner.

I don't really mark Yarran *all* that harshly for trying shit and it not working. You'd be worried if he was still doing it in 3 years, but he's still learning the job.

On checking: pro-stats has Yarran 3.5 long kicks & 5.1 running bounces; to Newman 5.4 & 0.6 - so I am only half right... Yarran carries it more, Newman kicks it longer.
I'd really like to see the full stats - total metres gained over the year - to get a better idea.

 

[Monkey King]

Yarran a 'turnover merchant'? Please, that is an exaggeration of comical proportions.

It's just wrong mate. Has some of the highest retention rates in the league for blokes who move the ball as far as he does.

Newman's toughness over Yarran's squibbiness...

Not sure what it is with Hawk posters and bullshit about Yarran, but here's another one. Sure Newman plays tougher than Yaz, but calling Yaz a squib anywhere outside the Bay is an indictment on the poster.

 

[Jade]

The OP actually asks who you would take going into 2012, again another poster completely ignoring the OP

No, what I asked was who was better in 2011, and by extension would be the better player going into 2012.

I specifically asked in this fashion so that Yarran't youth could not be used as a justification for choosing him.

He's either a better player right now than Newman, or he's not.

 

[mediumsizered]

No, what I asked was who was better in 2011, and by extension would be the better player going into 2012.

I specifically asked in this fashion so that Yarran't youth could not be used as a justification for choosing him.

He's either a better player right now than Newman, or he's not.

In other words you were setting up a poll so that there was no way Yarran would come out ahead. Comparing a 10 year player to a player, who prior to the commencement of the 2011 season, had played a total of 22 AFL games, none as a half back.

Talk about comparing apples to Chinese gooseberries.

 

[GordonBlue]

I voted Newman. Yarran was good in 2011, but is a turnover merchant sometimes, and tries to take on too many tacklers often to the detriment of the team. If Yarran can fix his general decision making up, then he will be a better player than Newman.

Hi Donk... me again!

Rather than stating how clueless you are I'll just correct you and be done with it... kinda getting boring!

Yarran is instructed to take his opponent on! Yes that would lead him to get tackled sometimes... but more often than not, he breaks through the defence to an open forward line due to his pace...

His decision making is actually sublime... it's his execution can let him down sometimes cause he has lazy kicks sometimes (gen they are the easier kicks)

He is one of the best in the league when it comes to not just kicking to his teammate, but placing the ball for his team-mates to run onto it... soccer through ball style.

His decision making is first class...

 

[Slattery_20]

Hi Donk... me again!

Rather than stating how clueless you are I'll just correct you and be done with it... kinda getting boring!

Yarran is instructed to take his opponent on! Yes that would lead him to get tackled sometimes... but more often than not, he breaks through the defence to an open forward line due to his pace...

His decision making is actually sublime... it's his execution can let him down sometimes cause he has lazy kicks sometimes (gen they are the easier kicks)

He is one of the best in the league when it comes to not just kicking to his teammate, but placing the ball for his team-mates to run onto it... soccer through ball style.

His decision making is first class...

Hardly.
I would call the league's first class decision makers guys like Pendlebury, Mitchell, Dal Santo - even Heathy Scotland - who just do not (seemingly ever) get caught or waste kicks.

Yarran is good but gets caught & makes mistakes way too often to be top-line. Yet.
I think a few Carlton supporters are blurring the lines between what is happening and what (probably) will happen.