Coach Collingwood and Buckley - time to move on

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PetterdHoisted

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Can anyone describe the differences between the tactics of the successful Collingwood side under Malthouse (2010) and the nearly successful Pies in 2018 ??

My view is that they essentially played the same style, kicking it around the boundary line, forcing a contest and then hoping to win the ball from the midfield group and kick it around the boundary. Use of an low skilled, combative 2nd KPF/ruckman. But that might not be correct. The 2010 Pies used this to great effect, but can the same be said for the 2018 side ? Or is it my perception ?

I ask because - IMO - the only time Buckley had any success was when he copied a style he deliberately dismantled upon taking charge. He spent years tinkering with a good side making it worse, then went back to 2010 style - only then to start tinkering again making it worse.

The highlighted section above - is what I think drove Buckley - people that weren't like him on and off field - were moved on, taking away the spirit of the side and driving a wedge in the playing group. I think the end of last year and the "mixed messages" from the club highlighted this still exists....
the difference was (not to mention RFC again, but..), Bucks had a copy of 'a year in yellow and black' under his arm. You are right, the revolution wasn't so much on-field but off-field, with connectivity, humour, vulnerability etc. emphasized.

I just want to know what happened between the bin-slamming exhilaration of the win in Perth last year when they seemed totally together as a club, and a few months later when they essentially self-immolated during the trade period.
 

momentbymoment

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Eddie out to pasture and the pies languishing in the bottom four feels like a win win.
Seems to me the karma gods are having a far greater influence on the state of play than Bucks’ is.
 

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Pies need more than Bucks to be moved on. Draft pick order as at the end of Round 7:-

Richmond:- 13, 14, 23, 31, 45, 49.
Collingwood:- 38, 56, 74, 92, 110, 128.
it’s just highlighting how bad Collingwood situation is ...

theyll lose all those picks too getting Nick Daicos.... and go into deficit in 22...

whilst GWS have the pies first pick.
So Gold Rocks are you going to admonish your fellow Richmond posters for making these points?
Tell them how they'll be okay cause they have Wright in charge
 

Gold Rocks

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So Gold Rocks are you going to admonish your fellow Richmond posters for making these points?
Tell them how they'll be okay cause they have Wright in charge
The threads about Buckley not daicos or our drafts picks but maybe you can somehow educate them about slyly trolling off topic if you like being an expert. End of the day they will trade in points like every club does so its a waste of time repeating pies points deficit 1000 times a day to try make ya self feel good about yourself just because you hate another team. Some people are desperate to barrack for another team to loose there first round pick in 2022 because of points deficit which wont happen so It's strange, distasteful and over the top after a while.
 
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Run n Spread

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Can anyone describe the differences between the tactics of the successful Collingwood side under Malthouse (2010) and the nearly successful Pies in 2018 ??

My view is that they essentially played the same style, kicking it around the boundary line, forcing a contest and then hoping to win the ball from the midfield group and kick it around the boundary. Use of an low skilled, combative 2nd KPF/ruckman. But that might not be correct. The 2010 Pies used this to great effect, but can the same be said for the 2018 side ? Or is it my perception ?

I ask because - IMO - the only time Buckley had any success was when he copied a style he deliberately dismantled upon taking charge. He spent years tinkering with a good side making it worse, then went back to 2010 style - only then to start tinkering again making it worse.

The highlighted section above - is what I think drove Buckley - people that weren't like him on and off field - were moved on, taking away the spirit of the side and driving a wedge in the playing group. I think the end of last year and the "mixed messages" from the club highlighted this still exists....
2010. Essentially full court press. Get it forward hold it in by blokes attacking the ball carrier the rest zoned back and intercepted any hack kick.
2018 Drop a loose back as an intercepter. If the oppo play their loose push two fowards up the wing. Quick ball movement off a contest or turnover hand ball or run through than chaos ball into fowards with open space to spread say Richmond's defence. It was all about the run n spread.
2019-now 6 6 6 kind of fecked it up as well as small rotations. Now we defend the corridor giving up the chip on the boundary rely on pressure to create a turnover and counter attack.
Problem is now too slow to guard the space and with the space if teams catch fire dogs early in Rd 1 or lions late there is no way to stop it.
If anything the game plan is too complicated. Just have a structure of best players in best positions and a few tactics and go from there.
In answer to your second point yes he did but don't know what was going on behind the scenes. A lot of coaches do this and play favourites thou.
 

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Didn't Bucks spurn North in the early 90s? Would be a lovely bit of symmetry if they were the team that ultimately saw him get the flick.
Can see it happening too, Cunnington looks to (finally) be in good shape and their forward line is starting to click. Pitchforks at dawn
 

beema limapep

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Didn't Bucks spurn North in the early 90s? Would be a lovely bit of symmetry if they were the team that ultimately saw him get the flick.
Can see it happening too, Cunnington looks to (finally) be in good shape and their forward line is starting to click. Pitchforks at dawn
yep.
 

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Way past assumptions here. No chance of making the 8 this year. In fact if Collingwood are better than 2 and 11 heading into the bye, it’s a minor miracle.

If Buckley had of taken up coaching the Kangaroos instead of Collingwood at the time, then you can bet your bottom dollar he would have been sacked a long ago.

Instead nepotism ran high at Collingwood and no one has had the balls to make the call to get rid of him since.

As can be seen what happened in the last year on a range of things, noticeably the list management side of things, it’s a purely amateurish run organisation and the muppets in charge are just as likely to extend his contract by 3 years rather than do the right thing and get in a proper coach.
Its gonna be so awesomely poetic watching Jaidyn and Atu end his career on the weekend.
 

beema limapep

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Didn't Bucks spurn North in the early 90s? Would be a lovely bit of symmetry if they were the team that ultimately saw him get the flick.

"When they were trying to woo Nathan Buckley to North Melbourne, they went to meet Nathan Buckley in his hotel room," Darce said.

"(North Melbourne coach) Denis Pagan, his version of the story is that - and I find this hard to believe - was lying on his bed eating an apple, and didn't get up from his bed to shake Denis Pagan's hand.
 

timokane

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Buckley to be sacked if pies lose to north which is likely like to see graham wright run the show till end of season. Then 2022 ive got 5 to coach the pies they are Micheal Voss, Gary Ayres, Al Clarkson, Justin Leppich or Hickey not too sure on hickey but the othe 4 most definately.
Buckley to be gone this time next week if north beat the pies by any margin too all it needs to be is 1 point and hes gone.
 

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Buckley to be sacked if pies lose to north which is likely like to see graham wright run the show till end of season. Then 2022 ive got 5 to coach the pies they are Micheal Voss, Gary Ayres, Al Clarkson, Justin Leppich or Hickey not too sure on hickey but the othe 4 most definately.
Buckley to be gone this time next week if north beat the pies by any margin too all it needs to be is 1 point and hes gone.
Hickey has turned his career around this year but to go from journeyman ruck to Collingwood coach is some escalation.
 

Blue1980

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Buckley to be sacked if pies lose to north which is likely like to see graham wright run the show till end of season. Then 2022 ive got 5 to coach the pies they are Micheal Voss, Gary Ayres, Al Clarkson, Justin Leppich or Hickey not too sure on hickey but the othe 4 most definately.
Buckley to be gone this time next week if north beat the pies by any margin too all it needs to be is 1 point and hes gone.
I think bucks would just resign at that point.
 

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