Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

[geelong_crazy26]

We are mid pack actually in age. But don’t let facts get in the way of your chicken little theorys.

Love how you continually make shit up to suit your agenda though.

Don’t let facts get in the way of an uneducated story mate. The world needs quality fiction

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors with Scott either,but the bit I do see of him in the coaches box and post match pressers leaves me cold,in the box he strikes me more of a supporter than gameday coach focusing more on umpire decisions instead of analyzing what is unfolding and adjusting.It's why at post match press conferences when he is asked specific question as to why or why not this or that happens he often replies with an i'll wait until we review it during the week before i make comment,if the man needs replays to see what's happening,perhaps he needs to hand over the gameday coaching gig.

All of those who are close to him including Leigh Matthews and his old Brisbane team mates say he is a very analytical thinker about the game. Very in depth and detailed which you can see in his defensive structures and discipline

 

[AM]

Not as often as how much Scott has been praised for doing it, especially like it's some sort of incredible achievement. It's absolutely regulation to do that.

Right now, we finished 2nd last year after home and away, and it won't be any higher than 7th this year. Is the list improving?

And he's a good coach as you have attested 'P'. Imagine the predicament we'd be in if we had a poor coach.

 

[steady2]

Great news! One of the best coaches around.

 

[JumpyHolden]

Well no flag for us for the next 4 years.

Have said it before and nothing has changed, Scott is not capable of developing his own team and winning a flag with it.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

For Geelong to fail, or every side? How did Clarkson manage to win a flag, fall down the ladder, then come back and win three more?

The priority pick ( pick no 2 ) for Roughead - i would suggest helped tremendously - plus the insanity of Richmond using pick 4 on Tambling - thus Hawks got Franklin with pick 5

Forget culture and coaches and all the rest of it - thats what i call luck - plus the priority pick system back then was a joke - Hawks also got Luke Hodge with a priority pick

You could argue that jaw breaking Al got a walk up start

 

[volcboy]

Volcano boy thats a Krakatoa of a post ... Its a lock as the best post I have read for a while

FYI ..I think Buckley departed 360 as he and Robinson just could not work together

I'm aware of why Buckley left (it was pretty obvious watching AFL 360 that Buckley had no time for Robinson), but the why matters less than the 'what happened after he left'. Buckley and Collingwood focused more on getting the right mix of people around him and developed a game style that suits their list. They are top 4 with worse injuries and a less talented list than us. Yes, their draw is more favorable, but it is still galling to have to watch as a Geelong supporter.

 

[catempire]

For those that didn’t get the message, the mods are sick of adjudicating petty point scoring in this thread. If you engage in that you can expect a holiday.

Stick to the topic.

 

[Turbocat]

https://www.geelongadvertiser.com.a...i/news-story/95eef2476a9ab108c67a2743782a9d03

One has to admit that Geelong and Chris Scott have done well to be where they are .. considering the number of players they have used ...

 

[you pick one]

It is “his problem” to make the best of what is available to him. What continually fails to be acknowledged in this thread is that Scott has been working against the handicapper since he walked through the door. The AFL system is designed for Geelong to fail since its period of success. That’s why people say he has done well to keep the side in the top 4 for most of his reign. While this fact continues to be denied by the flat earthers it is extremely hard to have a reasonable conversation.

The bolded of cause is the AFL equalization policy and should be a given,there would be nobody on this board that would argue with that fact,the question for me is should we have done better with all those top 4 finishes.
I question simple things like wasting years on Kersten think he'd be something,playing blitz in the ruck after the 3rd man up was outlawed,playing Zuthrie when the body wasn't up to it,Continuing to play Cam Guthrie down back when costing us games with his poor form and disposal,leaving Menzel out for the first final last year, our record after the bye,taking no rucks tho WA,the zone defense against the Hawk.
My honest opinion is we should be sitting comfortable inside the top 4 right now and the reason we are not are decisions made on this side of the boundary line not decisions made on the field.

 

[you pick one]

Every side.

The 2008 flag team and the 2013-15 team had many of the same high draft pick ingredients (Hosge, Franklin, Roughead, etc.). Exactly what Scott didn’t have access to. It’s not comparable.

Buddy was gone after 13.

 

[ATSAM]

I'm aware of why Buckley left (it was pretty obvious watching AFL 360 that Buckley had no time for Robinson), but the why matters less than the 'what happened after he left'. Buckley and Collingwood focused more on getting the right mix of people around him and developed a game style that suits their list. They are top 4 with worse injuries and a less talented list than us. Yes, their draw is more favorable, but it is still galling to have to watch as a Geelong supporter.

And according to one Collingwood Member Gary Hocking has been important as the midfield coach.

 

[you pick one]

I think we might becoming to the end of the Chris Scott thread for the day.

 

[cynical]

It is “his problem” to make the best of what is available to him. What continually fails to be acknowledged in this thread is that Scott has been working against the handicapper since he walked through the door. The AFL system is designed for Geelong to fail since its period of success. That’s why people say he has done well to keep the side in the top 4 for most of his reign. While this fact continues to be denied by the flat earthers it is extremely hard to have a reasonable conversation.

Seems Scott has no say in list management, selection policy or player development

Dear Colin Carter,

Our list is too old, the lack of quality youth coming through is hampering my ability to win a flag. I really think something needs to change cos we seem to be getting the same results every year.

Thanks
Chris Scott

Dear Chris,

As coach your job is to coach the team we select for you each week.

Please do the best you can.

Thanks
Colin Carter

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Violins are out this morning.

