Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

[Nickoo]

Kent Kingsley said late last year that there is a huge disconnect between Scott and the players. Judging by this year, he looks to be correct. Bit silly to be signing him up before the season is finished. Might've been a bit harder to sell if we bomb out of finals again I suppose.

Kent kingsley! Seriously.

Mooney said two years ago there was but according to all reports this is not the case now with Scarlo, knights and Boris taking a greater responsibility.


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[CatTricks]

The melts on here have been quite calm compared to Facebook - multiple "members" have said they won't renew memberships until he is gone and blah blah blah

Makes for a good laugh

That facebook page makes me embarrassed to be a Geelong member most of the time. So many nuffies.. and that's putting it politely.

 

[Sparkle]

They're publicly setting the expectation that the list will be built around him so their demand for a first round pick in return will seem more like a minimum requirement

Actually, thats a very clever ploy. Sends a message WCE about how much we value him. He's not lying though, Dangerwood have only got 3-4 years left, Ablett maybe 2. Kelly's got at leat 8-10 years and is the type of player we can build a midfield around

 

[Partridge]

Not true about Scarlett and Bomber. Scarlett say himself that he didn't want change, he believed that they could win a GF and therefore didn't want a new coach. Also there was a belief that it would be -forgotten his name but was our mid field coach who ended up on non footy charges- who he had a disagreement off field with so he and the other players, out acted out of loyalty to Scarlett- supported Bomber.

Daryn Cresswell. Go back far enough on here and plenty thought he was a huge loss at the time. That was around 2005-2006.

 

[Partridge]

I can't say I am surprised, but I don't know what another option was.

Untried coach with our list at this point? Could easily end up Mick Malthousing or Ross Lyoning our list.

That's true. But here's the following list of previously untried coaches currently still coaching at the same club:

- Damian Hardwick
- Luke Beveridge
- Alistair Clarkson
- John Longmire
- Chris Scott

They all have something in common.

 

[johnnyscarecrow]

Look back a couple of years. Richmond and Collingwood fans were booing their respective coach - Dimma and Buckley. No-one's booing now. Clubs go through patches where wins are hard to come by, yet the Cats have been far more resilient to losses than any other club. Scott attends all Geelong VFL games as far as I know and has an excellent handle on the list available - and on what is required to win games of footy. He has developed in the group something that has held up since the premiership years of never giving in - it is one of the most stirring things for a Geelong supporter to see them fight to the very last, often snatching a win from the jaws of defeat, sometimes falling just short (the Western Bulldogs game comes to mind - even though we lost I was absolutely thrilled by the way we fought that game out to the end - great game).

The culture of a club is vital to the success and inward and outward perception of that club. It is no surprise that Geelong is very much regarded as a destination club with a great culture - I don't think there would be many who would argue that it has the most admired culture of any team. I truly fail to understand the so-called supporters who denigrate the achievements of the past 8 years and who pour scorn on this appointment, which I think is a great one for us.

 

[BORIS332]

Quoting from the Cats website:

"Geelong has agreed to a long term contract extension with senior coach Chris Scott that will see him at the helm until at least the end of the 2022 season.

“Chris has shown himself to be one of the best coaches in the AFL, and we believe the team is in great hands with Chris as our senior coach,” Geelong president Colin Carter said.

“We have seen a great period of change with our list, with only four members of our 2011 premiership team still with us. To have been able to integrate so many new players into our club, play attractive football and keep us consistently in the finals mix has been an exceptional effort. While many people are involved in our football department, Chris has led the coaching group brilliantly.

“The AFL’s equalisation measures are there to force successful clubs down the ladder, so to have come through this period and to remain in contention year in year out has been a credit to Chris and his coaching group.

“We are excited that we have reached this agreement and look forward to Chris continuing his great work with us over the next four years.”

What is everyone's thoughts? I personally don't mind a bit of stability, beats some Carlton teams where the coach changed so often no consistency could be found. Having the coach locked in for the next four seasons allows a realistic plan for the future to develop.

Agree. We’ve been spoiled under CS. He delivered us a premiership and has completely turned over the list, missing finals just once. We’ve dipped and now we’re back on the way up, he deserves to see this period through to another crack at a GF likely in the next four years.

 

[Gydafud]

That's true. But here's the following list of previously untried coaches currently still coaching at the same club:

- Damian Hardwick
- Luke Beveridge
- Alistair Clarkson
- John Longmire
- Chris Scott

They all have something in common.

Damian and Luke did the full rebuild journey, while the bottom 3 have done it on the run with varying success after inheriting a club already in a competitive position.

Other clubs have tried to transition without success, Malthouse to Buckley, Ratten to Malthouse, Harvey to Lyon. Pies are only just seeing their success now.

 

[Nickoo]

There are three clubs and three clubs only that have defied mediocrity; three clubs only that fight every game out; three clubs only that have been up for more than a decade; three clubs only that have won premierships throughout this decade of non mediocrity. All have signed their coach up. All their coaches are sought after elsewhere. Those three clubs are playing finals again.


