List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[eaglevision]

And what if Darcy Cameron gets injured we are back to Matt Flynn.
Dumbest idea ever!

From the bloke who can’t even form sentences! Flynn would be fine as a back up ruck but don’t worry, according to you we can just draft an AFL ready 18yo one!

 

[Priddis Is Done]

From the bloke who can’t even form sentences! Flynn would be fine as a back up ruck but don’t worry, according to you we can just draft an AFL ready 18yo one!

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Bailey had the best running vertical in his draft year, not quite what Nic achieved but he's probably either top or top 2 for leap playing at the moment.

Both listed at 201cm Nic running vert 102cm Bailey 94cm, standing veriticle 74cm to 66cm or something like that. He's pretty close and you can see him leap over opponents in the centre bounce a lot. The timing and control is way off but the centre bounce nowadays is a completely different thing to when Nic played where half the ruckman don't even jump and there seems to be much less advantage to being more athletic in the air. All about standing your ground and being a fat arse now.

Edit: Not being a ruckman its hard to say but I'm guessing Nic had a bit of a reach advantage on Bailey despite being the same hight and the extra bit of leap combined to give him just that little bit of extra operating room in that rarefied air above your opponents reach, which probably helps a lot. Extra split second of working time maybe.

Nic Nats vertical was not 102cm by time Bailey debuted in 2020. I remember the Bailey debut game in 2020 and they actually said on the call that Bailey had a higher vertical than Nic Nat (in 2020 not in draft year).

 

[PremiershipNo4]

From the bloke who can’t even form sentences! Flynn would be fine as a back up ruck but don’t worry, according to you we can just draft an AFL ready 18yo one!

Flynn would be fine

 

[Obeanie1]

Cameron wants to play for WCE. Pies want a FWD/RUCK and a pick. They are happy with Oscar Steene’s development to be primary ruck next year. Likely to be a matter of what we are prepared to pay.

So B Willaims or J Williams and a pick.

The pick will be gobbled up on bid matching so its a points negotiation.

Would be happy for Bailey to go.

Jack is a better kick on goal.

 

[Obeanie1]

The list curs / movements are starting to take shape with a couple of minor curve balls, not entirely unexpected.

1. Gov - a year maybe two early. Thanks for the memories Gov.
2. Oscar - looks more and more likely he is off to the Lions.
3. Sheed - retired

4. One of B or J Williams gets traded, is Bailey getting an extended run to boost his value?

Others who may likely go as has been covered

5. Jamieson
6. Petruccelle
7. Rawlingson


Then we have calls on older statesmen

8. Hunt
9. Cole
10. Cripps

We hit the draft with picks 1, 2, 14, 19.

Or we see what a pick 2 split can offer for who wants the unicorn super ruck kid CDT

Trade in a ruck.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Ummmm...Flynn is the issue as a main ruck.

BW is a 2nd ruck/forward. He's perfectly suited to leaping over the tired main ruck/oppo 2nd ruck.

We need a main Ruck who at bare minimum, is really strong and can take the body, with endurance.
Wear the oppo first Ruck down.

BW goal kicking is starting to look better. He's fine. Flynn is the problem.


Also, how quick is Brock for a tall guy! I was at the Carton game and there was a passage where Durdin snuck off and was a good 20m in front. The ball got kicked in and Brock passed him to fist.

 

[ArdentEagle]

The list curs / movements are starting to take shape with a couple of minor curve balls, not entirely unexpected.

1. Gov - a year maybe two early. Thanks for the memories Gov.
2. Oscar - looks more and more likely he is off to the Lions.
3. Sheed - retired

4. One of B or J Williams gets traded, is Bailey getting an extended run to boost his value?

Others who may likely go as has been covered

5. Jamieson
6. Petruccelle
7. Rawlingson


Then we have calls on older statesmen

8. Hunt
9. Cole
10. Cripps

We hit the draft with picks 1, 2, 14, 19.

Or we see what a pick 2 split can offer for who wants the unicorn super ruck kid CDT

Trade in a ruck.

I'd say the we now keep both B+J, I mean, it says it all really.

Beyond my juvenile mind, with Gov now gone...No real need to trade either unless something silly gets offered.

 

[Godfather32]

So B Willaims or J Williams and a pick.

The pick will be gobbled up on bid matching so its a points negotiation.

Would be happy for Bailey to go.

Jack is a better kick on goal.

Wonder if we could get Jamo to shave his head and con Collingwood into taking him instead of either Williams, Mayne/Mundy style

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The list curs / movements are starting to take shape with a couple of minor curve balls, not entirely unexpected.

