Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

[Zouz Kitty]

Is there a sarcasm face somewhere?

 

[Dezert Eagle]

The only thing I don’t understand is that our list in 2006 didn’t prove anything and due to missing the finals the club decided to conduct a full review and Bombers job was the main focus. So compare Chris Scott’s 2018 season with the list that we have and I am astounded that we have not at least treated this year with the same kind of robust assessment. We have traded for a premiership and fallen short of the mark by not even making top 4 this year when the club stated in the pre season that they had a list they were now happy with and declared they expected to contend for a flag. How could you not re-asses Scott’s appointment and wait until the seasons over to properly review the contract extension and the terms of the renegotiation so that the level of expectation meets that of a club who is serious about what they intend to achieve. If Bomber had to face the microscope before delivering a premiership then why is Chris Scott unaccountable and for what reason? I’d just like the club to have taken a stronger stance and shown the supporters that they don’t accept mediocrity.


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[cynical]

Yep. There is a table showing average list ages. Look it up. We are mid field. Hawks are up the top in terms of age.

you mean this one

2018 AFL AGE LADDER

Average age of each club’s playing group

Adelaide — 24.6
Hawthorn — 24.6
Geelong — 24.4
Collingwood — 24.4.
GWS — 24.3
Port Adelaide — 24.2
Essendon — 24.1
Sydney — 24
Melbourne — 24
Fremantle — 23.9
Richmond — 23.9
West Coast — 23.9
Carlton — 23.8
Western Bulldogs — 23.8
St Kilda — 23.6
North Melbourne — 23.5
Brisbane — 23.5
Gold Coast — 23.1

3rd oldest on that list isn't quite mid table

Hawks have a slightly older list than us 11 players over 28 and 17 over 27
Adelaide are a fair bit better off with 11 players over 28 and 12 over 27 (more good players in their prime and not cooked)

Fans can be happy that the Hawks will join us at the bottom of the ladder in a 4-5 years.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Fantastic post mostly, even if I view things differently.

Understand that the mod perspective on this is mostly being tired of the shitposting on the topic. If more people took the time to express themselves reasonably and articulate their views (as you have done) the debate would be much more interesting.

Personally think this “debate” is over already and tiresome for most people outside those on both sides who have the need to point score or prove themselves right.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So 2011 it was Scotts team and his flag,now 8 years at the helm it's not his team and when shit is happening we should all look some where else.Is that what you are saying.

Wow ypo. Talk about misunderstanding something. It is his team, he’s not the reason we’re presently falling short.

So at present he’s not the major problem some here would make out.

 

[Landgraft]

Volcano boy thats a Krakatoa of a post ... Its a lock as the best post I have read for a while

FYI ..I think Buckley departed 360 as he and Robinson just could not work together

There's no question that Robbo caused Bucks to leave... he's a regular guest on Whateley's SEN show.

 

[you pick one]

Wow ypo. Talk about misunderstanding something. It is his team, he’s not the reason we’re presently falling short.

So at present he’s not the major problem some here would make out.

If things are not working then as head coach he should be making them his problem,do you agree with that.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Wow ypo. Talk about misunderstanding something. It is his team, he’s not the reason we’re presently falling short.

So at present he’s not the major problem some here would make out.

Whose problem is it then? Is it the players he didn't see the recruitment and development of or the gameplan he didn't develop?

 

[AM]

Whose problem is it then? Is it the players he didn't see the recruitment and development of or the gameplan he didn't develop?

Do we have to endure another 4 years of this same-old-same-old?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Do we have to endure another 4 years of this same-old-same-old?

Apparently. The club just signed Scott for another 4 years.

 

[cats_09]

Do we have to endure another 4 years of this same-old-same-old?

Yep - and I somehow think that even if/when Scott finishes his coaching career at Geelong, that Part X (or XX - whatever we are up to) will continue to be rehashed for at least the first 12 months with comparisons to our new coach

 

[cats_09]

Apparently. The club just signed Scott for another 4 years.

No they didn't - he was already signed for next year, regardless whether some want to accept that or not.

They then extended his contract by 3 years with his new contract coming into effect at the end if next season, and seeing him through to 2022; if he was re-signed for 4 years he would be here until 2023

 

[David the Cat]

Not your best work, but a fun read nevertheless.

Lol corruption.

Yes....got a laugh out of me as well.

 

[David the Cat]

No they didn't - he was already signed for next year, regardless whether some want to accept that or not.

They then extended his contract by 3 years with his new contract coming into effect at the end if next season, and seeing him through to 2022; if he was re-signed for 4 years he would be here until 2023

Posting accuracies like you have doesn't fit the hysterical agendas around here......you're spoiling the fun.....

 

[AM]

Apparently. The club just signed Scott for another 4 years.

Yep! Great appointment as most of the football purists and genuine supporters are saying.