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[Partridge]

The culture of a club is vital to the success and inward and outward perception of that club. It is no surprise that Geelong is very much regarded as a destination club with a great culture - I don't think there would be many who would argue that it has the most admired culture of any team. I truly fail to understand the so-called supporters who denigrate the achievements of the past 8 years and who pour scorn on this appointment, which I think is a great one for us.

There was an undeniable and magnificent achievement 7 years ago for sure - we won a premiership. I'm not sure what "achievements" there have been since then though. A 3-8 finals record since is hardly an "achievement".

Guess that makes me a so-called supporter. Can't tell you how distraught that makes me.

 

[Partridge]

Agree. We’ve been spoiled under CS. He delivered us a premiership and has completely turned over the list, missing finals just once. We’ve dipped and now we’re back on the way up, he deserves to see this period through to another crack at a GF likely in the next four years.

Thus far, we've dipped this season.

We finished the home and away season last year in 2nd position. We can't finish higher than 7th this year. That's not heading up.

Of course, if we win the next 5 games and win the flag we've absolutely zoomed up.

 

[romeohwho]

When I think of GFC insiders I definitely think of blokes like you on BigFooty

It’s a reasonable point he makes though isn’t it? How stupid do you think the club is-do you really think they would invest in someone who has ‘a huge disconnect between himself and the players”?

 

[lionbear]

I look at Melbourne on Sunday, seriously that could have been post grand final celebrations and all they did was qualify for 7th.

We have been very spoilt, Scott has turned over the list and kept us in it despite of this, he deserves to coach the next 4 years and bear the fruit of his hard work.

 

[OddYears]

It’s a reasonable point he makes though isn’t it? How stupid do you think the club is-do you really think they would invest in someone who has ‘a huge disconnect between himself and the players”?

He's rubbishing what Kingsley said because he 'doesn't think of him as a GFC insider' so no, I don't think he makes a reasonable point. Point is Kingsley is a former GFC player and most likely still has ties to the club. He's not the only one from the club that has made these claims. Even cook has said the relationships between Scott and players was fractured and something they've looked to rectify over the years.

 

[cynical]

It shows they've been reading what gets posted here.

"To have been able to integrate so many new players into our club". It's called list management, and it's mandatory - you have to get rid of players every year. And he's been coach for 8 years. Didn't realise it was a shock that some list turnover occurred.

Be fascinating to see what unfolds in a few weeks time.

I'm truly surprised that our list has changed since 2011, I thought all our premiership stars would still be running around. Does this kind of thing happen at other clubs?

Unfortunately he hasn't turned the list over well, its still an old list.

I think if we get a well rested and hungry Melbourne first up it could be brutal. Sydney, Hawthorn and GWS wont care that much and those games will likely be closer to 50/50.

 

[Turbocat]

Look back a couple of years. Richmond and Collingwood fans were booing their respective coach - Dimma and Buckley. No-one's booing now. Clubs go through patches where wins are hard to come by, yet the Cats have been far more resilient to losses than any other club. Scott attends all Geelong VFL games as far as I know and has an excellent handle on the list available - and on what is required to win games of footy. He has developed in the group something that has held up since the premiership years of never giving in - it is one of the most stirring things for a Geelong supporter to see them fight to the very last, often snatching a win from the jaws of defeat, sometimes falling just short (the Western Bulldogs game comes to mind - even though we lost I was absolutely thrilled by the way we fought that game out to the end - great game).

The culture of a club is vital to the success and inward and outward perception of that club. It is no surprise that Geelong is very much regarded as a destination club with a great culture - I don't think there would be many who would argue that it has the most admired culture of any team. I truly fail to understand the so-called supporters who denigrate the achievements of the past 8 years and who pour scorn on this appointment, which I think is a great one for us.

Good post ... I'm one you could say that perhaps pours scorn... although i do not see it that way.

It was said last night on one of the footy shows that the clubs has balanced the loss staff in recent years in giving CS an extension and that he has improved his embrace of the younger players... all that is good. He may attend VFL when he is able... and he has continually played with players that are obviously not ready to encourage thru put on the list. therefore we are not like StK or Carlton or Freo..we have neither had to cut and shunt the list for picks or fallen into the mire of dregs where you get picks thru being week in week out easybeats.

Having said that ... there is the Greg Chappell factor ..you can do every right and and still keep going out. A lot of what he has achieved has been minimised or let down by the the atrocious finals record from 2012 on. Not just wins and losses.. we have truly played poorly in a lot of the finals ... and the club has almost chosen to ignore the the finals and look at how at he does all the other factors.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I feel like everyone trashing this decision has maybe overlooked the history of the game post free agency. People are looking at the age of the guns and thinking the lack of genuine best in comp category players under 22 is an issue. It isn't. When they retire we will have
A) plenty of cap space
B) a coaching group that despite the haters is seen externally as very competent, and especially important, stable.
C) some kids who will never eat huge cap but are demonstrated role players
D) a couple of young guns probably

That's the perfect conditions for signing a bunch of free agents and trade targets and going around again. in the last decade name a team that has "bottomed out" and without serious trading or a massive afl house intervention has got back into serious top 4 contention.

