Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

[FredLeDeux]

The difference in how Scott is viewed comes down to expectations. There are those who are satisfied making finals and getting embarrassed (equalisation, luck, can't win premiership every year) and there are those who think we are underachieving given our list and the way we have improperly managed player turnover, selections and gameday tactics. None of Scott's ditractors are saying he is a bad coach - just that he isn't so great that he cannot be replaced without our club imploding. I'm not sure our current path has the momentum to win a grand final which is why I think we should be taking some risks and making hard calls.

Congratulations, not often you see that many false dichotomies scrambled into a mere 5 lines.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Fun read the last 3 pages. Good to see the Anti Scott dullards have their views dismantled.

Clueless muppets the lot of them

 

[cats_09]

Damian and Luke did the full rebuild journey, while the bottom 3 have done it on the run with varying success after inheriting a club already in a competitive position.

Other clubs have tried to transition without success, Malthouse to Buckley, Ratten to Malthouse, Harvey to Lyon. Pies are only just seeing their success now.

When did Luke Beveridge go through a full rebuild at the Western Bulldogs? He was appointed coach after the 2014 seasons, took them to 6th & a home final in 2015, & then a premiership in 2016 - if that is a full rebuild then it's the shorted rebuild in the history of the AFL. In reality he took over a team that had all the pieces but was fractured and he found a way to unite them - though if you look at recent results they are back to a middle of the road team with just 11 wins last year & 8 this year, so maybe he is going through that rebuild now because he definitely hasn't gone through a rebuild before

 

[cynical]

The difference in how Scott is viewed comes down to expectations. There are those who are satisfied making finals and getting embarrassed (equalisation, luck, can't win premiership every year) and there are those who think we are underachieving given our list and the way we have improperly managed player turnover, selections and gameday tactics. None of Scott's ditractors are saying he is a bad coach - just that he isn't so great that he cannot be replaced without our club imploding. I'm not sure our current path has the momentum to win a grand final which is why I think we should be taking some risks and making hard calls.

I'm saying he is a bad coach.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Thus far, we've dipped this season.

We finished the home and away season last year in 2nd position. We can't finish higher than 7th this year. That's not heading up.

Of course, if we win the next 5 games and win the flag we've absolutely zoomed up.

Mate - this year there is Richmond and theres the rest

You could raffle the other 7 teams for the finishing spots

Geel lost to Dogs and Dons
Hawks got thrashed by the Lions twice
Melb lost to StKilda
Swans lost at home to Suns

All the other 7 finalists have had shock losses

Im happy that Geel have qualified for the finals again - but everyone of the 7 are a mile behind Richmond

 

[dazbroncos]

Mate - this year there is Richmond and theres the rest

You could raffle the other 7 teams for the finishing spots

Geel lost to Dogs and Dons
Hawks got thrashed by the Lions twice
Melb lost to StKilda
Swans lost at home to Suns

All the other 7 finalists have had shock losses

Im happy that Geel have qualified for the finals again - but everyone of the 7 are a mile behind Richmond

Wont disagree that Richmond is the club house leader.... and comfortably ... but we lost to them twice... 18 points and 3 points.

They are gettable. Might not happen and im not suggesting it will - but I know I have close personal affinity to a particular Hooped organisation that was also a Clubhouse leader going right into the GF..... I dont recall exactly what happened next as my therapist has successfully repressed the memory but it didnt end well... so Im told.

GO Catters

 

[OddYears]

Fun read the last 3 pages. Good to see the Anti Scott dullards have their views dismantled.

Clueless muppets the lot of them

love how the Scott lovers always result to petty insults

Fun read the last 3 pages. Good to see the Anti Scott dullards have their views dismantled.

Clueless muppets the lot of them

The most fun is reading petty insults people send from behind a keyboard haha

 

[Art Vandelay_]

love how the Scott lovers always result to petty insults

The most fun is reading petty insults people send from behind a keyboard haha

The coach is the problem rhetoric is lazy, shallow and simple analysis.

It’s really not the case. When you figure it out it’s easier to notice we have problems elsewhere

 

[geelong_crazy26]

You fail to mention that we've also debuted 15 players over the last two years, and often feided younger/less experienced teams than our opposition in that time.

The contract extension was completely expected, and would have been offered by any club given his record—best w/l ratio in VFL/AFL history, missed the finals only once in eight seasons, a premiership, and a list turned over while remaining highly competitive.

And it's good news for you and the other self appointment coaching experts, as you'll get four more seasons to bleat away.

Brilliant post.

What a terrible coach he is with such a record.

I don’t know what these sad people will do once Scott does retire. All they know how to do is whinge.

Maybe in its place we will see the “Guthrie brothers - VI” page 1000000,0000 instead.