Four years is long time for you to endure. Why not make a proactive move to barracking for ,say, the Gold Coast, Freo, Carlton where you'd have a cause to whine like a 30 y.o diff. And give us a rest from your repetitive grizzling.

 

[catempire]

If things are not working then as head coach he should be making them his problem,do you agree with that.

It is “his problem” to make the best of what is available to him. What continually fails to be acknowledged in this thread is that Scott has been working against the handicapper since he walked through the door. The AFL system is designed for Geelong to fail since its period of success. That’s why people say he has done well to keep the side in the top 4 for most of his reign. While this fact continues to be denied by the flat earthers it is extremely hard to have a reasonable conversation.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If things are not working then as head coach he should be making them his problem,do you agree with that.

He could ask about what could or should be done or seeking out Lloyd/Cook to see if things could be improved, but to say it’s his “problem” is just too easy.

Personally I think, and have done for a while that we have a problem with assistant coaches. It’s nice to see Ottens around more often of late so maybe we do have a ruck coach now. Knights as mids coach has been questionable, as is Enright as forwards coach. Wouldn’t say our forward play is fantastic.

Next issue is the clear glut we have of midfielders but absolutely scarce for small forwards and lockdown small defenders. Still lack support key forwards and some line breaking (Wojo) speed.

So what do we struggle with? I’d say we struggle when pressure is applied at a high standard we can’t handle it and butcher the footy. I’ll use two games I’ve seen live as an example. The Sydney PF 2016 and the Tigers QF 2017.

In the 2016 PF we used Henderson (underdone) as a forward and what happened was we’d get pressured and would either over handpass the ball under pressure or bomb long. When the Swans did likewise they had Tippett and Franklin to present at the footy and provide a predictable structure, surrounded by McGlynn, Papley and Heeney at their feet as crumbing players. So when we got behind on the scoreboard we sat deeper in defence like Freo did on Saturday and lost all semblance of forward structure. McCarthy and Caddy were nominally our smalls that night and had no influence.

Fast forward to 2017 QF and Taylor is the makeshift forward and got a bath from Rance. When they surged it forward under pressure they were able to retain field position due to the pressure from Butler, Caddy, Castagna and Rioli. Menegola, Parfitt and Parsons just did sweet **** all.

Here we are in 2018 still with the same problem. Wells has tried to redress the lack of key forward (with Vardy and Walker leaving/not good enough) by drafting Buzza and Ratugolea, unfortunately one isn’t playing well enough and the other injured. McCarthy and Gregson are injured. Fogarty, Jones, Miers, Narkle, Parsons not playing well enough to be in the team so we have yet again the same structural flaw going into September.

When the pressure goes up next month I expect we’ll again kick long and if we can’t get a contest out of Henry/Menzel and find someone to effectively crumb the ball I expect quick rebound scores from the opposition.

Secondly, in defence we don’t have many good kicks so again when the pressure goes up we could find ourselves unable to get the ball out of our defensive half. How do we fix that? Do we trade 1-2 and recruit someone in the Gunston, Sicily, Goddard, Hodge vein that’s a good user behind the ball?

This year we’ve seen many array of users criticise the position in the team of Guthrie, Kolo, Murdoch, Thurlow, Henderson, Tuohy, Parsons, Zuthrie, Jones, Fogarty, Gregson etc. I’ve told you personally with a couple of them that based on VFL performances and capability it’s akin to shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.

The defenders in that list are criticised for their disposal ability (which is endemic among them all really) but they aren’t aided by the lack of forward structure ahead of the footy. Even Duncan has had some shocking turnovers in our backhalf. How we’ve got this far is astounding, and the forwards in that list are critiqued for their lack of forward pressure and goals. Well, for a start I’d say Parsons, Fogarty and Narkle are not small forwards but shoehorned there to provide a role and in Parsons and Fogarty’s case offer not a lot in the role.

Jones, Gregson and McCarthy are genuine small forwards. One is permacrocked and the other two provide not much. Yet not a lot of alternatives at the level below.

On the weekend we saw a different approach entirely. Menegola, Ablett, Scooter, Danger and Kelly all rotating as forwards. Will it work in finals who knows, but they appear to not be trying the same failing bunch of small forwards. At least they’re trying something I guess.

As for what can be done. Well, Stephen Wells needs to continue to target via trade/fa/draft some small forwards, key forwards or someone in the Tuohy/Bews mould. Looks like we’re targeting Dahlhaus for one role.
Lloyd and Cook also need to review the footy department as I think Scott is too close to his assistants to identify ones that need to be refreshed with new methods and ideas.

Our true issue is pressure and how we handle it and we can’t handle it as well as others as we don’t have a working game plan to go to when the heat is applied and it’s holes in the sides structure which exacerbate that problem. The catch cry is “dump the loose zone” and “go man on man”. We simply don’t have the skills or structure under pressure to implement it successfully for 4 quarters against good teams.

