Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

[mcwilrob]

I reckon Scott is sounding confident. AFL360 tonight.

So what? Has done that before every final and every post-bye game only to look like a complete fool when we perform miserably. Scott feeling confident means F-all...

 

[mcwilrob]

Good luck with Kelly gone and a bunch of players either retiring or moving another year into their 30s.

I'd rather he focus on winning a GF this year from the position he's put them in. At the end of 2014, after having blown another top 4 finish and gone out in straight sets, he also boldly proclaimed that Geelong's best was still better than the grand finalists'. The following year, Geelong did not make finals at all. It's a constant cycle of underselling the here and now, anticipating failure, but then selling hope for the future to keep people buying in. No one at the club or outside it should care about next year right now. Flags don't come often, and now we have another shot at one. Next year we could be bottom four for what anyone knows. We've blown four top 4 finishes under him; let's see if the fifth yields anything more. He's here pumping people up for his sixth look at it since 2011 already, though. At what point should we actually expect a top 4 finish to pay off?

So true. The spotlight that must be on on Scott in terms of this year's finals performances needs to turn into a blistering *blowtorch* if we underperform from a top four position for a fifth time

 

[catempire]

So what? Has done that before every final and every post-bye game only to look like a complete fool when we perform miserably. Scott feeling confident means F-all...

Disagree

 

[Nankervis brothers]

"A couple of things I'm really confident in; I think we'll be a better team next year than we are this year and I think we're really well prepared to have a good crack at it this year.Whether other people choose to define us by what happens over the next month is their choice.
But I think we'll look back and reflect on what we actually get as opposed to spending too much time trying to forecast what's going to happen.
We're trying to live in the moment a little bit more than that."

???

Mixed message from Chris Scott here; on the one hand he speaks of the club 'trying to live in the moment' and yet he can't help but forecast that 'we'll be a better team next year'.

I don't like it. Giving himself a bit of a loophole to sneak through if the club fails to impress (again) this September.
I can almost hear him saying it now: "I always thought we'd play our best football in 2020 as opposed to 2019."

Also, quick reality check Chris: yes, the club will be defined by what happens over the next month; people will 'choose' to do that.

Always enjoy your perceptions on the game, Cursed Cat, but I don't see the problem here.

As is the nature of journalism, the article does not reveal the context of the discussion, i.e., what Scott was aked, and so what he was responding to. He may have been asked how he thought the list looked 'going forward', or whether he was under pressure given past finals. So, in other words, he may have been invited to respond in this manner.

And even if this wasn't the context, his statement seems fine. He is basically saying 'we are in the running this year'. No coach is going to offer more than that going into a finals series. No AFL coach would even go so far as saying 'I think we're a great chance to win the flag.' If he did show that level of confidence he would be derided on here for his arrogance. So he can't win there. He also states that we are in good shape for next year and he thinks the side will improve. Every single coach will say this unless they are beginning a rebuild, which he isn't. So all pretty standard so far. Then he says that the club will asses this year's finals performance 'on what we actually get', that is, once the team's final performances have actually occurred. He infers that how the performances are assessed over the next month is a matter for the club; others will asses it in their own way. This seems a statement of fact, really. The bit about being 'in the moment' is just the kind of pseudo-zen-corporate-gibberish that every club rolls out. It's cause for celebration coming out of Buckley's mouth, and cause for laceration when coming out of Scott's.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Always enjoy your perceptions on the game, Cursed Cat, but I don't see the problem here.

As is the nature of journalism, the article does not reveal the context of the discussion, i.e., what Scott was aked, and so what he was responding to. He may have been asked how he thought the list looked 'going forward', or whether he was under pressure given past finals. So, in other words, he may have been invited to respond in this manner.

And even if this wasn't the context, his statement seems fine. He is basically saying 'we are in the running this year'. No coach is going to offer more than that going into a finals series. No AFL coach would even go so far as saying 'I think we're a great chance to win the flag.' If he did show that level of confidence he would be derided on here for his arrogance. So he can't win there. He also states that we are in good shape for next year and he thinks the side will improve. Every single coach will say this unless they are beginning a rebuild, which he isn't. So all pretty standard so far. Then he says that the club will asses this year's finals performance 'on what we actually get', that is, once the team's final performances have actually occurred. He infers that how the performances are assessed over the next month is a matter for the club; others will asses it in their own way. This seems a statement of fact, really. The bit about being 'in the moment' is just the kind of pseudo-zen-corporate-gibberish that every club rolls out. It's cause for celebration coming out of Buckley's mouth, and cause for laceration when coming out of Scott's.

Willing to concede in relation to the context of Scott's response, Nankervis Bros; however even if invited to speculate as to the health of the list in 2020 I still wasn't particularly comfortable with his response - sounded suspiciously like a rationalisation to me; not very on-script for an AFL coach to be looking beyond 'this week', particularly when there is a final to be played - and to be looking as far ahead as next year is quite an unusual bit of forecasting at this time of year.

The bit about 'being in the moment' rang particularly hollow given CS already has an eye on the team's prospects in 2020.

Still; you are right that perhaps he was cornered into his response by an unusually cunning journalist.

As to comparing reactions if Buckley had said the same thing; personally I barely pay any attention to what an opposition coach says so it is moot (to me) really - the words of the head coach of the club I support is all I really care about, and if I'd heard Buckley speculating as to his team's improvement in 2020 I'm not even sure how I'd react.

I'm not particularly strident on this matter, but the quotes did give me pause.

