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List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

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List Changes - 2025
  • Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
  • Jayden Hunt announces retirement
  • Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
  • Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
  • Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
  • List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)
  • Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
  • Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
  • Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

Key Offseason Dates
Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft
 
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Monocle said:
And most of them had been in the system about 5 or 6 years before they made an impact, and four of them changed Clubs to get the opportunity before they became effective # 1 ruckmen.

Love to know which competent ruckman your have in mind that we get for a third rounder to help us next year ... because if they are competent ... then I'm onboard, so pray tell who is the silver bullet to fix our ruck woes.

Truth is that we either pay up in draft capital, in the next few trade periods to get ourselves a decent ruckman, or we take the long road and take a kid and nurture and develop them for 4-5 years until they become competent.


And a note to the AFL:

Would be handy to know before the trade period, just what changes to the ruck rules are being made for season 2026, so that all Clubs could plan accordingly.
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My point was more that we need to exercise some patience, as I'm pretty sure nearly all those rucks I listed were called spuds in the early stages of their careers (and I know crows fans aren't too big on O'Brien still).

There is no silver bullet, but we also don't need to jeopardise our draft board by chasing rucks and should be using 2nd Rd picks on greater needs in midfield and medium fwds rather than rucks.

CDT might be a Jackson type in which case I don't mind us using pick 1 on him, but reality is a top ruckman shouldn't be costing you more than a 3rd Rd pick.
 
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amazingjoshy said:
There's so much evidence thats its just not that important as a position, but nothing will stop some arguing till they are blue in the face thats its our number 1 issue
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Our issue is the opposition rucks dominate against us.

Doesnt matter if our ruckman is good or bad, as long as he doesnt allow the oppo ruckman to be dominant its all good.
 

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oak79 said:
Pretty sure they were up in arms with the McKay compo.

It's not a conspiracy against us, it's just a stupid system.

There should be no compo (but WC are entitled as other clubs got it).
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If no compo then the receiving club should give up fair payment to the club losing the player.

Making it much harder for the receiving club (usually one in the 8) giving up nothing.
 
amazingjoshy said:
There's so much evidence thats its just not that important as a position, but nothing will stop some arguing till they are blue in the face thats its our number 1 issue
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You could put prime Cox in this side and maybe we could have won a couple more games. Yet we will see another 100 pages in here on which second string ruckman we should recruit that’s going to fix all our issues. When he doesn’t it will be that he’s no good and we need a better one.
We already have our future ruck on our list he just needs to develop.
 
CountryLad said:
You could put prime Cox in this side and maybe we could have won a couple more games. Yet we will see another 100 pages in here on which second string ruckman we should recruit that’s going to fix all our issues. When he doesn’t it will be that he’s no good and we need a better one.
We already have our future ruck on our list he just needs to develop.
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agree we already have our future ruck in A Reid but he is 4 years away from holding his own.
We need a competent ruck that can halve a contest and compete at a reasonable level.
We need our midfield improved dramatically through the draft and trade period and that will improve our competitiveness next year and as our under 22 players develop over the next few years.
 
The whole rucks are overrated chat is so silly. They’re the same as any other position.

But because there is only one ruck on the ground it gets over examined. You can get away with having a spud chb if your other backs are ok. Ditto a peanut forward. But there’s only one ruck.

And before you say we didn’t win the flag with an elite ruck….. without Naitanui in ‘18 we don’t win the flag. Then We also had the best back up going round in Scott Lycett who was essentially a number 1 ruck. What we’d give for a 25 year old Lycett now.

Where I think it gets confused is that. Rucks are important in the sense they can’t be total spuds. Which is where we currently sit. Have a star, that’s awesome. Have a competitor, you’ll do ok. Have a spud ruck that can’t win hitouts or bring physicality…… well the your ****ed.
 

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flamingEMBERS said:
The whole rucks are overrated chat is so silly. They’re the same as any other position.

But because there is only one ruck on the ground it gets over examined.

And before you say we didn’t win the flag with an elite ruck….. without Naitanui in ‘18 we don’t win the flag. Then We also had the best back up going round in Scott Lycett who was essentially a number 1 ruck. What we’d give for a 25 year old Lycett now.

Where I think it gets confused is that. Rucks are important in the sense they can’t be total spuds. Which is where we currently sit. Have a star, that’s awesome. Have a competitor, you’ll do ok. Have a serious spud setup well your ****ed.
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Rucks are valuable, it's just you can get good ones for picks 40+ historically and they take many years to reach potential.

With 4-5 list spots already dedicated to rucks we have to be patient or if we do chase a 'ready-made' player not over spend.
 
Rucks are very challenging to pick, that's why you rarely see them at the top of the draft board. There's a reason for the ruck merry-go-round - some clubs get lucky with their speculative ruck picks and get multiples, some get unlucky and get none. It's a crapshoot because they're the last players to develop (and thus you don't take them early).