 

[Partridge]

It is “his problem” to make the best of what is available to him. What continually fails to be acknowledged in this thread is that Scott has been working against the handicapper since he walked through the door. The AFL system is designed for Geelong to fail since its period of success. That’s why people say he has done well to keep the side in the top 4 for most of his reign. While this fact continues to be denied by the flat earthers it is extremely hard to have a reasonable conversation.

For Geelong to fail, or every side? How did Clarkson manage to win a flag, fall down the ladder, then come back and win three more?

 

[Down at K Park]

you mean this one

2018 AFL AGE LADDER

Average age of each club’s playing group

Adelaide — 24.6
Hawthorn — 24.6
Geelong — 24.4
Collingwood — 24.4.
GWS — 24.3
Port Adelaide — 24.2
Essendon — 24.1
Sydney — 24
Melbourne — 24
Fremantle — 23.9
Richmond — 23.9
West Coast — 23.9
Carlton — 23.8
Western Bulldogs — 23.8
St Kilda — 23.6
North Melbourne — 23.5
Brisbane — 23.5
Gold Coast — 23.1

3rd oldest on that list isn't quite mid table

Hawks have a slightly older list than us 11 players over 28 and 17 over 27
Adelaide are a fair bit better off with 11 players over 28 and 12 over 27 (more good players in their prime and not cooked)

Fans can be happy that the Hawks will join us at the bottom of the ladder in a 4-5 years.

I thought we were lower. But look how many teams who aren’t playing finals are top 10. Age brackets don’t mean shit. Average games played is probably a better indicator.

 

[Partridge]

I thought we were lower. But look how many teams who aren’t playing finals are top 10. Age brackets don’t mean shit. Average games played is probably a better indicator.

You didn’t seem to mind them when you were accusing others of making shit up. How dare those facts actually be accurate.

 

[catempire]

For Geelong to fail, or every side? How did Clarkson manage to win a flag, fall down the ladder, then come back and win three more?

Every side.

The 2008 flag team and the 2013-15 team had many of the same high draft pick ingredients (Hosge, Franklin, Roughead, etc.). Exactly what Scott didn’t have access to. It’s not comparable.

 

[cynical]

I thought we were lower. But look how many teams who aren’t playing finals are top 10. Age brackets don’t mean shit. Average games played is probably a better indicator.

Average age doesn't mean that much that's why I mention players over the age of 27. You should do your research a bit better before dismissing something.

Games played also doesn't matter, we have mature agers who wont play 200 games.

 

[Vdubs]

The only thing I don’t understand is that our list in 2006 didn’t prove anything and due to missing the finals the club decided to conduct a full review and Bombers job was the main focus. So compare Chris Scott’s 2018 season with the list that we have and I am astounded that we have not at least treated this year with the same kind of robust assessment. We have traded for a premiership and fallen short of the mark by not even making top 4 this year when the club stated in the pre season that they had a list they were now happy with and declared they expected to contend for a flag. How could you not re-asses Scott’s appointment and wait until the seasons over to properly review the contract extension and the terms of the renegotiation so that the level of expectation meets that of a club who is serious about what they intend to achieve. If Bomber had to face the microscope before delivering a premiership then why is Chris Scott unaccountable and for what reason? I’d just like the club to have taken a stronger stance and shown the supporters that they don’t accept mediocrity.


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You make this assumption that everything was done for a premiership tHis year, otherwise fail. This season already is not a fail.We have had a record number of debutants, and unearthed a new gun utility in Henry, and a gun KF/Ruck in Sav, and we have more than covered for the extensive losses of Lonergan, Mackie, Hendo and Taylor . And Blicavs / Stewart look to be in AA contention.
All year there have been analyses. Do you think they randomly just thought "we've slaughtered Freo, good time to extend his contract'?
I heard CS preseason say the comp was so even that no win was guaranteed, and every win was to be savoured.
Of course all viable teams aim for a flag, but our MC and CS are realistic enough to know the deficits in our bottom end are not salvageable overnight, and they are not reversed by a superelite top end.
I have clung to those emphatic words of his all season, and have been happy that we again have more wins than losses.

 

[cynical]

For Geelong to fail, or every side? How did Clarkson manage to win a flag, fall down the ladder, then come back and win three more?

Doesn't count cos Clarkson had a better list manager and better assistants, better luck with injuries also...

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Not as often as how much Scott has been praised for doing it, especially like it's some sort of incredible achievement. It's absolutely regulation to do that.

Right now, we finished 2nd last year after home and away, and it won't be any higher than 7th this year. Is the list improving?

Complain and Whinge because we are too old and not good good enough and want us to rebuild, then the following season we debut the equal most young kids in the AFL while still competing in the finals and you still sook about it.

If your not happy about the direction, then how can you be unhappy about season 2018 debuting so many young kids?

Hypocritical of the highest order