Anyway; if we win on Friday who cares what was said in the lead-up, if we lose though the last thing I want to hear about from Chris Scott is how the club is in great shape for 2020 ..

 

[Nankervis brothers]

Willing to concede in relation to the context of Scott's response, Nankervis Bros; however even if invited to speculate as to the health of the list in 2020 I still wasn't particularly comfortable with his response - sounded suspiciously like a rationalisation to me; not very on-script for an AFL coach to be looking beyond 'this week', particularly when there is a final to be played - and to be looking as far ahead as next year is quite an unusual bit of forecasting at this time of year.

The bit about 'being in the moment' rang particularly hollow given CS already has an eye on the team's prospects in 2020.

Still; you are right that perhaps he was cornered into his response by an unusually cunning journalist.

As to comparing reactions if Buckley had said the same thing; personally I barely pay any attention to what an opposition coach says so it is moot (to me) really - the words of the head coach of the club I support is all I really care about, and if I'd heard Buckley speculating as to his team's improvement in 2020 I'm not even sure how I'd react.

I'm not particularly strident on this matter, but the quotes did give me pause.

Anyway; if we win on Friday who cares what was said in the lead-up, if we lose though the last thing I want to hear about from Chris Scott is how the club is in great shape for 2020 ..

Fair enough. And it's true, winning will render it all moot. A coach's words take on greater significance, or are at least analysed more, with a loss. I think that is what is happening here with Scott. Because of recent defeats in finals, a hell of a lot is being read in to everything he says (probably too much).

But yeah, he does need a better showing in this finals series. That said, it can be ambiguous what 'a better finals series' is. We could say it is 'a good performance in a PF', or '2 wins = pass', etc. Both are reasonable pass marks. But perhaps we lose to COLL by a kick in a classic, and perhaps we then lose to WCE in a thriller playing with multiple in-game injuries. My point is, each game has to be judged on its merits, and we can't know any of that at this point. But then it is a zero-sum game based on results, so he will be feeling the pressure this September.

 

[Micksy]

Just taking it two seasons at a time.

 

[The_Todd07]

This place is going to be fun if Grundy is the reason we lose tonight

 

[Turbocat]

Haven’t heard this tone from him before. He was very relaxed, not spinning, but dripping with confidence.

If he is dripping with confidence now he is on drugs... what does that Beta blockers?

Just play the way you have all year , dont make changes ..all that mantra.. and we get to here and CS loves the big call. Which is fine.. IF IT WORKS.

 

[foxdog50]

Chris Scott..... Chris Scott.... Chris Scott...... Chris Scott.... I can't get his name out of my head



All my mind is saying is .... Chris Scott..... Chris Scott...... I honestly can't get it out of my head.....

 

[Whit3y]

Has Dazbroncos arrived at Bermuda yet?

 

[Hamingja]

TK and Chris Scott to Freo

 

[Duskfire]

I am normally a fan, but it’s just not working. How often have we made top 4 and not capitalised? Four? It’s just... I am sick of not being able to enjoy a season because I know regardless of how well we do, it won’t amoint to anything.

 

[cynical]

game over for the pro Scott crowd

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

game over for the pro Scott crowd

Nah, they will blame it on our list and what an amazing job Scott has done to get us this far...

 

[Biggy_Boy]

game over for the pro Scott crowd

I doubt it. Much as we keep seeing the same old crap from Scott, we'll be seeing the same old excuses from them here after this.

 

[cynical]

I doubt it. Much as we keep saying the same old crap from Scott, we'll be seeing the same old excuses from them here after this.

i know they are very slow to catch on but there is way too much evidence to show that Scott is a complete dud

I think even Dr Gero would think dropping Stanley and playing Blicavs in the ruck is dumb

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Sack the useless coward, pathetic coach when it matters most, won’t go anywhere with him at the helm.

What’s the record now?

 

[foxdog50]

Sack the useless coward, pathetic coach when it matters most, won’t go anywhere with him at the helm.

What’s the record now?

Can I quote that as I love this post... Chris Scott you are a joke, from when you did a late change with Stanley out and not recognise ruck.... There would be more then 60% of cat's fans don't like you as coach..... I'm sorry Scott you have to go....
You will say in your press conference that "Ah I don't think Grundy had much of a influence too. "

 

[Daitro]

I don't ask for much, all I wanted is for the team that finished at the top of the ladder of a national competition to show up to the finals looking like they know how to play the game in which they are employed to play.

Scott and his staff clearly have player motivational issues. Different players each year, same deer in the headlights, shit-the-bed first quarters. You can see the thin veneer of confidence within the player group melt away in minutes.

A coaches job is partly to fill his players with belief they can win a premiership. Since 2011 he hasn't even got close.

 

[dazbroncos]

Has Dazbroncos arrived at Bermuda yet?

Riding my bike now.

Go Catters

 

[son of meto]

Chris 'Straight Sets' Scott. Finals record since 2012...3/10.

 

[Willo_]

I'm done, club isn't getting a single dollar from me until he is gone

7 bloody finals series in a row we've seen the same meek predictable shit, the message either isn't getting through, or is wrong.
Time to move on while we have a chance at success

 

[STPer18]

I swallowed my damn vomit when I saw Dangerfield taking ruck contests around the ground and Taylor pushed forward. These moves don't work you fool, stop making them!

 

[TomsBulgingDisc]

In a nut shell...

When your coach is emotionally disregulated and barracking/cheering/fist pumping during a match, he's not coaching. It's not passion, it's pathetic.