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I hope Essendon will be forced to forfeit the season, we will finish bottom with 2 wins and get the number one draft pick.
One can wonder if there will be an effective 2020 draft at all. Lower levels of football – with less television revenue – will find it much more difficult to play games unless they can play in a prime time television slot that does not overlap with the AFL. This would either mean playing Sunday nights post-twilight, or playing all games midweek (Tuesday or Wednesday twilight), neither of which would be supported by players nor would gain the exposure young players need for effective evaluation by AFL clubs. How such a system would work for school and junior footballers I do not know.
If you're right then the AFL's viability is threatened. Clubs can't expect members to continue to forfeit their fees for entire seasons while paying for subscription TV as well.
I actually think that only the New South Wales and Queensland clubs will have their viability threatened.

The NRL is already planning to re-introduce crowds before the 2020 season is over. If the NRL succeeds and there are no COVID-19 outbreaks in New South Wales or Queensland – at present plausible – this will certainly mean 1½ NRL seasons with crowds whilst the AFL is playing behind closed doors, and more likely , or even possibly such seasons. Under such a scenario, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney and Greater Western Sydney would likely lose their local supporters to NRL clubs, or if they do not care for rugby league to another rival sport. It is possible that, with the AFL playing semi-permanently or even permanently without crowds the NRL might reverse its recent decline in attendances. Past history shows that increasing league crowds, as observed between 1986 and 1994, are highly deleterious to the viability of AFL in those states. It was after all when the then-NSWRL was seeing its greatest growth in attendances that Brisbane and Sydney stood at their more precarious off and on the field. However, in those states where the NRL failed to establish during the Super League War, many AFL seasons without fans would have no deleterious effects if television revenue skyrockets.

I cannot see the AFL making an exemption to allow fans in interstate stadiums during subsequent seasons unless it be safe for crowds to attend in Victoria when those seasons open. This is implausible for the 2021 season, unlikely for 2022 and highly uncertain for seasons beyond 2022. Allowing fans only in areas successful at containing coronavirus would completely alter the balance of power amongst AFL clubs. West Coast and Adelaide might be handed an AFL diarchy lasting a generation or more if their stadiums can be filled with their fans at the same time as Victorian games are still played behind closed doors.
This season is truly cooked. Totally and utterly comprised. Let's just call it what it is. A series of exhibition games.
More accurately, a series of experimental games for a new way of recalibrating football to maximise absolutely the ease of televising the sport during prime time.

I have emphasised that any thought that spectators will be back in stadiums for the 2021 season is a pipedream, and it is likely just a dream that anyone outside essential personnel will be going to an AFL game in 2022. The way COVID-19 is spreading within Melbourne now, the day when AFL stadiums’ seats are again occupied could be much later than 2023 or even not occur at all.
It’ll be interesting to see if we ever find out the source of McKenna’s infection.

He’s not done much to reverse the dopey Irishman stereotype though.
The way COVID is spreading again in Melbourne, I do not think we will.
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It was likely from one of the northwestern local government areas shaded on the map, but it is most definitely untraced community transmission. Even if we know where Conor McKenna ordinarily lives, we might not know the original source of his infection.
 

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Another ridiculous lunchbox epidemiologist

Whatever the outcome is will be determined by DHHS on the information provided
You’re resorting to name calling again?

As I said to you before it doesn’t take an epidemiologist to know a few basics of how diseases spread, and how to follow common sense precautions to help ensure all of our wellbeing.

Been into any hospital wards lately? If you have you’d have seen a lot of people who are not “epidemiologists” (docs, nurses, allied health) diligently washing their hand before and after they do basically anything. You know what you wouldn’t see? Nurses spitting. Wonder why that would be?

The Department can and will make what determinations they see fit. Won’t stop me calling McKenna and Essendon FC out for spitting during a global pandemic.

PS. You can take your “only epidemiologists can have an opinion” and stick it up you nostril.
 
One can wonder if there will be an effective 2020 draft at all. Lower levels of football – with less television revenue – will find it much more difficult to play games unless they can play in a prime time television slot that does not overlap with the AFL. This would either mean playing Sunday nights post-twilight, or playing all games midweek (Tuesday or Wednesday twilight), neither of which would be supported by players nor would gain the exposure young players need for effective evaluation by AFL clubs. How such a system would work for school and junior footballers I do not know.
I actually think that only the New South Wales and Queensland clubs will have their viability threatened.