We've had two Legend level rucks - Naitanui was pick 2, sure (but a super rare case of a certain ruck success), but Cox was the second round of the rookie draft.

Barnett sounded like a good bet for a developing ruck, but he's not moved on since he was drafted. I reckon that's as much bad luck as bad drafting with a young ruck.
 
I was at the Eagles W game tonight through work as a sponsor thing, and I was next to Harley and Oscar Allen. Most of the men’s side were there.


Harley’s actions and behaviour don’t strike me as that of a dude who is about to want out.

Purely anecdotal. I have no proof other than vibes and what I saw.


Oscar Allen was there too… he was a little subdued but I did see him get keen when the girls got going.


Proof of encounter below.
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oak79 said:
Pretty sure they were up in arms with the McKay compo.

It's not a conspiracy against us, it's just a stupid system.

There should be no compo (but WC are entitled as other clubs got it).
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I wouldn't say "up in arms", i would use the word bemused to describe their reaction about the McKay compo at the time. It wasn't totally unnoticed or swept under the rug, but they didn't really care, they weren't criticising the clubs involved for gaming the system and nobody over there was calling for the system to be changed as a result.

As opposed to what i would describe as apocalyptic aggro from them at the possibility of us getting Pick 2 this year. So, Yes it is a conspiracy against us. And they didn't care at all about the ridiculousness of St Kilda getting Pick 7 compo for Josh Battle last year.
 

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Deepthroat said:
I'd take best offer, whatever that is.

For mine Liam is somewhat of a one trick pony in terms of the position he plays. He has one of the smallest "burst" windows in the team (but to be fair it does create great highlights). He is not a 4 qtr contributor, can go missing in games regularly.

I could give you t least 30 "smalls" that make a better contribution to their side on a week to week basis.

For mine we already have a strong Ryan replacement on the list in Hutchinson. His pre-WC life he was a small forward with solid overhead capability and scoreboard history. We have since tried to reverse engineer him into a mid and it isn't working. At least he will now have a tank to be a 4 qtr Ryan replacement.

We also have Champion, Brockman on the list with likely Walley and Williams to come in the draft.

He will hold back development and growth.
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I would not be releasing Ryan unless the deal is weighted in our favour.

During games this year, Liam has been played as the main focal point in attack - with crap results.

Once Shanahan, Waterman and A Reid/J Williams are all in the side, Ryan will be back to his best role.
 
amazingjoshy said:
There's so much evidence thats its just not that important as a position, but nothing will stop some arguing till they are blue in the face thats its our number 1 issue
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We have lots of issues. A competent ruck that doesn't see the opposition ruckman be best on ground each week coupled with some better clearance mids would resolve a fair few issues. We know we can get clearance mids through the draft, and through development of our kids. We don't have a ruck proposect, other than Archer Reid, who has never been a ruck. That's why we need to find one unless we put all our eggs in the Archer Reid bucket that may or may not come to fruition in four years time.

amazingjoshy said:
Look i don't necessarily disagree with this, but its just so overated on here as an issue

Last years GF the Swans won the hitouts 42-20 and Brodie Grundy had 22 touches and was probably their best player

The premiership ruckman was Darcy Fort
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Brisbane also had a midfield of Lachie Neale, Will Ashcroft, Josh Dunkley, Jarrod Berry, Cam Rayner, Zac Bailey.
 
Mop said:
I was at the Eagles W game tonight through work as a sponsor thing, and I was next to Harley and Oscar Allen. Most of the men’s side were there.


Harley’s actions and behaviour don’t strike me as that of a dude who is about to want out.

Purely anecdotal. I have no proof other than vibes and what I saw.


Oscar Allen was there too… he was a little subdued but I did see him get keen when the girls got going.


Proof of encounter below.
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There's something wrong with your face, you should see a doctor pronto,
 
southcoast said:
AFL good at making decisions in a timely manner and your 'Ruck' example is one.

Gov's retirement decision finalised after mid-season draft and Nik Cox (Essendon) who appeared at the same hearing won't know his long term future until after trade period concludes.

Amateur hour at it's best.
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McGovern was probably happy to medically retire after he has done everything in football. Premiership, all Australian, kicking winning goal after siren

Nik Cox desperately want to have an afl career so I'm sure he is taking the wait and see approach
 
Happy Mastenator said:
Kind of pissed we didn't take a flyer on Dodson in the draft given he went at pick 53. Would have meant potentially missing out on Grego or Gross, but you can't get them all.

www.saints.com.au

Ruck yes! Dodson to debut

St Kilda unveils its ninth debutant of the 2025 season.
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If the saint land TDK and Marshall stays..Dodson ain't gonna play for 5 yrs. Gettable.
 
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