1. Gov - a year maybe two early. Thanks for the memories Gov.
2. Oscar - looks more and more likely he is off to the Lions.
3. Sheed - retired

4. One of B or J Williams gets traded, is Bailey getting an extended run to boost his value?

Others who may likely go as has been covered

5. Jamieson
6. Petruccelle
7. Rawlingson


Then we have calls on older statesmen

8. Hunt
9. Cole
10. Cripps

We hit the draft with picks 1, 2, 14, 19.

Or we see what a pick 2 split can offer for who wants the unicorn super ruck kid CDT

Trade in a ruck.

Harry Barnett being left off is insane. Getting rid of Allen only to trade B or J Williams is a absurd path for us to take. The point of Allen going is to give J.Williams more chances not to trade him off as well. All up we will lose 3 KPP players at a minimum from the list so thinking trading more off makes no sense

Next season will be the best time to clear the decks fully with regards to Cole/Cripps/Hunt I think as draft is too shallow for that

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So B Willaims or J Williams and a pick.

The pick will be gobbled up on bid matching so its a points negotiation.

Would be happy for Bailey to go.

Jack is a better kick on goal.

Best way to accelerate a rebuild is to trade a 21 year old best 22 player for a 30 year old....

Suggesting we move either of the 2 Williams on for Cameron is absurd. If we are at that level of desperation then give Lloyd Meek bloody 1.5 mll or something. Anything but giving up younger players to get older ones in should be the way to go

 

[WCE777]

The list curs / movements are starting to take shape with a couple of minor curve balls, not entirely unexpected.

1. Gov - a year maybe two early. Thanks for the memories Gov.
2. Oscar - looks more and more likely he is off to the Lions.
3. Sheed - retired

4. One of B or J Williams gets traded, is Bailey getting an extended run to boost his value?

Others who may likely go as has been covered

5. Jamieson
6. Petruccelle
7. Rawlingson


Then we have calls on older statesmen

8. Hunt
9. Cole
10. Cripps

We hit the draft with picks 1, 2, 14, 19.

Or we see what a pick 2 split can offer for who wants the unicorn super ruck kid CDT

Trade in a ruck.

BW would only be traded in a D Cameron trade, JW is a non negotiable required player.
To use 6 picks in the draft, 1, 2, 14 and 3 NGA/FS picks we need a minimum of 8 list spots opened up because we picked up 2 MSD players.
Can agree all of Gov, Oscar, Sheed.(3)
Can agree all of Jamieson, Petch, Rawlinson.(6)
If trade for Cameron comes off we keep Flynn as depth and delist/pay out Barnett for another list spot.(7)

Depending on trade targets can see WC needing at least another couple of list spots, re are WC contemplating replacing Gov with a ready to play prospect?
Best thing for our list is our KPD depth is shite, we have Edwards, Brock and Bazzo if he gets a short term extension.
Replace Gov with a trade, Busslinger, won't need an extra list spot as he takes Gov spot.

If WC are looking to replace/delist Chesser and replace with Erasmus/Phillips.(8)
Cripps, Hunt are the next to go.(10)

Cole is best 22 and will sign a 2-3 year extension.
6 draftees and 3 trades in and 1 trade out(8) list spots plus McCarthy and Newton MSD means 10 spots need to open.
This would be the maximum we would want to go young and inexperienced imo, leaving only 8 players 27 and over and over 100 games experience.

 

[LewyBroome]

Flynn is comical. That’s it. Bin asap

 

[Obeanie1]

BW would only be traded in a D Cameron trade, JW is a non negotiable required player.
To use 6 picks in the draft, 1, 2, 14 and 3 NGA/FS picks we need a minimum of 8 list spots opened up because we picked up 2 MSD players.
Can agree all of Gov, Oscar, Sheed.(3)
Can agree all of Jamieson, Petch, Rawlinson.(6)
If trade for Cameron comes off we keep Flynn as depth and delist/pay out Barnett for another list spot.(7)

Depending on trade targets can see WC needing at least another couple of list spots, re are WC contemplating replacing Gov with a ready to play prospect?
Best thing for our list is our KPD depth is shite, we have Edwards, Brock and Bazzo if he gets a short term extension.
Replace Gov with a trade, Busslinger, won't need an extra list spot as he takes Gov spot.

If WC are looking to replace/delist Chesser and replace with Erasmus/Phillips.(8)
Cripps, Hunt are the next to go.(10)

Cole is best 22 and will sign a 2-3 year extension.
6 draftees and 3 trades in and 1 trade out(8) list spots plus McCarthy and Newton MSD means 10 spots need to open.
This would be the maximum we would want to go young and inexperienced imo, leaving only 8 players 27 and over and over 100 games experience.

This shows why we need and should get two additional rookie spots to assist the rebuild.

It means McCarthy and Newton, or someone more deserving, gets a chance to develop and help the rebuild.

It likely means we retain Cole and Hunt for a couple more years.