The NRL is already planning to re-introduce crowds before the 2020 season is over. If the NRL succeeds and there are no COVID-19 outbreaks in New South Wales or Queensland – at present plausible – this will certainly mean 1½ NRL seasons with crowds whilst the AFL is playing behind closed doors, and more likely , or even possibly such seasons. Under such a scenario, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney and Greater Western Sydney would likely lose their local supporters to NRL clubs, or if they do not care for rugby league to another rival sport. It is possible that, with the AFL playing semi-permanently or even permanently without crowds the NRL might reverse its recent decline in attendances. Past history shows that increasing league crowds, as observed between 1986 and 1994, are highly deleterious to the viability of AFL in those states. It was after all when the then-NSWRL was seeing its greatest growth in attendances that Brisbane and Sydney stood at their more precarious off and on the field. However, in those states where the NRL failed to establish during the Super League War, many AFL seasons without fans would have no deleterious effects if television revenue skyrockets.

I cannot see the AFL making an exemption to allow fans in interstate stadiums during subsequent seasons unless it be safe for crowds to attend in Victoria when those seasons open. This is implausible for the 2021 season, unlikely for 2022 and highly uncertain for seasons beyond 2022. Allowing fans only in areas successful at containing coronavirus would completely alter the balance of power amongst AFL clubs. West Coast and Adelaide might be handed an AFL diarchy lasting a generation or more if their stadiums can be filled with their fans at the same time as Victorian games are still played behind closed doors.More accurately, a series of experimental games for a new way of recalibrating football to maximise absolutely the ease of televising the sport during prime time.

I have emphasised that any thought that spectators will be back in stadiums for the 2021 season is a pipedream, and it is likely just a dream that anyone outside essential personnel will be going to an AFL game in 2022. The way COVID-19 is spreading within Melbourne now, the day when AFL stadiums’ seats are again occupied could be much later than 2023 or even not occur at all.
The way COVID is spreading again in Melbourne, I do not think we will.
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It was likely from one of the northwestern local government areas shaded on the map, but it is most definitely untraced community transmission. Even if we know where Conor McKenna ordinarily lives, we might not know the original source of his infection.
LOL fans will back in 2021 at all venues, they already are in Adelaide and Brisbane.

Andrews might be a prick but he won't let clubs die by banning fans for 2021 which would be political suicide.
 
LOL fans will back in 2021 at all venues, they already are in Adelaide and Brisbane.

Andrews might be a prick but he won't let clubs die by banning fans for 2021 which would be political suicide.

Do you really think that the Victorian Government or the majority of the voting public really care significantly if fans are held back from Football from longer of its required due to upswings in cases.
 
...they already are in Adelaide and Brisbane
I hadn’t heard that from any source or had it mentioned to me by my family, but I will admit I can read very erratically, often devouring one article or site than moving onto another completely unrelated one, then back to another unrelated one. A few weeks ago I observed that Media Bias/Fact Check said many sources I had read for years were “questionable”.
Do you really think that the Victorian Government or the majority of the voting public really care significantly if fans are held back from Football from longer of its [than is] required due to upswings in cases.
Of course I do not.

In fact, I think (or is it just my imagination) that even football fans will get used to not being allowed to attend matches before the AFL allows spectators in again, at least in Victoria. The past few days’ rise in Victorian cases – with more to come judging by community transmission rates – have certainly had the effect of making me think this way, I will confess without grudges.
 
I hadn’t heard that from any source or had it mentioned to me by my family, but I will admit I can read very erratically. A few weeks ago I observed that Media Bias/Fact Check (separating the title’s component words) said many sources I had read for years were “questionable”.
Of course I do not.

In fact, I think (or is it just my imagination) that even football fans will get used to not being allowed to attend matches before the AFL allows spectators in again, at least in Victoria. The past few days’ rise in Victorian cases – with more to come judging by community transmission rates – have certainly had an effect in making me think this way, I will confess without grudges.