 

[Partridge]

You’ve stated this about list turnover a couple of times now, but clearly it is alot deeper than saying “players retire, they can’t play till 40, so obviously there is list turnover”. Well yes, but the outcomes are very varied between clubs despite all being subject to the same situation of list turnover.

Not as often as how much Scott has been praised for doing it, especially like it's some sort of incredible achievement. It's absolutely regulation to do that.

Right now, we finished 2nd last year after home and away, and it won't be any higher than 7th this year. Is the list improving?

 

[OddYears]

The coach is the problem rhetoric is lazy, shallow and simple analysis.

It’s really not the case. When you figure it out it’s easier to notice we have problems elsewhere

Agreed. There’s many problems but calling people clueless muppets because they don’t agree with your pro Scott views is pretty funny.

 

[Partridge]

Agreed. There’s many problems but calling people clueless muppets because they don’t agree with your pro Scott views is pretty funny.

Get used to it.

 

[Partridge]

The difference in how Scott is viewed comes down to expectations. There are those who are satisfied making finals and getting embarrassed (equalisation, luck, can't win premiership every year) and there are those who think we are underachieving given our list and the way we have improperly managed player turnover, selections and gameday tactics. None of Scott's ditractors are saying he is a bad coach - just that he isn't so great that he cannot be replaced without our club imploding. I'm not sure our current path has the momentum to win a grand final which is why I think we should be taking some risks and making hard calls.

For me, at the very least how about waiting until the season is over first before making any decision.

 

[dazbroncos]

Chief loves this thread. The lifeblood of BF activity.

GO Catters

 

[Partridge]

I'm truly surprised that our list has changed since 2011, I thought all our premiership stars would still be running around. Does this kind of thing happen at other clubs?

Unfortunately he hasn't turned the list over well, its still an old list.

I think if we get a well rested and hungry Melbourne first up it could be brutal. Sydney, Hawthorn and GWS wont care that much and those games will likely be closer to 50/50.

Yeah, unfortunately that win on Sunday could give Melbourne some belief. Really don't know what to make of them (Sydney aren't much different). They could get beaten easily, or they could annihilate whoever they face.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Except that team got beat easily in 2010. Someone did something in 2011.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Spot on.

Don’t get the inheritance tag, he didn’t inherit a premiership team he inherited an old declining team that just lost the best midfielder in AFL history and got pulverized in a prelim. Yet he turned it around for s premiership.

He inherited a big mess is all he inherited.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

If you look at a side like Hawthorn, who have had more on-field success in the last 8 years and worse positions in the draft, I'd say they've made better use of their picks. They have far more players who have now become decent, consistent contributors to their side.

Hawthorn 2016 is the equivalent of Geelong 2012. Let’s see how they go over the next several years, clarkson is taking the Scott approach to redeveloping, he has no interest in bottoming our and getting picks

 

[My5t3r10u5]

Ah, the grass is always greener... Having read a few pages of this thread, the phrase "suffer in your jocks" popped in to my head...

Very happy with the appointment and think Chris Scott is a great coach, great ambassador and the right person for the job. Only coach I'd rather have is Clarkson and he ain't available. Otherwise, Scott is the equal or better than any other coach.

 

[Down at K Park]

I'm truly surprised that our list has changed since 2011, I thought all our premiership stars would still be running around. Does this kind of thing happen at other clubs?

Unfortunately he hasn't turned the list over well, its still an old list.

We are mid pack actually in age. But don’t let facts get in the way of your chicken little theorys.

Love how you continually make shit up to suit your agenda though.

 

[BotsMaster]

Chief loves this thread. The lifeblood of BF activity.

GO Catters

Wonder if any other coach has gotten as many threads as Chris Scott

Chief

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Agreed. There’s many problems but calling people clueless muppets because they don’t agree with your pro Scott views is pretty funny.

Scott isn’t the problem, and I have zero time for those trying to convince us otherwise.

 

[Daniel McL]

 

[ATSAM]

Daryn Cresswell. Go back far enough on here and plenty thought he was a huge loss at the time. That was around 2005-2006.

Thanks , yes it was. And I was one who thought that he was a loss but other matters off field determined that he couldn't stay. And obviously something which is described as occurring between him and Scarlett for which Scarlett copped the blame led to them all not wanting him to stay, and scared that he would be senior coach if bomber went supported the latter.

 

[Max Milburn]

I am OUTRAGED! How could they reappoint Scott when they knew Goddard was likely available for the job?

 

[Partridge]

I am OUTRAGED! How could they reappoint Scott when they knew Goddard was likely available for the job?

They were thinking of the pretzels. Always think of the pretzels.