People saying we shouldn't have traded for the players we did are ignoring the fact that being a non-relevant team in a post free agency world means never getting better. Just ask the teams that have tried to build through the draft. If you're not a destination club you will punished at the trade table and those early picks you took will be requesting trades at the earliest point possible.

It used to be that the only sustainable advantage a team had in footy was coaching, now we can add their brand to that. Rightly it wrongly the cats brand is looking good and the external perception of Scott is a prime reason. In any case Scott is really just the media guy, the assistants is where the real coaching is being done in modern footy. So maybe everyone should just like, chill out our something. Go have a beer.

Spot On. Excellent post!

 

[00VicWard001]

It shows they've been reading what gets posted here.

"To have been able to integrate so many new players into our club". It's called list management, and it's mandatory - you have to get rid of players every year. And he's been coach for 8 years. Didn't realise it was a shock that some list turnover occurred.

Be fascinating to see what unfolds in a few weeks time.

I know you’re saying that what they’re saying is obvious and every club does it, but I’m sure you’re also aware that everything stated is ultimately simplified because it is not possible to be highly nuanced with words alone. This is a truism that occurs through every facet of life. Otherwise we would laugh at every description put in front of us and say “well that’s obvious”. Our capacity as an intelligent species is to see the descriptor and then analyse what it means beyond the surface level.

Most things, you actually need to see it for yourself or participate in it to truly understand it. There are no words that the club is able to state or write down (for public consumption) that can say how very differently they are doing what is essentially the same at every club.

You’ve stated this about list turnover a couple of times now, but clearly it is alot deeper than saying “players retire, they can’t play till 40, so obviously there is list turnover”. Well yes, but the outcomes are very varied between clubs despite all being subject to the same situation of list turnover.

 

[cynical]

Agree. We’ve been spoiled under CS. He delivered us a premiership and has completely turned over the list, missing finals just once. We’ve dipped and now we’re back on the way up, he deserves to see this period through to another crack at a GF likely in the next four years.

I think you'll be in for a rude awakening over the next few years if you think we are on the way up.

Maybe if we get Dahlhaus and find another Kelly in the draft and our perennially injured players come good we could sneak into the top 4. That's assuming the clubs with younger more talented lists dont improve.

North and the Bombers dont require much improvement to knock us out of finals next year.

 

[Strange Cat]

I think you'll be in for a rude awakening over the next few years if you think we are on the way up.

Maybe if we get Dahlhaus and find another Kelly in the draft and our perennially injured players come good we could sneak into the top 4. That's assuming the clubs with younger more talented lists dont improve.

North and the Bombers dont require much improvement to knock us out of finals next year .

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

The difference in how Scott is viewed comes down to expectations. There are those who are satisfied making finals and getting embarrassed (equalisation, luck, can't win premiership every year) and there are those who think we are underachieving given our list and the way we have improperly managed player turnover, selections and gameday tactics. None of Scott's ditractors are saying he is a bad coach - just that he isn't so great that he cannot be replaced without our club imploding. I'm not sure our current path has the momentum to win a grand final which is why I think we should be taking some risks and making hard calls.

 

[00VicWard001]

I think you'll be in for a rude awakening over the next few years if you think we are on the way up.

Maybe if we get Dahlhaus and find another Kelly in the draft and our perennially injured players come good we could sneak into the top 4. That's assuming the clubs with younger more talented lists dont improve.

North and the Bombers dont require much improvement to knock us out of finals next year.

Gold Coast and Brisbane too. Don’t forget the Saints and Bulldogs...

Actually every team. Therein lies the rub. Most of these teams have better lists than us because of their draft pick access. Therefore something must be going right if we constantly challenge for finals and gfs every year despite all these other hungry clubs...

 

[00VicWard001]

The difference in how Scott is viewed comes down to expectations. There are those who are satisfied making finals and getting embarrassed (equalisation, luck, can't win premiership every year) and there are those who think we are underachieving given our list and the way we have improperly managed player turnover, selections and gameday tactics. None of Scott's ditractors are saying he is a bad coach - just that he isn't so great that he cannot be replaced without our club imploding. I'm not sure our current path has the momentum to win a grand final which is why I think we should be taking some risks and making hard calls.

I’m one of those who is satisfied (actually, I absolutely LOVE it) being embarrassed in finals. Just love it!

 

[BUSTER29]

I’m one of those who is satisfied (actually, I absolutely LOVE it) being embarrassed in finals. Just love it!

At least you are out of the closet now.
Well done.

 

[romeohwho]

He's rubbishing what Kingsley said because he 'doesn't think of him as a GFC insider' so no, I don't think he makes a reasonable point. Point is Kingsley is a former GFC player and most likely still has ties to the club. He's not the only one from the club that has made these claims. Even cook has said the relationships between Scott and players was fractured and something they've looked to rectify over the years.

Yep but I still don’t understand why you’d listen to Kingsley, who I have not heard has had any connection to the club for 20 years, and so disregarding all the people who were involved in reappointing Scott-who have heaps to do with the club. It makes no sense to me that’s all.