The fact that you think Victoria's 20 cases a day for the last few days means that Victoria is going to be pandemic land for the next 3 years while the rest of the country is covid free demonstrates you should avoid thinking and certainly avoid sharing your thoughts
 
Connor would have touched his nose then touched the ball at training then all the players touched the ball and touched their face...more players will test positive soon.
Amazing that the people he actually shares a house with have tested negative already
 
A little further info for those unaware of the true stats regarding testing reliability.

Extract from the US Library of Medicine, National Institute of Health.

"Rapid and accurate detection of COVID-19 is crucial to control outbreaks in the community and in hospitals [14]. Current diagnostic tests for coronavirus include reverse-transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR), real‐time RT-PCR (rRT‐PCR), and reverse transcription loop‐mediated isothermal amplification (RT‐LAMP) [15,16]. RT-LAMP has similar sensitivity to rRT-PCR, is highly specific and is used to detect MERS-CoV [17,18]. According to current diagnostic criteria founded by the China National Health Commission, laboratory examinations, including nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swab tests, have become a standard assessment for diagnosis of COVID-19 infection. To identify patients earlier, two one-step quantitative RT-PCR (qRT-PCR) assays were developed to detect two different regions (ORF1b and N) of the SARS-CoV-2 genome [19]. Three novel RT-PCR assays targeting the RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp)/helicase (Hel), spike (S), and nucleocapsid (N) genes of SARS-CoV-2 were developed. Among the three novel assays, the COVID-19-RdRp/Hel assay had the lowest limit of detection in vitro; highly sensitive and specific assays may help to improve the laboratory diagnosis of COVID-19 [20]. The SARS-CoV E gene assay was more sensitive than the RdRp gene assay combined with the one-step RT-PCR system [21]. The E gene PCR was sufficient to diagnose a SARS-CoV-2 infection but the RdRp protocol was recommended to confirm a positive result [22,23]. The overall positive rate of RT-PCR detection of SARS-CoV-2 infection in 4880 cases from one hospital in Wuhan was 38% [24]. The positive rate of PCR for oropharyngeal swabs is not very high: only 53.3% of COVID-19-confirmed patients had positive oral swabs tests [25]. In a series of 51 patients with confirmed COVID-19 infection, 71% patients were RT-PCR positive at the first time of testing of throat swab or sputum samples [26]. The RT-PCR results usually become positive after several days (2-8 days) [27]."

"COVID-19 infection should be diagnosed with typical chest computerized tomography (CT) characteristics despite negative RT-PCR results [33]. Of 1014 patients, 59% had positive RT-PCR results, and 88% had positive chest CT scans [34]."


Testing is vital, but there are reasons authorities insist on quarantine periods etc despite initial negative tests. I hope for the AFL industry's sake that isn't temporarily "adjusted" by any authority as they begin testing EFC players over the next couple of days, desperate for every possible player to be declared available.
Of course within that testing reliability mechanism lays the slight possibility of a false positive! That would be.... well.... let's say, a relief!!
 
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I don't mind Lloydy, but does he not realise that his own club got themselves into this mess? Yet again??
I don't think he'll be getting much sympathy from non-Essendon folk.

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Unsurprisingly has a major blind spot with Essendon. Still remember him telling Caro he was worried about how she would look after all the information came out during the ASADA saga.
 

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Theres big assumptions that Conor picked it up from outside. Surely youd think he'd have spent more time with other players than anyone else outside his household. If another player is positive that calls into question the testing.
 
I don't mind Lloydy, but does he not realise that his own club got themselves into this mess? Yet again??
I don't think he'll be getting much sympathy from non-Essendon folk.

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Yeah the club deleoberatly went out of its way to catch corona could have happened at any club lols you make me laugh. you might as blame the pandemic that has killed millions of people on Essendon while your at it
 
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Yeah the club deleoberatly went out of its way to catch corona could have happened at any club lols you make me laugh. you might as blame the pandemic that has killed millions of people on Essendon while your at it
It's self-evident over the past decade that there is a culture of negligence at EFC.

Why is it always Essendon being exposed to these issues? If they weren't the AFL's golden child, they'd be facing de-registration.
 
Yeah the club deleoberatly went out of its way to catch corona could have happened at any club lols you make me laugh. you might as blame the pandemic that has killed millions of people on Essendon while your at it
If it's determined that he broke the rules or didn't take necessary steps to avoid getting the virus, then you should take responsibility.
 