The bolded of cause is the AFL equalization policy and should be a given,there would be nobody on this board that would argue with that fact,the question for me is should we have done better with all those top 4 finishes.
I question simple things like wasting years on Kersten think he'd be something,playing blitz in the ruck after the 3rd man up was outlawed,playing Zuthrie when the body wasn't up to it,Continuing to play Cam Guthrie down back when costing us games with his poor form and disposal,leaving Menzel out for the first final last year, our record after the bye,taking no rucks tho WA,the zone defense against the Hawk.
My honest opinion is we should be sitting comfortable inside the top 4 right now and the reason we are not are decisions made in this side of the boundry line not decisions made on the field.

Let’s look at our losses.

Hawthorn. Slightly hamstrung. No Taylor or Henderson. Debuting Henry (who was concussed before HT). Lost Esava as a late out and played after the VFL where Abbott, Smith and Buzza had already played. Leads to no CHF and short down back. Telling in the end as Stanley had to go forward and Blicavs into the ruck at times.

Failed to play a ruck v WCE. Yet butchering the footy for a half (leading to such a deficit) and our 3rd injury are also important factors.

Swans. Openly concede this one is from the coaches box. GHS (from memory) injury didn’t help but changing the Kennedy matchup combined with Stanley giving up in the 4th lost this game.

Bombers. Obliterated from start to finish. Couldn’t handle their very high pressure, nor their speed. Just too poor on the day.

Richmond. Outgunned both times, couldn’t handle the pressure and butchered the footy. Yet somehow we’ve probably got closer than anyone else has to beating them at the G.

Dogs game. Can’t comment really. Can’t say I had a consistently good view of the game or memory of it.

Hawthorn. Another game lost with a spate of skill errors. Yet again butchered the footy when the heat was on. Yet again could only play fast and attacking once some of the sting had gone out of the contest. We cannot effectively play 4 quarters of man on man footy with this group of players yet you need to v Hawthorn.

 

[Partridge]

Buddy was gone after 13.

I'd also ask if they were such insurmountable handicaps how did we manage to win in 2009 and 2011 - after Hawthorn won a premiership, and still had all those high picks.

 

[you pick one]

I'd also ask if they were such insurmountable handicaps how did we manage to win in 2009 and 2011 - after Hawthorn won a premiership, and still had all those high picks.

Truthfully IMO we butched 08 and allowed the Hawks to win one a couple of years early.

 

[dazbroncos]

Well no flag for us for the next 4 years.

Have said it before and nothing has changed, Scott is not capable of developing his own team and winning a flag with it.

Pretty safe prediction there.

4/72 chance of being wrong.

Big limb you went out on there.

GO Catters

 

[catempire]

I'd also ask if they were such insurmountable handicaps how did we manage to win in 2009 and 2011 - after Hawthorn won a premiership, and still had all those high picks.

Nobody has said insurmountable.

 

[you pick one]

Pretty safe prediction there.

4/72 chance of being wrong.

Big limb you went out on there.

GO Catters

 

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[catempire]

I think we might becoming to the end of the Chris Scott thread for the day.

No need for that. We will just deal with those who want to score points and let those who want to discuss do so.

 

[catempire]

The bolded of cause is the AFL equalization policy and should be a given,there would be nobody on this board that would argue with that fact,the question for me is should we have done better with all those top 4 finishes.
I question simple things like wasting years on Kersten think he'd be something,playing blitz in the ruck after the 3rd man up was outlawed,playing Zuthrie when the body wasn't up to it,Continuing to play Cam Guthrie down back when costing us games with his poor form and disposal,leaving Menzel out for the first final last year, our record after the bye,taking no rucks tho WA,the zone defense against the Hawk.
My honest opinion is we should be sitting comfortable inside the top 4 right now and the reason we are not are decisions made on this side of the boundary line not decisions made on the field.

Of course it’s a given, that’s my point. Many fail to acknowledge its impact.

As for the other points, sure, mistakes have been made. But you won’t find a coach who hasn’t.

 

[Turbocat]

Truthfully IMO we butched 08 and allowed the Hawks to win one a couple of years early.

Not sure who it was who said it ... but someone here recently posted that there was high element of mythology to the Shark thing. We had plenty of shots and chances ... same as the Saints in 09.Their misses helped us...but failing to score a goal in the last quarter..they only have themselves to blame We were equally as relevant to the result to the 08... they were good enough to make the most of it when we stumbled.

Its one thing I do admire Haw about ... they dont seem to have had wasted years too often when they are there abouts... In remember 1990 and 1993 .. let alone the ones we lost.. and we seemed to be far more likely to flush our chance than them. They were there to grab 08 early for their own plan ..then they made the most a period where the comp had stepped back in talent due to the admission of the new sides. The also have the history of being a bit more ruthless... If they were us after after 08 and thru 09 and 11..I suspect they would have traded out someone like Bartel etc.. to grab some of those picks from GWS or Suns.. Never forget how they got Hodge.

But we are again diverging the OP.. Scott should be a better coach now than he has been in the past ... the next 4 years has been given as a way to keep us on a path .. with some sort of long vision approach. IF he takes the BCook comments to heart and remembers that the dna of Geelong is to like skilled and attacking football ..then hopefully we all will see some exciting football along with winning football.

 

[catempire]

If they were us after after 08 and thru 09 and 11..I suspect they would have traded out someone like Bartel etc.. to grab some of those picks from GWS or Suns.. Never forget how they got Hodge.

Sheesh Turbo. That’s like saying they would have traded out Hodge after 2013. Bartel was Norm Smith in 2011! They may be ruthless but they’re not stupid.