Hoping we get that assistance as a minimum

 

[Cuzz09]

152 days until the draft

 

[Obeanie1]

I'd say the we now keep both B+J, I mean, it says it all really.

Beyond my juvenile mind, with Gov now gone...No real need to trade either unless something silly gets offered.

Offered or taken.

We will use every means to improve as we should.

Blight at Richmond is a good example. 23 and out of contract at Richmond with a list full of kids picked early competing for the same spot. DFA.

Now with Gov retired if fit Blight would play round 1 2026 and as a min provide quality depth.

Tsatas is intriguing as is Sheldrick and Phillips.

Tsatas knock is his kicking. His inside ball getting and handball link game very good. Does that suit Minn's gameplan?

Phillips 100% inside and can defend. His job to get the ground ball to others.

Sheldrick the same.

Mid to late 2nd round picks that slide anyway would be the max price for any of Tsatas or Sheldrick and Phillips not even that uncontracted.

 

[WCErevival]

Just reading about us having to pay 90% of Govs contract next year. Who would be our top 5 earners in 2026 if Allen and Sheed are no longer with us?

Waterman and Yeo definitely although Yeo's new contract would be lower than his peak earnings. Same with Kelly. Ryan? Maybe Cripps?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Just reading about us having to pay 90% of Govs contract next year. Who would be our top 5 earners in 2026 if Allen and Sheed are no longer with us?

Waterman and Yeo definitely although Yeo's new contract would be lower than his peak earnings. Same with Kelly. Ryan? Maybe Cripps?

You've misunderstood the article. Gov will get 100% of his contract owed and 90% of it will be outside the cap. If Gov is on 700 next year only 70K of it would be in the cap.

Technically frees up anywhere from 600-700K depending what you think Gov was on.

Waterman is thought to be on a deal of about 1 million per year, Yeo 750. Kelly's deal is reportedly backhanded so he would be on 1.1-1.2m this year and likely about 600k next year (guess). Ryan would be 600-700K I reckon.


2026 highest paid players
1 Waterman
2 Darcy Cameron
3 Liam Baker
4 Liam Duggan
5 Elliot Yeo

 

[WCErevival]

You've misunderstood the article. Gove will get 100% of his contract owed and 90% of it will be outside the cap. If Gov is on 700 next year only 70K of it would be in the cap.

Technically frees up anywhere from 600-700K depending what you think Gov was on.

Waterman is thought to be on a deal of about 1 million per year, Yeo 750. Kelly's deal is reportedly backhanded so he would be on 1.1-1.2m this year and likely about 600k next year (guess). Ryan would be 600-700K I reckon.


2026 highest paid players
1 Waterman
2 Darcy Cameron
3 Liam Baker
4 Liam Duggan
5 Elliot Yeo

Ah. Even better for us then. I forgot about Baker too.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Just reading about us having to pay 90% of Govs contract next year. Who would be our top 5 earners in 2026 if Allen and Sheed are no longer with us?

Waterman and Yeo definitely although Yeo's new contract would be lower than his peak earnings. Same with Kelly. Ryan? Maybe Cripps?

You've misunderstood the article. Gove will get 100% of his contract owed and 90% of it will be outside the cap. If Gov is on 700 next year only 70K of it would be in the cap.

Technically frees up anywhere from 600-700K depending what you think Gov was on.

Waterman is thought to be on a deal of about 1 million per year, Yeo 750. Kelly's deal is reportedly backhanded so he would be on 1.1-1.2m this year and likely about 600k next year (guess). Ryan would be 600-700K I reckon.


2026 highest paid players
1 Waterman
2 Darcy Cameron
3 Liam Baker
4 Liam Duggan
5 Elliot Yeo

Where is this article?

 

[Farang83150]

Imagine having a ruck that could give your mids a chance at getting their hands on the ball first.

 

[Mop]

Probably poor taste given its just official today, but we genuinely might be struggling to hit our cap floor given this



Almost need to overpay a few just to hit it

Miguel Sanchez Paywalled Fivey

 

[Donkers]

Imagine having a ruck that could give your mids a chance at getting their hands on the ball first.

Whilst the ruck situation is very poor, a large part of the reason why our young mids can't get their hands on the ball at stoppage is strength, running power and experience. People need to remember that Harley and Hewett are only in their second and third AFL seasons and just aren't fit enough yet.

That Harley & Hewett have done so well in the clearances in a few games shows what they can be in the future and just how far ahead of the curve they already are. They just aren't physically there yet.

 

[Mop]

Flynn's biggest weakness aside from his ruckwork is his small tank. When he's gassed he goes to ground and can't get up.

Williams biggest upside is his athleticism and tank.

We've got bulk cap room. Pay Flynn out if we have a bigger fish on the hook. Keep him as a WAFL ruck, either way he isn't it.

 

[Natho]

How dare any of you wish to trade Jack Williams