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One can wonder if there will be an effective 2020 draft at all. Lower levels of football – with less television revenue – will find it much more difficult to play games unless they can play in a prime time television slot that does not overlap with the AFL. This would either mean playing Sunday nights post-twilight, or playing all games midweek (Tuesday or Wednesday twilight), neither of which would be supported by players nor would gain the exposure young players need for effective evaluation by AFL clubs. How such a system would work for school and junior footballers I do not know.
I actually think that only the New South Wales and Queensland clubs will have their viability threatened.

The NRL is already planning to re-introduce crowds before the 2020 season is over. If the NRL succeeds and there are no COVID-19 outbreaks in New South Wales or Queensland – at present plausible – this will certainly mean 1½ NRL seasons with crowds whilst the AFL is playing behind closed doors, and more likely , or even possibly such seasons. Under such a scenario, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney and Greater Western Sydney would likely lose their local supporters to NRL clubs, or if they do not care for rugby league to another rival sport. It is possible that, with the AFL playing semi-permanently or even permanently without crowds the NRL might reverse its recent decline in attendances. Past history shows that increasing league crowds, as observed between 1986 and 1994, are highly deleterious to the viability of AFL in those states. It was after all when the then-NSWRL was seeing its greatest growth in attendances that Brisbane and Sydney stood at their more precarious off and on the field. However, in those states where the NRL failed to establish during the Super League War, many AFL seasons without fans would have no deleterious effects if television revenue skyrockets.

I cannot see the AFL making an exemption to allow fans in interstate stadiums during subsequent seasons unless it be safe for crowds to attend in Victoria when those seasons open. This is implausible for the 2021 season, unlikely for 2022 and highly uncertain for seasons beyond 2022. Allowing fans only in areas successful at containing coronavirus would completely alter the balance of power amongst AFL clubs. West Coast and Adelaide might be handed an AFL diarchy lasting a generation or more if their stadiums can be filled with their fans at the same time as Victorian games are still played behind closed doors.More accurately, a series of experimental games for a new way of recalibrating football to maximise absolutely the ease of televising the sport during prime time.

I have emphasised that any thought that spectators will be back in stadiums for the 2021 season is a pipedream, and it is likely just a dream that anyone outside essential personnel will be going to an AFL game in 2022. The way COVID-19 is spreading within Melbourne now, the day when AFL stadiums’ seats are again occupied could be much later than 2023 or even not occur at all.
The way COVID is spreading again in Melbourne, I do not think we will.
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It was likely from one of the northwestern local government areas shaded on the map, but it is most definitely untraced community transmission. Even if we know where Conor McKenna ordinarily lives, we might not know the original source of his infection.

where is cedar meats? And where do their workers live? Start there and work outwards
 
It's self-evident over the past decade that there is a culture of negligence at EFC.

Why is it always Essendon being exposed to these issues? If they weren't the AFL's golden child, they'd be facing de-registration.

Coming from a club a that allowed players take drugs you weren’t called West Coke Eagles for nothing
 
If it's determined that he broke the rules or didn't take necessary steps to avoid getting the virus, then you should take responsibility.
I’m shocked to be sitting here comes to mind
 
McLachlan needs to go because of the way he has handled this season. Even though difficult he gets paid big bucks to make it right.The AFL are a law unto themselves. Sex scandals at Headquarters, aflx, afwl,silence over controversial issues and now abhorrent responses to this incident with Essendon. AFL spin is all you get from this untrustworthy person. The game needs to go back to the fans who are the real custodians of the game.Stop the corporate wank and McLachlan can fook right off.
The management of this season has been fantastic. The league still has the flexibility to make it all work. The weekend's events justify that.
Even if it was the worst case scenario, being Essendon playing interstate, no one at risk would have even gotten to the airport thanks to the same day travel arrangements. There is only ONE club that has been compromised by this, and an infection in one state would not have compromised another, as it may have with usual travel for games.
Thanks to shortened quarters, postponed games will be able to be rescheduled with minimum effect on integrity. The hard restrictions appear to have been enforced by the league as numerous players have been suspended for even minor infringements.
Unless you think the correct call was just to give up on the season, the AFL has done an exemplary job of bringing football back safely.
 

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